Sark Headed to USC

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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:46 pm
  • ClumsyLurk wrote:
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    HawkWow wrote:Matt Leinert saying he loves the hire. "Sark taught (him) everything (he) knows".

    That makes me feeling much better about Sark's departure.


    Matt Leinart was one of the best college QB's of all-time. His pro career has nothing to do with that.

    Reggie Bush and the rest of them sucked though.


    Name his WR's.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:47 pm
  • ClumsyLurk wrote:
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    HawkWow wrote:Matt Leinert saying he loves the hire. "Sark taught (him) everything (he) knows".

    That makes me feeling much better about Sark's departure.


    Matt Leinart was one of the best college QB's of all-time. His pro career has nothing to do with that.

    Reggie Bush and the rest of them sucked though.


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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:48 pm
  • So does this mean our gimmick offense is most likely a short lived, one year, deviation.

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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:49 pm
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    USChawk wrote:Matt Leinert saying he loves the hire. "Sark taught (him) everything (he) knows".

    That makes me feeling much better about Sark's departure.

    I say with throw a bundle at Pinkel and his staff. Sark was never going to bring discipline to this team. I'm more surprised USC wants his gimmicky BS than I am with him taking the job. Now he cleans house too? Good. The last thing we need at U-Dub is coaches that don't want to be at UDub. I will personally be boycotting our (lower) bowl game if that biotch will be on the sidelines.

    Some have expressed concerns about the program now being viewed as some "stepping stone". This is an isolated instance where a coach accepted a job in his homeland and at a program he once coached. Not to mention, perhaps the most storied program in the history of college football. UDub is no stepping stone and I'm surprised by the (knee-jerk) reaction to this (not all bad) news.

    I like Pete but never wanted Sark, or the stench of USC, he brought with him to the Dub. Good riddance punkass. He's Kiffin II and I look forward to USC becoming UO wanna' be south. USC alumni will tire of his inability to discipline players and his passive demeanor in a big hurry. His first step should be to hire Leinert as his QB coach.

    All of this seems pretty unnecessary but I guess that is what internet message boards are all about.

    Seems pretty ungrateful considering UW had won 12 games in 5 seasons before Sark got there. But college football is the ultimate what have you done for me lately sport so I understand.

    It used to be we love Sark. Now Sark is Kiffin II. LOL.

    If you watched Leinart at USC then you wouldn't be so quick to disparage him or his opinion. He was never a good pro, would never work like a Russ Wilson, but you can't say anything bad about the guy's college career.



    Point to a post where I ever said "I loved Sark", or your post is bullsh*t.

    I watched every minute of Leinert's career. If he was QBing this big turnaround of a team that you credit Sark with, his numbers wouldn't have been better than Price's. Maybe I should be Grateful for Sark's hiring of Holt, too. He's your boy. Enjoy losing to UO every year.


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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:51 pm
  • Hasselbeck wrote:
    ClumsyLurk wrote:
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    HawkWow wrote:Matt Leinert saying he loves the hire. "Sark taught (him) everything (he) knows".

    That makes me feeling much better about Sark's departure.


    Matt Leinart was one of the best college QB's of all-time. His pro career has nothing to do with that.

    Reggie Bush and the rest of them sucked though.


    Name his WR's.


    Smith and Byrd were 2, add Lendale White to the mix...how many TDs did White and Bush run for during Leinert's Heisman run? Oh, USC's D sucked too, right?
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:52 pm
  • Hasselbeck wrote:
    ClumsyLurk wrote:
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    HawkWow wrote:Matt Leinert saying he loves the hire. "Sark taught (him) everything (he) knows".

    That makes me feeling much better about Sark's departure.


    Matt Leinart was one of the best college QB's of all-time. His pro career has nothing to do with that.

    Reggie Bush and the rest of them sucked though.


    Name his WR's.

