How cutting Zach Miller & going TE in R1 could help Seattle

Shane Falco":3mjflc5p said:

Could be the thing to do with Miller. I'm all in favor of only spending the big money on the true irreplaceable star players, which also means being against paying a superstar contract to Tate. The only thing I worry about is moving guys before having a proven replacement - that can be troublesome - both in losing them or overpaying them.

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drrew":1am33ih5 said:

If Tate got a Cruz type contract (8yr $43m...which I think would be high) the cap number in year one was only $2.5m. I don't know that the Hawks would necessarily want to structure things like that, but there's ways to get both Tate and Bennett signed for relatively little hit on the cap year one. Cruz's cap jumps to $7.5m, then $8m, then $10m, so that's not ideal for Seattle knowing Wilson and Sherman deals are on the way, but it's an option.

What I think happens is that they cut Rice ($7.3m in cap savings) Clemons ($7.5m) Miller ($5m). Breno is not coming back at his current 4.75m cap, and Marshawns cap number drops by $1.5m next year. That's north of $25m.

Assuming Thomas, Sherman, and Wilson aren't looking to completely smash previous salary records, I think the Hawks are in pretty good cap shape.

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SDHawk":3qgjp9su said:

drrew":3qgjp9su said:

If Tate got a Cruz type contract (8yr $43m...which I think would be high) the cap number in year one was only $2.5m. I don't know that the Hawks would necessarily want to structure things like that, but there's ways to get both Tate and Bennett signed for relatively little hit on the cap year one. Cruz's cap jumps to $7.5m, then $8m, then $10m, so that's not ideal for Seattle knowing Wilson and Sherman deals are on the way, but it's an option.

What I think happens is that they cut Rice ($7.3m in cap savings) Clemons ($7.5m) Miller ($5m). Breno is not coming back at his current 4.75m cap, and Marshawns cap number drops by $1.5m next year. That's north of $25m.

Assuming Thomas, Sherman, and Wilson aren't looking to completely smash previous salary records, I think the Hawks are in pretty good cap shape.

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This.

Breno, McQ, Rice, Clem are all gone and I'm not convinced that we'll bring back WT3.

Avril's contract comes off the books after next season so that creates more wiggle room.

Not saying that yours isn't a good idea, just don't think it's necessary.

If I could have it my way, I would keep Zach and pull the trigger on Lyerla in the 7th Rd or try him out as a UDFA.

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HawkWow":23263nk0 said:

I do think that Miller's contract should be reworked if possible, but cutting him and drafting another TE is too reminiscent of cutting Julian Peterson and drafting Aaron Curry. Not sure it would provide an immediate upgrade in 2014, apart from some cap savings. I'd rather see more dramatic upgrades at OG / OT / big WR...

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E.C. Laloosh":3dkyvoyr said:

Shane Falco":3dkyvoyr said:

Could be the thing to do with Miller. I'm all in favor of only spending the big money on the true irreplaceable star players, which also means being against paying a superstar contract to Tate. The only thing I worry about is moving guys before having a proven replacement - that can be troublesome - both in losing them or overpaying them.

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Tate said something interesting when interviewed on Brock & Danny. Mentioned how patient the organization was with him. He basically owned up to producing squat in his first year and seemed genuinely thankful that they didn't give up on him after a less than amazing year two.

http://mynorthwest.com/category/pod_pla ... 932&p=3&n=

Makes me wonder (which I usually never do) if he'd be more open to a little less money in order to benefit the team.

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WestcoastSteve":1yrjkmry said:

HawkWow":1yrjkmry said:

I do think that Miller's contract should be reworked if possible, but cutting him and drafting another TE is too reminiscent of cutting Julian Peterson and drafting Aaron Curry. Not sure it would provide an immediate upgrade in 2014, apart from some cap savings. I'd rather see more dramatic upgrades at OG / OT / big WR...

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I don't think it's fair to compare Miller to ASJ to Peterson vs. Curry.

The HAwks didn't save a lot of money going from Peterson to Curry, they would save a lot of money going from Miller to ASJ.

