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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:12 pm
  • Dtowers wrote:
    Scottemojo wrote:Go look up Megatron's rookie numbers. They are pretty low.

    Josh Gordon is exactly what Pete tried to get with Jackson and Marshall, though their respective clubs ended up wanting too much. Yes he is one strike from suspension. It is a factor, and would dramatically affect compensation, and any contract he signs would have clauses.

    Whether anyone likes him or not, he is the player prototype Pete is looking for, and has been looking for.



    Not that I disagree with you, but if this is the case, why didn't the Seahawks put a claim on him in the supp. draft? Yes, he went for a high 2nd, but I don't believe anyone else put a claim in on him.


    There was talk at the time that Seattle might put a 2nd or 3rd round claim on him. It didn't matter once the Browns put in their 2nd round claim. It doesn't mean no other teams put claims on him, the Browns just had the highest claim.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:13 pm
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:15 pm
  • I know. Any Niner fan should be begging Baalke to do this, it isn't like the Niners need the picks next year.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:18 pm
  • Man it would help for sure. We dont have crap now. Boldin No #1 vernon not enough. Mario #3 at best when healthy and Crabtree who know how he will come back.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:22 pm
  • rlkats wrote:Man it would help for sure. We dont have crap now. Boldin No #1 vernon not enough. Mario #3 at best when healthy and Crabtree who know how he will come back.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't want that to happen...I like the Niners just the way they are
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:23 pm
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    rlkats wrote:Man it would help for sure. We dont have crap now. Boldin No #1 vernon not enough. Mario #3 at best when healthy and Crabtree who know how he will come back.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't want that to happen...I like the Niners just the way they are



    LOL im sure you do. We have to at least make it interesting HAHA. God would be nice
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:30 pm
  • What I like about him: big target, unafraid of the middle of the field, above-average YAC ability, hard to tackle.

    What I'm "meh" on: all the catches on his reel are pretty pedestrian (everything he caught was thrown near his body, no high pointing, no leaping grabs, no toe-tapping, etc.) There isn't a single catch on his tape where he actually made a play on the ball. This probably accounts for his low catch-rate / yards per target ratio. Compare this to catches that even guys like Kearse/Williams were making in the pre-season.

    I do agree that he's a talent and that he fits the Mike Williams mold that Pete's always been after. My main point is that I question how much our offense will utilize him given i's offensive identity and Russell's reluctance to toss it around. Bevell had very little use for Mike Williams in his play-action/deep pass offense. I don't think we get as much value out of the player as other teams would.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:38 pm
  • I don't think the Browns are in a real hurry, they will with out doubt build up the desperation of teams like the Pats and Niners, where they are almost forced to make a deal.

    Browns want draft choices and plenty of them me thinks.

    Maybe we can lend them JS for some drafting tips as a trade concession.

    oh, and I'd rather not see him on the 49ers, like someone said, like the 9ers the way they are and will like them even better at 1-4
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:44 pm
  • rlkats wrote:Question I must be in a hole but i admit I do not know much about Gordon. IF and big IF how would he fit in my Niners system. We a desperate for a #1 WR can he be that if he grows up???

    That's my question also. It isn't like Harvin won't be back between 3-7 weeks and him alone will transform the offense given the players around him and more importantly, the quarterback at the controls going forward for years forward? A quarterback rating of 109ish while basically sucking half the time? Really? Seriously?

    The NFL isn't MLB there's a real salary cap and harsh roster limitations, we can't have every good player similar to elite baseball teams. At some point the 49ers will have the opportunity to get that good WR if they're willing to pay the seller's price.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:35 am
  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote:Why are we always worried about niners picking up our scraps? Our 5th guy is their first or second best option?


    Williams is a 27 year old UFA who is coming off of a concussion and hasn't caught a regular season pass three seasons seasons. All fans of course over-value the folks at the bottom of their bench who looked good against players who aren't playing in the NFL in the pre-season, but Williams makes Jon Baldwin, Kyle Williams, Quinton Patton and even Marlon Moore look like studs in comparison.

    Don't think anyone needs to worry about cutting the guy.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:56 pm
  • Scottemojo wrote:Go look up Megatron's rookie numbers. They are pretty low.

    Josh Gordon is exactly what Pete tried to get with Jackson and Marshall, though their respective clubs ended up wanting too much. Yes he is one strike from suspension. It is a factor, and would dramatically affect compensation, and any contract he signs would have clauses.

    Whether anyone likes him or not, he is the player prototype Pete is looking for, and has been looking for.


    Good comps. AJ Green is the guy he reminds me of. Very similar body type, hands, strength/toughness, and knack for earning targets. Like Green, his game seems "bland" to the untrained eye, but you watch him closely and you see that play after play after play he's proving to be too much to handle for defensive backs.

