hawksincebirth wrote:
So Russell has leverage but marshawn doesn't ? I thought its next man up. Hey we got t jack and bj Daniels right ??
dontbelikethat wrote:Cano to M's, Peterson to UW...crazy day
dopeboy206 wrote:dontbelikethat wrote:Cano to M's, Peterson to UW...crazy day
I might just hop back on the m's bandwagon lol
Cartire wrote:I'm just glad we decided to start spending money finally. In a non-salary cap sport, it's proven that you buy championships.
chris98251 wrote:Cartire wrote:I'm just glad we decided to start spending money finally. In a non-salary cap sport, it's proven that you buy championships.
We have spent money here before, Jim McElvane, Benoit Benjiman, Adrián Beltré , Jeff Cirillo, Chone Figgins, Richie Sexson, Heathcliff Slocumb, Richie Zisk, Érik Bédard ,
Yeah that buying championships worked out real well here in both basketball and baseball.
You build and scout well, Oakland has done it for years, they just don't keep the talent, add a FA here and there to support your roster and go. Texas and the Angels have done well using that method as well, not wholesale FA buying to supplement a roster built in the farm system.
CALIHAWK1 wrote:chris98251 wrote:Cartire wrote:I'm just glad we decided to start spending money finally. In a non-salary cap sport, it's proven that you buy championships.
We have spent money here before, Jim McElvane, Benoit Benjiman, Adrián Beltré , Jeff Cirillo, Chone Figgins, Richie Sexson, Heathcliff Slocumb, Richie Zisk, Érik Bédard ,
Yeah that buying championships worked out real well here in both basketball and baseball.
You build and scout well, Oakland has done it for years, they just don't keep the talent, add a FA here and there to support your roster and go. Texas and the Angels have done well using that method as well, not wholesale FA buying to supplement a roster built in the farm system.
I agree with some of what your saying but you have to start somewhere. Seattle much like Oakland has been unable to keep their homegrown talent. Signing Cano is a signal that they are willing to change the culture and start producing. Throwing a bunch of first and second year players with Inbanez isn't a recipe for success. Cano is a whale. Mariners only have a legit shot of landing a whale once in a blue moon. I like this move. If they can now pull off a trade for Kemp and I would say we are in the conversation to win west.
CALIHAWK1 wrote:chris98251 wrote:Cartire wrote:I'm just glad we decided to start spending money finally. In a non-salary cap sport, it's proven that you buy championships.
We have spent money here before, Jim McElvane, Benoit Benjiman, Adrián Beltré , Jeff Cirillo, Chone Figgins, Richie Sexson, Heathcliff Slocumb, Richie Zisk, Érik Bédard ,
Yeah that buying championships worked out real well here in both basketball and baseball.
You build and scout well, Oakland has done it for years, they just don't keep the talent, add a FA here and there to support your roster and go. Texas and the Angels have done well using that method as well, not wholesale FA buying to supplement a roster built in the farm system.
I agree with some of what your saying but you have to start somewhere. Seattle much like Oakland has been unable to keep their homegrown talent. Signing Cano is a signal that they are willing to change the culture and start producing. Throwing a bunch of first and second year players with Inbanez isn't a recipe for success. Cano is a whale. Mariners only have a legit shot of landing a whale once in a blue moon. I like this move. If they can now pull off a trade for Kemp and I would say we are in the conversation to win west.
jkitsune wrote:CALIHAWK1 wrote:chris98251 wrote:Cartire wrote:I'm just glad we decided to start spending money finally. In a non-salary cap sport, it's proven that you buy championships.
We have spent money here before, Jim McElvane, Benoit Benjiman, Adrián Beltré , Jeff Cirillo, Chone Figgins, Richie Sexson, Heathcliff Slocumb, Richie Zisk, Érik Bédard ,
Yeah that buying championships worked out real well here in both basketball and baseball.
You build and scout well, Oakland has done it for years, they just don't keep the talent, add a FA here and there to support your roster and go. Texas and the Angels have done well using that method as well, not wholesale FA buying to supplement a roster built in the farm system.
I agree with some of what your saying but you have to start somewhere. Seattle much like Oakland has been unable to keep their homegrown talent. Signing Cano is a signal that they are willing to change the culture and start producing. Throwing a bunch of first and second year players with Inbanez isn't a recipe for success. Cano is a whale. Mariners only have a legit shot of landing a whale once in a blue moon. I like this move. If they can now pull off a trade for Kemp and I would say we are in the conversation to win west.