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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:52 pm
  • Hasselbeck wrote:
    ClumsyLurk wrote:
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    HawkWow wrote:Matt Leinert saying he loves the hire. "Sark taught (him) everything (he) knows".

    That makes me feeling much better about Sark's departure.


    Matt Leinart was one of the best college QB's of all-time. His pro career has nothing to do with that.

    Reggie Bush and the rest of them sucked though.


    Name his WR's.


    Dwayne Jarrett? Mike Williams?

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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:53 pm
  • Mora's return is so overdue, GET IT DONE WOODWARD. At the very least petersen
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:53 pm
  • Why the anger?

    Good question.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:54 pm
  • I've said what I had to say. Not about to sit here talking up USC football.

    Great program that, IMO, made a big mistake today. Time will tell. Go Dawgs.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:58 pm
  • USChawk wrote:Why the anger?

    Good question.


    Edited for masked words, sorry no no.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:01 pm
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    Dwayne Jarrett? Mike Williams?

    I guess I'm proving your point for you, huh?


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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:01 pm
  • HawkWow wrote:
    Chapow wrote:
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    Say what you will about Leinart as a pro, but he was a terrific college QB. It's not really Sark's fault that he lacked an NFL arm.


    Leinert was more than weak armed, he also lacked discipline. I'm seeing a trend.


    He didn't lack a Heisman trophy or a National Championship though.


    Then I underestimate him. All this time I thought he had a pretty good team around him. Neither the Heisman, or the Natty, are (in reality) individual awards.


    Point to a post where anyone ever said that he didn't have a pretty good team around him or your post is bullshit.
    Believe it or not, it's possible to be a very good college QB even if you have a very good team around you.

    And you are wrong, the Heisman is, in fact, an individual award.

    The Heisman Memorial Trophy Award, is awarded annually to the person deemed the most outstanding player in collegiate football.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:03 pm
  • Dwayne Jarrett? Mike Williams?

    What did they do in the pros? They must be terrible and their opinions meaningless. LOL.

    It's cool HawkWow, we all get fired up for our college teams/alma maters.

    You could be right that USC made a big mistake and time will tell. I'm not big on the hire but the only person I would of got really geeked about was Gruden which of course was a pipe dream.

    I don't think Kiffin was a terrible coach as much as just a corpse as a personality. I'll never figure out how he was so good at recruiting, when did the sales pitch end and the corpse take over? The players didn't get inspired by him and weren't having fun thus they didn't put forth the effort on the field. If Sark can recruit and get the kids up for games then SC should be fine.

    But again who knows? That's why we sit here and debate on internet message boards instead of doing our jobs.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:05 pm
  • HawkWow wrote:Smith and Byrd were 2, add Lendale White to the mix...how many TDs did White and Bush run for during Leinert's Heisman run? Oh, USC's D sucked too, right?


    Wow. Steve Smith, Dominique Byrd and Lendale White. Amazing group of talent there.

    Matt Leinart was a special QB in college. You know who else was? Tim Tebow and Vince Young. They were all terrible in the pros but that doesn't lessen their college careers.

    Now if Matt Leinart came out and commented about some pro coach teaching him things.. thats one thing. But its hilarious to bash Sark, when you have a lot better examples, listing the comment his college QB at USC made while they won 2 titles in 3 years.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:08 pm
  • Speaking of "stepping stone" with the exception of Barkley, that's what USC is for QBs. QBs that get exposed like chumps at the next level after "stepping" away early and losing the all star cast that once supported them.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:08 pm
  • HawkWow wrote:
    USChawk wrote:Why the anger?

    Good question.


    Edited for masked words, sorry thats a no no.

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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:11 pm
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    HawkWow wrote:Smith and Byrd were 2, add Lendale White to the mix...how many TDs did White and Bush run for during Leinert's Heisman run? Oh, USC's D sucked too, right?


    Wow. Steve Smith, Dominique Byrd and Lendale White. Amazing group of talent there.