    The only reason Lombardi is shopping this guy is because he will do whatever it takes to get Johnny Football. 1 strike or no, there is no sane reason to trade a talent like Gordon (unless there is something scary they know that we don't).

    It makes me incredibly nervous knowing that Gordon is out there for the taking. I don't think much of Baalke, but he would have to be a complete idiot not to roll the dice on Gordon.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:43 pm
  • I would give up the 32nd pick for him right now.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:11 pm
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    themunn wrote:And yet we traded our first round pick for a WR when we had Tate, Rice and Baldwin and spent our second on a running back when we have Lynch and Turbin.


    2 of our starting O-Linemen were picked up midseason off waivers, another was an undrafted free agent.

    Gordon had more yards last season than any Seattle WR has had in the last 4 years - as a rookie playing for the Browns.


    Again, he got twice as many targets as Rice and barely surpassed him in overall yards. Gordon's catch rate according to Football Outsiders last year was 53%. Rice's was 62%; Tate was at 69%. We traded a #1 for Harvin because he's a dynamic and unique player in this league. He has value as a receiver, runner and returner. I think Gordon is a good player, but he's not a unique one.

    2012 FO Adjusted WR rankings: Rice #14, Tate #19, Gordon #51.


    FO say themselves on the rankings page, "We cannot yet fully separate the performance of a receiver from the performance of his quarterback. Be aware that one will affect the other."
    So unless you want to say Brandon Weeden (who was ranked below all but the following QBs in 2012: Sanchez, Lindley, Skelton, Quinn Cassell), is equal to Russell Wilson, of course his DYOA will be lower.
    And furthermore, defenses didn't have to account for the 2nd ranked RB in the league in Lynch, Richardson was the 37th of 42 RBs with over 100 carries.

    Not to mention the fact that he didn't play in 2011 and essentially was 2 years out of football last year.

    If Gordon didn't have the off-field problems every single team in the league would give up a 1st for him
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:37 pm
  • Scottemojo wrote:I would give up the 32nd pick for him right now.


    I would as well. If he goes for a 2nd or a 3rd, a lot of GMs are going to be kicking themselves shortly thereafter.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:40 pm
  • What happens when he gets dinged again though and is out for a year?
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:37 pm
  • hawker84 wrote:with kearse and williams waiting in the wings, we don't need any more recievers IMO... we need linemen on both sides of the ball...


    Williams is gone, claimed by jags.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:40 pm
  • kearly wrote:The only reason Lombardi is shopping this guy is because he will do whatever it takes to get Johnny Football.


    Supposedly it's not just the suspension thing. He's also lazy in practice, and the Browns don't think he has even remotely learned his lesson since the suspension (was still out partying all the time even after he got busted).

    I guess it kinda makes sense, considering they got him for 2nd rounder, he has looked all-world on the field, and they still can't get a 2nd rounder back for him. Definitely more going on, IMO.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:57 pm
  • Our second for him and their 3rd! Let do it! (If Pete and John are okay with it I'm on board-not likely.)

    No way Seattle bites on that, I like Gordon's game but I agree something else is going on with him. Titus Young type of head case.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:08 pm
  • Good heavens, that guy loves to burn linebackers on crossing routes. Wilson would love throwing to that.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:10 pm
  • Hawks should take the chance... Just sayin' maybe try to sweeten the deal a little more due to his league issues.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:53 pm
  • TBH, also probably worth saying that all of this is probably much ado about nothing anyway.

    All of these "new" reports about the Browns wanting a 2nd rounder for Gordon are old news from mid-September that finally got leaked.

    Richardson was traded and teams were talking to the Browns about Gordon when the Browns were 0-2.

    The Browns are now 3-2. IMO they could have traded him then, but they'd get too much blowback from the fanbase now that they've won three straight since he has been back and are in second place in the division. I'd be shocked if they were actually still trying to move him right now.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:15 pm
  • Hmmmmm would you rather have a guy with some issues that is a proven playmaker, or another James Carpenter, John Moffitt type pick? That's how i'm looking at it, so I say GET HIM BEFORE THE NINERS DO
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:49 am
  • This is our best shot at winning the Superbowl this franchise has ever had. We need to do everything possible to increase our chances of winning and trading for Gordon would do it.

