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Crazy idea I know, but....

Dude only came back to win a SB and i think its safe to safe it wont be happening in ATL. Their fans think they should trade him. Might as well trade him to a contender in need of a TE, right?

Unlikely to happen, but wouldnt put anything past Pete and John.


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I've learned my lesson about saying no way, but I think this is very unlikely to happen unless the compensation is really cheap. Like a 6th rounder cheap. It'd be nice to have a healthy TE, but I think they'll rely on Miller getting healthy and Willson improving.

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The Falcons have a franchise QB. They aren't about to enter tank-mode. Those fans are being dumb.


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I read that the Chiefs' fans are clamoring for the same thing.

If the Falcons trade Gonzales, they're telling their fan base that they are giving up this year.

Unlikely to happen, imo.

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not gonna happen but have to admit it's a great idea.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade for Tony Gonzalez
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The Falcons have a franchise QB. They aren't about to enter tank-mode. Those fans are being dumb.


I strongly doubt this would happen either, but I am not quite so sure. I think a lot of this will depend on that Tony Gonzalez wants and what compensation Atlanta can get. Frankly Atlanta is what? 1-4 and NO is 5-0 and I think everyone knows that the wildcard is *not* coming from the NFC South this year (I think one will come from the West and one from the North) That said, Atlanta is on the verge of being out of the playoffs, and Tony has to know this.

All that said, if something like this does happen (a huge if), I would bet on KC rather than Seattle doing the trade.


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Yeah, let's trade for a 90 year old TE.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade for Tony Gonzalez
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Yeah, let's trade for a 90 year old TE.


A definate point, but I've seen some of Atlanta's games. While Atlanta has been a trainwreck (at least so far), Tony has been one of the few genuine bright spots. If Seattle were to do a trade (which I don't necessarily think we should), I would want it to be a one year deal with a fairly low price. I don't think that's realistic.


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Yeah, let's trade for a 90 year old TE.

A 90 year old TE who has more game than any on our roster in a year we're loaded for the Super Bowl.

I know, it's all just a fantasy, but from a hypothetical standpoint, I'd trade a 4th for him, since I think this is probably his last year. A lot for a rent-a-player, I know, but damn...


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If ATL does this, I think it's pretty clear that their giving up on the season, and I don't think any NFL franchise that has as much talent as they do would do that. That being said, I would definitely love to have him here but at a very very low cost. He'll probably retire after the season.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade for Tony Gonzalez
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The Falcons have a franchise QB. They aren't about to enter tank-mode. Those fans are being dumb.

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Not sure if the OP is serious or not. :177692:

Like you said, you don't go pay a ton of money to your QB and tank the season after you spent a ton of money and draft picks to get a WR, TE, RB, and half a dozen other players.

The Falcons were just 3 plays from being 4-0 heading into MNF, and I bet it would be safe to say that the mentality would have been much different.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade for Tony Gonzalez
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Even if we wanted to, we couldn't fit Gonzalez under our cap. He's making 14 million this year...........and I think we're somewhere in the neighborhood of less than 2 million under the cap right now.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade for Tony Gonzalez
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The Falcons have a franchise QB. They aren't about to enter tank-mode. Those fans are being dumb.


I strongly doubt this would happen either, but I am not quite so sure. I think a lot of this will depend on that Tony Gonzalez wants and what compensation Atlanta can get. Frankly Atlanta is what? 1-4 and NO is 5-0 and I think everyone knows that the wildcard is *not* coming from the NFC South this year (I think one will come from the West and one from the North) That said, Atlanta is on the verge of being out of the playoffs, and Tony has to know this.

All that said, if something like this does happen (a huge if), I would bet on KC rather than Seattle doing the trade.


They haven't lost by more than 7 points this year, and three of their losses have come to the NO, MIA and NE. I agree it's not looking pretty for them, but a team with Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, Roddy White and Tony Gonzales isn't just going to bomb the season after five games.


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If ATL does this, I think it's pretty clear that their giving up on the season, and I don't think any NFL franchise that has as much talent as they do would do that. That being said, I would definitely love to have him here but at a very very low cost. He'll probably retire after the season.


You are dead right that such a trade would be a very clear sign that Atlanta is giving up on the season, but already (and this is shocking since it's only week 5 going on 6!) Atlanta is pretty much out of playoff contention. They are five games behind NO (because they lost to NO) and with only 11 games left and with their schedule, I don't see any realistic way that they can catch up. If I can see it, then I promise you Tony and his agent can see it too.