    Matt Leinart was a special QB in college. You know who else was? Tim Tebow and Vince Young. They were all terrible in the pros but that doesn't lessen their college careers.

    Now if Matt Leinart came out and commented about some pro coach teaching him things.. thats one thing. But its hilarious to bash Sark, when you have a lot better examples, listing the comment his college QB at USC made while they won 2 titles in 3 years.



    You talk about him like he was a non-factor, LOL, How many TDs did White give USC? I'll wait for you to look it up. Wipe the egg from your face before formulating your next reply. Take away Bush and White and USC is in the Holiday bowl with Leinert.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:17 pm
  • Good. He can "go home" where he can " win championships"

    Jim mora where are you?
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:19 pm
  • This thread has gotten really silly really fast. Sark's gone. Some are happy, some are sad. UW could be better off for it, it could be worse for it. Regardless of if Sark leaving is a good thing, the program's a lot better off now than when he got there, and I appreciate that. We couldn't say that for Gilbertson or Willingham, and arguably not for Neuheisel either.

    What's most important now is that they hire the right guy.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:24 pm
  • HawkWow wrote:
    USChawk wrote:Why the anger?

    Good question.


    Edited for masked words, sorry thats a no no.


    HawkWow wins the thread.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:25 pm
  • I actually think this is a good thing for UW, but it's still great watching some posters have a meltdown.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:27 pm
  • HawkWow wrote:
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    HawkWow wrote:Smith and Byrd were 2, add Lendale White to the mix...how many TDs did White and Bush run for during Leinert's Heisman run? Oh, USC's D sucked too, right?


    Wow. Steve Smith, Dominique Byrd and Lendale White. Amazing group of talent there.

    Matt Leinart was a special QB in college. You know who else was? Tim Tebow and Vince Young. They were all terrible in the pros but that doesn't lessen their college careers.

    Now if Matt Leinart came out and commented about some pro coach teaching him things.. thats one thing. But its hilarious to bash Sark, when you have a lot better examples, listing the comment his college QB at USC made while they won 2 titles in 3 years.



    You talk about him like he was a non-factor, LOL, How many TDs did White give USC? I'll wait for you to look it up. Wipe the egg from your face before formulating your next reply. Take away Bush and White and USC is in the Holiday bowl with Leinert.


    Oh I see.. so now college performance matters again. Thought we were basing their talent off of what they did in the NFL. Neat.

    :th2thumbs:

    To recap Hawkwow in this thread..
    - Sark to USC is bad and Matt Leinart's praise justifies it because he sucked in the NFL.
    - Then suddenly Leinart was carried by NFL talent
    - That "NFL Talent" is named, and then Hawkwow goes back to college stats.

    Btw.. Leinart's numbers were so bad in college under Sark: http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pla ... art-1.html
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:36 pm
  • HawkWow wrote:Matt Leinert saying he loves the hire. "Sark taught (him) everything (he) knows".

    That makes me feeling much better about Sark's departure.


    SMH.

    It's kind of annoying how most of the Sark detractors are forced to use one-liners straight out of talk radio to justify their position.

    I choose to hate Sark because he's a traitor, not because he was a failure as a coach.

    HawkWow wrote:Edited for masked words, sorry thats a no no.

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    On the other hand, this was just an awesome quote.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:38 pm
  • I just hope that whoever the new coach is for UW he has the ability and staff to not only recruit talented linemen, both offensive and defensive, but to develop them throughout their stay in school. I'm so sick of watching the Huskies get dominated at the line of scrimmage time and again.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:42 pm
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    kearly wrote:I admit I know nothing about the guy, but from what I'm reading in here, Ogeron sounds like a guy worth interviewing.


    Would be a pretty terrible hire IMO. Orgeron is a monster recruiter but as an X's and O's guy he lacks a lot. His tenure at Ole Miss was a train wreck.

    Now, he could very well have learned a lot from his first mess and is a born again coach as a result of it. After all Pete Carroll had the same thing. But Carroll also never had the tenure Orgeron did at Ole Miss either.