I personally don't think ASJ will be a great pro, I don't think his drive or fire matches his talent but he could easily prove me wrong.

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bbsplitter":3do1kkxr said:

To say that players will simply leave for more money is not taking into account all the factors. They are competitive, so it's not like its in Golden Tate's makeup to go to catch passes from Ponder for a year to sit out the playoffs year after year simply for more money when he has a good relationship with a championship team.

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Attyla the Hawk":1eaxkb6l said:

bbsplitter":1eaxkb6l said:

To say that players will simply leave for more money is not taking into account all the factors. They are competitive, so it's not like its in Golden Tate's makeup to go to catch passes from Ponder for a year to sit out the playoffs year after year simply for more money when he has a good relationship with a championship team.

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That's spiking your argument. He could take Snyder's money and catch passes from RG3. Or Jerruh's money and take passes from Romo. And I'm pretty sure in either case, he'd be a 1000 yd/season receiver in either location. He could be a 75-90 catch guy in either offense. And those two teams are going to have a windfall of UFA cash available to them this offseason.

The simple fact is, if you are a receiver for the Seahawks, your potential NFL productivity will be halved the moment you sign a contract here. Receivers don't get the plays in Seattle like they do everywhere else. And their ability to earn on the open market is abnormally retarded by the nature of our offense. If Tate resigns here, he may as well kiss a productive 3rd contract goodbye. Because he will be sealing a 400-700 yard/season average for his career. Receivers that hit their late 20s with those numbers end up playing for the league minimums and trying to be the 4th receivers on a roster.

Resigning here could cost him upwards of 3 million per season in his 6th through 12th seasons (if he plays that long). It's a HUGE financial hit for him to stay. And you're trivializing that if you think that his only option is to play for an NFL purgatory type losing franchise. There are a lot of bubble teams with robust passing attacks who would love to have Tate. And they'd be well positioned to make him a star.

Were I his agent, I'd make him keenly aware of what he'd be giving up by staying here. From a purely logical standpoint from Tate's perspective -- it should require that Seattle pays a vast premium to keep him. Because this offense is going to cost him dollars down the road. And he's never going to get the recognition for his talents working in this offense either. Tate is already giving up glory and long term earning potential by staying.

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Attyla the Hawk":570wacz9 said:

bbsplitter":570wacz9 said:

To say that players will simply leave for more money is not taking into account all the factors. They are competitive, so it's not like its in Golden Tate's makeup to go to catch passes from Ponder for a year to sit out the playoffs year after year simply for more money when he has a good relationship with a championship team.

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That's spiking your argument. He could take Snyder's money and catch passes from RG3. Or Jerruh's money and take passes from Romo. And I'm pretty sure in either case, he'd be a 1000 yd/season receiver in either location. He could be a 75-90 catch guy in either offense. And those two teams are going to have a windfall of UFA cash available to them this offseason.

The simple fact is, if you are a receiver for the Seahawks, your potential NFL productivity will be halved the moment you sign a contract here. Receivers don't get the plays in Seattle like they do everywhere else. And their ability to earn on the open market is abnormally retarded by the nature of our offense. If Tate resigns here, he may as well kiss a productive 3rd contract goodbye. Because he will be sealing a 400-700 yard/season average for his career. Receivers that hit their late 20s with those numbers end up playing for the league minimums and trying to be the 4th receivers on a roster.

Resigning here could cost him upwards of 3 million per season in his 6th through 12th seasons (if he plays that long). It's a HUGE financial hit for him to stay. And you're trivializing that if you think that his only option is to play for an NFL purgatory type losing franchise. There are a lot of bubble teams with robust passing attacks who would love to have Tate. And they'd be well positioned to make him a star.

Were I his agent, I'd make him keenly aware of what he'd be giving up by staying here. From a purely logical standpoint from Tate's perspective -- it should require that Seattle pays a vast premium to keep him. Because this offense is going to cost him dollars down the road. And he's never going to get the recognition for his talents working in this offense either. Tate is already giving up glory and long term earning potential by staying.

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