Nothing may come of it, but given that Tony didn't retire last year for the sole reason of wanting one last shot at the Lombardi Trophy, a Gonzales trade isn't out of the question IMHO. That said, I'd expect KC to pull the trigger long before we would. For that matter, I can see the Niners in the mix as well.


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DavidSeven wrote:
They haven't lost by more than 7 points this year, and three of their losses have come to the NO, MIA and NE. I agree it's not looking pretty for them, but a team with Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, Roddy White and Tony Gonzales isn't just going to bomb the season after five games.


All this is true, but Miami isn't as good as we thought a few weeks ago, and NE had the come completely under control. I give ATL kudos for a furious comeback bid against the Patriots (who have issues themselves), but the game wasn't as close as the score.

I agree that it's extremely unlikely that ATL will want to tank the season or intends to, but I also think they are on the verge of being essentially eliminated whether they want to admit it or not.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade for Tony Gonzalez
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Sgt. Largent wrote:
Even if we wanted to, we couldn't fit Gonzalez under our cap. He's making 14 million this year...........and I think we're somewhere in the neighborhood of less than 2 million under the cap right now.


Always need to consider cap implications.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade for Tony Gonzalez
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Sgt. Largent wrote:
Even if we wanted to, we couldn't fit Gonzalez under our cap. He's making 14 million this year...........and I think we're somewhere in the neighborhood of less than 2 million under the cap right now.


I think that's pretty much game-set-match unless Gonzalez agrees to a huge paycut (which I don't quite see somehow....)


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Sgt. Largent wrote:
Even if we wanted to, we couldn't fit Gonzalez under our cap. He's making 14 million this year...........and I think we're somewhere in the neighborhood of less than 2 million under the cap right now.

Of that, only $5.25 mil goes against the cap because he signed a 2 year $14 mil contract. $3.5 mil salary for this year plus a $1.75 mil signing bonus this year. So if they wanted, and the Falcons were willing (now that Julio is likely out for the year it could make more sense) we could probably make it happen. But, someone would more than likely have to be released.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade for Tony Gonzalez
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John Schneider draft picks are like gold and you don't give those up for a one year player. I got faith in Miller and Willson to get more involved as the O-line gets better so there is no need to look desperate we can win with the guys we got.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade for Tony Gonzalez
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Yeah, let's trade for a 90 year old TE.


Even if this guy turns 100, he will still dominate. He is a beast and all RW has to do is throw is towards him and let TG take care of the rest.

Although it wont happen, but imagining the middle of the field being used will be awesome. Its been ages i think that we have gotten a pass completion in the middle.


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umm.. Julio Jones is most likely out for the year... perhaps they may consider it as a "throw in the towel" move.

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The Falcons have a franchise QB. They aren't about to enter tank-mode. Those fans are being dumb.


I don't know about being dumb. I get that the Atlanta FO can't publicly give up on the season, but they're at the bottom of the division, looking up at the undefeated Saints. They are already 4 games back in a 5 game season and they lost their one h2h matchup with the Saints already. That's about as insurmountable lead as you can have at this point.

And that Saints team.....if they beat NE easily this week, I'll have my doubts that we can catch them in the NFC for #1 seed.


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This aint too terribly crazy. A tad premature, but not that crazy. If the Falcons record worsens before the week 8 deadline (I think that's it), the "do right" move would be trading him.


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I'd take him in a heartbeat , willson is still developing and Miller can't stay healthy this season, heck ya, even at age 90 he's still the best in the game, and could play 3,4 more years if he really wanted to.

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JT the brick & Looney were talking about this last night. But they were wondering if Gonzo would come back for another SB or bust season and pegged Seattle as the best fit. Interesting.


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Came in here to post the same thing. Now that Julio is most likely out for the year, it seems this has a better shot of happening. Doing so would be conceding the season at 4-1 and I do not see that happening.

I'd give up a 4th or 5th for him right now though.


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According to Gonzo, he doesn't want anything to do with a trade out of ATL


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In a heartbeat,

I would give Atlanta,

Sidney Rice, Kellen Davis, and Robert Turbin for Tony Gonzalez.

With Turbin gone I would then re-sign Michael Robinso and the team can either move Coleman or Ware to 2nd RB behind Lynch if Michael isn't ready.

Luke Willson can learn behind two of the best TEs in the nfl and can get some snaps at WR ala stephen williams

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According to Gonzo, he doesn't want anything to do with a trade out of ATL


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Makes sense. At this point, he probably just wants to finish out the regular season schedule. DAMN the superbowl! Next stop Canton!


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In a heartbeat,

I would give Atlanta,

Sidney Rice, Kellen Davis, and Robert Turbin for Tony Gonzalez.