    If Washington's new HC were to pluck Orgeron and place him on his staff though - that'd be a major coup.


    Not saying you are wrong, but USC played much better after Ogeron took over. I'm guessing part of that could be the players responding to a coaching change, but it wasn't like USC was barely losing with Kiffin and then barely winning with Ogeron. They were totally different team after Ogeron took over, night and day. If he's as bad an X's and O's guy as people suggest, he must be the greatest motivator of all time.

    I was one of the very, very first on the Kiffin sucks bandwagon, and even I don't think Kiffin sucks that much to make a below average coach look like a coach of the year candidate.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:50 pm
  • James Franklin anyone?
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:52 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:You guys should go after Helfrich. :)


    Enjoy the Ducks beating on the Huskies while you can....it won't last. I remember from the late 70s thru early 90s when Ducks could maybe score 10 points in 2 years against the Huskies. The years the when the Ducks thought going to a bowl game meant heading to the bathroom toilet.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:53 pm
  • I keep forgetting to mention this, but there is one major factor behind this move that no one is talking about but they should be.

    UW is in for a pretty steep decline next year. I am totally stone cold serious when I say that even Colorado and Cal have some young talent at QB. Miles doesn't even meet that standard, and for all we know he could be the best of our three QBs. Even if I'm wrong and Miles is a solid QB, solid is a pretty big step down from the record setting production Price has given us the last 3 years. In addition to that we are basically losing our core to the NFL. Not just Price, but likely Sankey, ASJ, Smith, Parker, possibly Shelton and several other major defensive players.

    Even with a weak OOC schedule, it's going to be tough to get next year's Husky team to 8 or 9 wins. Sure, they are a lock to start 4-0, but they were 4-0 this year and basically went .500 in a brutal Pac-12 with a far more talented team. It might have taken Sark a few years to recover from losing Price, the same way that Romar is in a slump right now after he lost those two major recruits to the NBA. I could definitely see him getting fired a few years out, and so I think the premature calls for his job gave him that same "escape a burning building" mentality that Pete had at USC when he came to Seattle.

    Wasn't Sark 4-0 when Kiffin got fired? Not that I know, but I truly believe Sark was asked and said "no" to USC that week. But after the last half of the season, I think the tone changed, and in retrospect, his leaving for USC makes a lot of sense.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:59 pm
  • Man I hope it isn't our former OC, current OC for Alabama..........that would bum me out.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:03 pm
  • Is Nussmeier the OC in Alabama? He would be nice because at least the focus would be on the right areas - OL/DL. That's what is missing. Price stinks. He's cost the Huskies so many games, it's ridiculous. Wilcox isn't a great loss, IMO. The defense was better but still could have been better (more consistent).

    Side note: Duck fans are quacking about how good they are. What happened against Arizona? The Huskies beat them. The Pac-12 have a host of mediocre teams and Oregon/Stanford are starting to come back to that too.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:03 pm
  • Finally, somebody in the local media GETS IT:

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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:54 pm
  • I think the Huskies have found their man:

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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:12 pm
  • JSeahawks wrote:I think the Huskies have found their man:

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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:21 pm
  • Just to add to the rumor mill, John Gruden is in town tonight...
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:16 pm
  • word is mora to UW. Just a rumor. Source is he's meeting with Woodward tonight
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:46 pm
  • I'm honestly surprised at how badly I want Mora
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:10 pm
  • I'm disappointed Sark left, because he effusively talked about how long he wanted to stay here, more so than a guy just providing lip service. However, I hope he does well down at SC, he's a good guy, and I think SC is a good fit for him. College football is better when SC is legit and I hope he takes them back to the level of winning pac 12 titles. I really doubt he ever wins a natty though.