    Sidney Rice has been abysmal and Josh Gordon would be great to take his spot. Gordon carries a risk but the rewards are far greater for us especially this year. This NEEDS to happen. We need a #1 WR that wilson can throw to all day if he's on man coverage.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:24 am
  • I'll take Tony G from the Falcons over Gordon on a short contract. After last night I'm guessing he may want out of ATL. Plus, he'd require less compensation in a trade.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:47 am
  • It's pretty obvious the Browns have intentionally leaked what they want for him to the media. They have no reason to trade him and yet they still don't want him. If any of the 32 GMs in the NFL think he's worth a 2nd, then he'll be had for a 2nd. I think he's a good player, but I think people on this forum are overrating him. We'll see who the GMs of the league agree with.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:29 pm
  • DavidSeven wrote:It's pretty obvious the Browns have intentionally leaked what they want for him to the media. They have no reason to trade him and yet they still don't want him. If any of the 32 GMs in the NFL think he's worth a 2nd, then he'll be had for a 2nd. I think he's a good player, but I think people on this forum are overrating him. We'll see who the GMs of the league agree with.


    It just means he might be available for even less if the Browns are determined to move him.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:39 am
  • would trade so much for this dude.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:45 am
  • DavidSeven wrote:It's pretty obvious the Browns have intentionally leaked what they want for him to the media.


    Don't think so at all. They were trying to trade him over three weeks ago. Emailing 31 GMs is easier and more direct than leaking what you want to the media and waiting for the GMs you could have called or emailed to read it. When this came out within the articles themselves it was reported as old news, the headlines just made it seem current to attract more eyeballs.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:41 am
  • "I will say we're not shopping Josh and have no plans to trade Josh," Chudzinski said.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/97971 ... osh-gordon

    Might just be coach talk, but I think it's true after his recent performances. 49ers tried to trade for him according to Adam Schefter.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:00 am
  • Popeyejones wrote:
    DavidSeven wrote:It's pretty obvious the Browns have intentionally leaked what they want for him to the media.


    Don't think so at all. They were trying to trade him over three weeks ago. Emailing 31 GMs is easier and more direct than leaking what you want to the media and waiting for the GMs you could have called or emailed to read it. When this came out within the articles themselves it was reported as old news, the headlines just made it seem current to attract more eyeballs.


    It's about leverage. Sending a blast e-mail to NFL execs is going to make you look desperate and is going to set off alarm bells to anyone reading it. Leaking it to the media makes it look like you're not necessarily in a hurry to ship the player out (even though you probably are). This matters in terms of the compensation you're likely to receive.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:25 am
  • DavidSeven wrote:It's about leverage. Sending a blast e-mail to NFL execs is going to make you look desperate and is going to set off alarm bells to anyone reading it. Leaking it to the media makes it look like you're not necessarily in a hurry to ship the player out (even though you probably are). This matters in terms of the compensation you're likely to receive.


    Okay, fine, so you work the phones. And if they're using the media, for the second time this week they've used the media to say they're not friggin trading him. :)

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... -chud-says
    Cleveland Browns coach Rob Chudzinski has doubled down on squashing the Josh Gordon trade talk.
    "We're not shopping Josh and we have no plans of trading Josh," Chudzinski told reporters Wednesday, per The Plain Dealer.


    Just to reiterate one more time and provide some more detail (and then I promise I'll drop it):

    *When these recent reports about the price being a second emerged they all acknowledged that they weren't reporting on current discussions, but discussions from after Week 2. It wasn't "news" because it was current, it was news because word had finally gotten around. All of the conversations any team has been reported to have with them -- even in these new stories -- occurred between weeks 2 and 3.

    In the case of the 9ers reporting that all this came from, the story was that the 9ers and Browns talked about trading Gordon for a 2nd rounder after week 2, but that by the time the story leaked (last week) that was not going to happen because the Browns weren't interested in trading him anymore and because three weeks later the 9ers were 2 weeks away from getting Manningham back and 4 weeks away from getting Crabtree back. It was really incredibly cut-and-dry, but of course, 9ers fans like fans of every other team ignored this so they could fantasize about getting a very young guy who has looked like a Top 5 WR in the NFL for the last three weeks for only a 2nd rounder. It was inconvenient to read the stories for what they were -- this was old news, and the Browns had pulled the offer -- so people just pretended the news was something different than it was.

    *And this all makes perfect sense. The Browns being 0-2 and wanting to trade Gordon and Richardson made sense. The Browns have now won three straight, and are in second place in their division. Gordon has also looked all world. The fans would mutiny if they traded him now. It's why the Browns are forced to constantly roll their eyes and say they're not trading him. It's not a conspiracy, it's fans who have selectively read a news report and ignored the details that make it less entertaining to talk about.

    And yeah, I'll eat all of the crow if I'm wrong on this one, but I'd also be happy to bet whatever anyone wants that I'm not. :)
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:36 am
  • Josh Gordon rumors resurfacing, with 2 teams reported to have a standing offer of a high pick and a player.

    The Niners could to be one of the teams in the mix.
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:39 pm
  • ^^^ And all these same reports are still saying that the Browns aren't interested.

    Still don't think it's gonna happen, and down to bet something on it. :)
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Re: Browns shopping Josh Gordon
Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:41 pm
  • Give a second for him Seattle
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