With Turbin gone I would then re-sign Michael Robinso and the team can either move Coleman or Ware to 2nd RB behind Lynch if Michael isn't ready.

Luke Willson can learn behind two of the best TEs in the nfl and can get some snaps at WR ala stephen williams


We need to keep Rice through 2013, but I'd offer them Turbin and throw Davis in free. Turbin is not looking great behind this patchwork O-line, but he's not getting many reps to find his zone, either. I believe the Turbin we saw last year was a lesser version of the Turbin we have now (he's somewhat proven and experienced now). He should be worth what we gave for him in the draft...no less, IMO. I also think he'd do well with Atlanta.

Anyway, I sincerely doubt Gonzo will leave Atl. He has no assurance any particular team will definitely make the SB. And he can't very well come out and ask to be traded. He would be considered a trader. ; ) Perhaps running the risk of diminishing his legacy, IMO.


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Actually, forget this trade... lets send the Browns QB Tarvaris Jackson, WR Sidney Rice, RB Robert Turbin, + Oakland's 5th Round Pick for WR Josh Gordon.

Jackson would be a major upgrade over Weeden.

Rice and Turbin would be serviceable, one or both could be stars. Rice would restructure for 2014 and beyond as part of the deal.

Seahawks can then re-sign FB Michael Robinson to replace Turbin's spot, and move Spencer Ware to 2nd/3rd RB when he's healthy.

Seahawks get a killer WR corps with Gordon, Tate, Harvin, Baldwin, and Kearse for 2013.

Seahawks can re-sign Tate, and tender RFA Baldwin with the highest designation , then later trade Baldwin for a 3rd Round pick to the Colts.

Gordon, Tate, Harvin plus Kearse would still kick so much ass and be relatively cheaper over trying to keep Rice, Tate, and Baldwin together which they won't.


Its also funny the Browns are trying to pull a Colts for a top pick but their team is refusing to lay down, now they're ahead of the pack in the AFC north, just better roll with the punches and give the fans something to root for its been a long time since the Browns could compete for the Division.

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not gonna happen but have to admit it's a great idea.

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Pandion Haliaetus wrote:
Actually, forget this trade... lets send the Browns QB Tarvaris Jackson, WR Sidney Rice, RB Robert Turbin, + Oakland's 5th Round Pick for WR Josh Gordon.

Jackson would be a major upgrade over Weeden.

Rice and Turbin would be serviceable, one or both could be stars. Rice would restructure for 2014 and beyond as part of the deal.

Seahawks can then re-sign FB Michael Robinson to replace Turbin's spot, and move Spencer Ware to 2nd/3rd RB when he's healthy.

Seahawks get a killer WR corps with Gordon, Tate, Harvin, Baldwin, and Kearse for 2013.

Seahawks can re-sign Tate, and tender RFA Baldwin with the highest designation , then later trade Baldwin for a 3rd Round pick to the Colts.

Gordon, Tate, Harvin plus Kearse would still kick so much ass and be relatively cheaper over trying to keep Rice, Tate, and Baldwin together which they won't.


Its also funny the Browns are trying to pull a Colts for a top pick but their team is refusing to lay down, now they're ahead of the pack in the AFC north, just better roll with the punches and give the fans something to root for its been a long time since the Browns could compete for the Division.

If you wanna make a trade with the Browns, go after Joe Thomas instead. We need o-linemen worse that WRs.

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Actually, forget this trade... lets send the Browns QB Tarvaris Jackson, WR Sidney Rice, RB Robert Turbin, + Oakland's 5th Round Pick for WR Josh Gordon.

Jackson would be a major upgrade over Weeden.

Rice and Turbin would be serviceable, one or both could be stars. Rice would restructure for 2014 and beyond as part of the deal.

Seahawks can then re-sign FB Michael Robinson to replace Turbin's spot, and move Spencer Ware to 2nd/3rd RB when he's healthy.

Seahawks get a killer WR corps with Gordon, Tate, Harvin, Baldwin, and Kearse for 2013.

Seahawks can re-sign Tate, and tender RFA Baldwin with the highest designation , then later trade Baldwin for a 3rd Round pick to the Colts.

Gordon, Tate, Harvin plus Kearse would still kick so much ass and be relatively cheaper over trying to keep Rice, Tate, and Baldwin together which they won't.


Its also funny the Browns are trying to pull a Colts for a top pick but their team is refusing to lay down, now they're ahead of the pack in the AFC north, just better roll with the punches and give the fans something to root for its been a long time since the Browns could compete for the Division.


This isn't the NBA, what in NFL history makes you think that is even remotely possible?

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