    I think the list begins with Mora, its a call you have to make and you have to be ready to spend the money to buy out the contract and pay for the staff he'll want to bring, which are all seasoned, expensive, quality guys. I don't think he leaves UCLA though. I think he'd do well at UW though, his weird combination of oversensitivity and toughness will work in Seattle.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:16 pm
  • feldman now conflicting the sportsboner and collegefootballscoop reports. Says according to a source he's in calif. recruiting.
    This is crazy
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:31 pm
  • Looking back when Mora was our coach....

    I was a Husky fan -- that'd put me off big time.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:37 pm
  • davidonmi wrote:feldman now conflicting the sportsboner and collegefootballscoop reports. Says according to a source he's in calif. recruiting.
    This is crazy

    Somebody named "SportsBoner" is putting out conflicting/untrue info? Well, I am just shocked.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:06 pm
  • Good, Sark has been underachieving the last couple of years & he was getting on my nerves.

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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:46 pm
  • Man I don't know, but I just have a feeling that this is gonna set Washington back more than it will help.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:47 pm
  • I think this is a bit of an overreaction. There is a chance to be better without Sark.
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:48 am
  • Most of those skill players from the best USC teams under Pete weren't so great at the next level. Smith had a very solid career until he trashed his knee. Reggie has had a good career, though never to the level of expectations people had when he was drafted. Byrd didn't make it long. Williams flamed out other than his couple years in Seattle. LenDale had a couple decent years and then disappeared. Dwayne Jarrett never did a thing at the next level. Colbert is a far better coach than he was an NFL receiver. Justin Fargas had a good career until his body broke down.

    They were great in college because Pete made them a team and brought out the best in them. Leinart (not Leinert) was the leader of that team and helped bring them all together. He had a fantastic career in college that should not be denigrated based on his lack of NFL success.

    I have no idea how Sark will do as USC's head coach. It does feel a bit like Kiffin 2.0, but there are also differences. Sark has had more success as a HC (don't forget just how low the Huskies had gotten before he arrived). He is more mature and handles the media far better. He has a more outgoing personality that college kids respond to well. He also was originally being groomed by Pete as the likely successor for when Pete eventually retired. UW changed all that.

    Sark is from L.A. He actually originally went to USC to play baseball and ended up transferring out to play at BYU and be coached by Norm Chow. He's had three stints as offensive assistant, QB coach and then OC at USC under Pete. He truly is going home. And for those who are angry about it, he quite possibly could have left UW after one year to replace Pete. He didn't. He stayed for his initial 2-year contract plus two more years.

    Losing Ed O. hurts. He was at USC before Pete and has been a HUGE part of our recruiting success during his two stints as recruiting coordinator and DL coach. Though he is from LA, not L.A., and is a Miami alum, he loves USC as much as anyone. He recently said he'd wanted to coach at USC since he was six years old. I understand why he's hurt, and he obviously has gotten the itch to be a HC again. Unfortunately, that wasn't going to happen at USC. But he will always be a Trojan. As they say, you're a Bruin for four years but a Trojan for life!

    Hopefully this will work out for all parties in the end, including UW. Time will tell.

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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:45 am
  • NEWS IS BREAKING, only one rumor but it says Mora to UW
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:54 am
  • davidonmi wrote:NEWS IS BREAKING, only one rumor but it says Mora to UW


    Hope its true...
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:55 am
  • SOURCE is the associate AD from UCLA. Here we go
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:00 am
  • I think i'm following the wrong people on twitter, I'm not seeing nothing
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Re: Sark Headed to USC
Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:13 am
  • So was listening to the Herd this morning and he had a sports writer from California on today (sorry no clue what his name was). They talked about the hire and the writer made an interesting point.

    He said that PC had all his coordinators mock interview every year. He said PC thought part of his job was to put his coordinators in better jobs at all times. He was therefore not surprised that Sark came in and nailed it with the USC guys as he had mock interviewed for that exact job multiple times over.

    You can take away from it what you want but it told me that when others try to hold back coordinators (read 49ers that didn't let some interview this year) PC believes that people should always aspire and his job is to mentor them to succed.

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