Is it? Or is it a sign of the same culture that aches to throw its limited payroll at players irresponsibly in the hopes that a signing will somehow be transformative? I hope you're right, but after a decade of incompetence, I'm skeptical. This same FO is considering another Adam Jones-style trade for David Price.
m0ng0 wrote:WOW ! I gotta say I am kinda liking where things are going
HawkFan72 wrote:This contract will look terrible in 5 years, but who cares? The M's needed to do something like this. They now have an elite player to build around on Offense at a position where offense is hard to come by.
Cano will probably be traded when he's 35 or 36 in a salary dump. Until that time, the Mariners are unquestionably better.
At least the money won't just be wasted on guys like Ibanez, Morse, and Joe Saunders before the M's will call it a day.
akscoundrel wrote:
want to know the change I want to see? Developing players, and actually keeping them when them become really good!
akscoundrel wrote:HawkFan72 wrote:This contract will look terrible in 5 years, but who cares? The M's needed to do something like this. They now have an elite player to build around on Offense at a position where offense is hard to come by.
Cano will probably be traded when he's 35 or 36 in a salary dump. Until that time, the Mariners are unquestionably better.
At least the money won't just be wasted on guys like Ibanez, Morse, and Joe Saunders before the M's will call it a day.
Thats the biggie tho, in 5 years it'll be a 120 million 5 year dead weight ball and chain, stopping us from doing other things.
dopeboy206 wrote:dontbelikethat wrote:Cano to M's, Peterson to UW...crazy day
I might just hop back on the m's bandwagon lol
HawkFan72 wrote:akscoundrel wrote:HawkFan72 wrote:This contract will look terrible in 5 years, but who cares? The M's needed to do something like this. They now have an elite player to build around on Offense at a position where offense is hard to come by.
Cano will probably be traded when he's 35 or 36 in a salary dump. Until that time, the Mariners are unquestionably better.
At least the money won't just be wasted on guys like Ibanez, Morse, and Joe Saunders before the M's will call it a day.
Thats the biggie tho, in 5 years it'll be a 120 million 5 year dead weight ball and chain, stopping us from doing other things.
The Angels dumped Vernon Wells. The Tigers dumped Prince Fielder.
It's not as hard as you think.
m0ng0 wrote:name one piece of developing talent that we have lost by signing Cano?
akscoundrel wrote:m0ng0 wrote:name one piece of developing talent that we have lost by signing Cano?
Its only been how many minutes since we signed cano? And you're gonna ask this as if to prove a point? You could be right, and it all works out(I hope so), but looking back we will all probably be saying (well, the writing WAS on the wall).
I'm more so looking in the future when we can't sign the next arod because our budgets maxed.
akscoundrel wrote:m0ng0 wrote:name one piece of developing talent that we have lost by signing Cano?
Its only been how many minutes since we signed cano? And you're gonna ask this as if to prove a point? You could be right, and it all works out(I hope so), but looking back we will all probably be saying (well, the writing WAS on the wall).
I'm more so looking in the future when we can't sign the next arod because our budgets maxed.
HawkFan72 wrote:akscoundrel wrote:m0ng0 wrote:name one piece of developing talent that we have lost by signing Cano?
Its only been how many minutes since we signed cano? And you're gonna ask this as if to prove a point? You could be right, and it all works out(I hope so), but looking back we will all probably be saying (well, the writing WAS on the wall).
I'm more so looking in the future when we can't sign the next arod because our budgets maxed.
You think we have or will have the next ARod somewhere in our organization? lol
akscoundrel wrote:HawkFan72 wrote:akscoundrel wrote:m0ng0 wrote:name one piece of developing talent that we have lost by signing Cano?
Its only been how many minutes since we signed cano? And you're gonna ask this as if to prove a point? You could be right, and it all works out(I hope so), but looking back we will all probably be saying (well, the writing WAS on the wall).
I'm more so looking in the future when we can't sign the next arod because our budgets maxed.
You think we have or will have the next ARod somewhere in our organization? lol
Oh, so we're pretending that its never happened, nor can ever happen again?
HawkFan72 wrote:akscoundrel wrote:HawkFan72 wrote:akscoundrel wrote:
Its only been how many minutes since we signed cano? And you're gonna ask this as if to prove a point? You could be right, and it all works out(I hope so), but looking back we will all probably be saying (well, the writing WAS on the wall).
I'm more so looking in the future when we can't sign the next arod because our budgets maxed.
You think we have or will have the next ARod somewhere in our organization? lol
Oh, so we're pretending that its never happened, nor can ever happen again?
I'm not pretending it didn't happen, I'm just not going to assume we'll have someone with that much talent in our farm system again in the next 10 years.
The Mariners offered ARod near $100 million, which at the time was a gigantic contract. The Rangers just went insane. Think about it. They offered ARod a deal that is normal NOW for the games best stars...over 12 YEARS ago. They WAY overpayed. That would be like us giving Cano a $400 million contract today if you want to compare the situations.
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