Throwdown wrote:Is it true that Wedge air'd out the clowns running that side show?
Sports Hernia wrote:Throwdown wrote:Is it true that Wedge air'd out the clowns running that side show?
Pretty much, in a round about way. The M's have had 3 managers quit on them in the past 10 years (Lou, Grover, and Wedge), all because of Lincoln/Armstrong. Hmmm.... wonder where the problem is?
m0ng0 wrote:so you all want the team gone.....so this is good news yes?
Throwdown wrote:m0ng0 wrote:so you all want the team gone.....so this is good news yes?
I wouldn't say we want the team gone, but I refuse to attend or watch a game as long as the current FO guys are still in a position of power.
m0ng0 wrote:Should they have traded the prospects away for Justin Upton or Josh Hamilton or a 280lb 1st baseman who hit 25 homers?
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I looked a little deeper and compared the 3 above with Ibanez, Morales and Seager
Fielder/Upton/Hamilton .264 avg, .341 obp, 73 hr, 255 rbi, 50 million
Ibanez/Seager/Morales .261 abg .327 obp 74 hr, 214 rbi 8.5 million
chris98251 wrote:The problem I have seen as a trend with Armstrong and Lincoln is they don't let the GM do his job nor the Manager, every thing has to be approved by them or go through them. Why Gillick and Pinella left and some others.
Sports Hernia wrote:m0ng0 wrote:Should they have traded the prospects away for Justin Upton or Josh Hamilton or a 280lb 1st baseman who hit 25 homers?
*edit*
I looked a little deeper and compared the 3 above with Ibanez, Morales and Seager
Fielder/Upton/Hamilton .264 avg, .341 obp, 73 hr, 255 rbi, 50 million
Ibanez/Seager/Morales .261 abg .327 obp 74 hr, 214 rbi 8.5 million
Sigh..... Another Lincoln/Armstrong apologist.......![]()
Never said they should have traded for Upton. A 280 LB first baseman that hits 25 homeruns would look good in this lineup and make the rest of the lineup better, is it the total answer no, but No pitchers fear Smoak, sorry!
The upper FO is risk adverse when it comes to paying for top tier talent. Other teams seem to make it work, but all these 2 clowns do is fail. Keep on being "patient", Chuck and Howard are counting on fans like you!
Do I need to bring up the stats of this teams W/L record under the reign of Chuck Armstrong, and Howard Lincoln????????????????? Face it, these 2 clowns are clueless and have no idea how to run a successful baseball team. To them they are selling a dog and pony show, and apparently you are buying it.
chris98251 wrote:Well we stopped winning when the GM stopped looking at young talent on other teams, situations like bringing in a guy like Randy Johnson who had control problems, trading a known ageing power bat Ke Phelps if i remember correctly for Jay Buhner, those kinds of moves that move older players or costly one such as Langston was at the time for a stable of young talent ready to pop. That and add a good farm system like those days with Griffey and Arod. Thats what has been lacking. It's talent evaluation that hits more then misses and doing it for players ready to pop not that have and are on the decline.
m0ng0 wrote:chris98251 wrote:Well we stopped winning when the GM stopped looking at young talent on other teams, situations like bringing in a guy like Randy Johnson who had control problems, trading a known ageing power bat Ke Phelps if i remember correctly for Jay Buhner, those kinds of moves that move older players or costly one such as Langston was at the time for a stable of young talent ready to pop. That and add a good farm system like those days with Griffey and Arod. Thats what has been lacking. It's talent evaluation that hits more then misses and doing it for players ready to pop not that have and are on the decline.
I do understand what you are saying however we don't have the chips to play this game, we have nothing worth much at the moment, Langston was a stud when we traded him. I agree talent evaluation is the key along with development of said talent. They have a nice young core that hopefully they continue to build around, I must say I am happy with walker and paxton, miller, zunino, franklin and even seagar and smoak showed something late this year.
m0ng0 wrote:Sports Hernia wrote:m0ng0 wrote:Should they have traded the prospects away for Justin Upton or Josh Hamilton or a 280lb 1st baseman who hit 25 homers?
*edit*
I looked a little deeper and compared the 3 above with Ibanez, Morales and Seager
Fielder/Upton/Hamilton .264 avg, .341 obp, 73 hr, 255 rbi, 50 million
Ibanez/Seager/Morales .261 abg .327 obp 74 hr, 214 rbi 8.5 million
Sigh..... Another Lincoln/Armstrong apologist.......![]()
Never said they should have traded for Upton. A 280 LB first baseman that hits 25 homeruns would look good in this lineup and make the rest of the lineup better, is it the total answer no, but No pitchers fear Smoak, sorry!
The upper FO is risk adverse when it comes to paying for top tier talent. Other teams seem to make it work, but all these 2 clowns do is fail. Keep on being "patient", Chuck and Howard are counting on fans like you!
Do I need to bring up the stats of this teams W/L record under the reign of Chuck Armstrong, and Howard Lincoln????????????????? Face it, these 2 clowns are clueless and have no idea how to run a successful baseball team. To them they are selling a dog and pony show, and apparently you are buying it.
Excuse me? I could give a damn who chuck or howard are, I pointed out 3 free agents that the league was all hot and bothered about that for one reason or another we did not sign, and none of them appear to be smart moves considering their salary or as you say it top tier talent, the angels built a fantasy team that was damn near as dreadful as Seattle, you hate the mariners I get that, you choose not to support them I get that, you offer no solutions just constant bitching bout chuck and howard, blah blah blah we have already heard all of this before......
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have a nice day sweetie pie
hawk45 wrote:I'm not much of a fan of the Ms and I pity you guys who are but at what point does the "good farm system" thing get challenged? At least in terms of young hitters, doesn't one of the young guys have to come up and have consistent success to validate that?
Every year seems like 1 or 2 youngsters will have a decent stretch, and those are held up as reasons to be patient, then next year they suck, and a couple other young guys will do okay for a little and be the new hope.
m0ng0 wrote:they can't sign top tier talent without massively overpaying, they can possibly get guys like Jacoby Ellsbury or Tim Lincecum because they have ties to the area but even that is a stretch. Do we outbid the yankees for maybe 330 mill for Robinson Cano? Do we overpay to keep Kendry Morales? What do we do with Montero?
Spending money just because we can is not always the best idea. Look at Texas, Angels, Blue Jays, Phillies and Yankees they threw lots of money at players and they are all sitting at home now also.
chris98251 wrote:.250 is not a respectable average for a firsdt baseman that is suppose to be a full time starter, that is what you expect from a guy that historically has been a SS or your weakest hitter, respectable .275 to .290 for a power guy. I guess when you are screaming for decency your expectations of average dwindle.
Happypuppy wrote:No really good FA will consider the Ms given the situation. It is not a hitters park and that is what we need. Aaron was right when he said after the park opened balls just die. No manager a clueless front office what a mess. I would do:
Trade 2 or more of the the better prospects and position players for players under contract. No one is untouchable. No one is that good except for our 1-2 pitchers. I would even listen if it was a knock you over offer.
It's the only way I can see this happening. I don't trust Z both the players he wanted, Upton and Hamilton did nothing. His trades moved good players for squat. Frankly I would let him go too. I don't like his plan. Whatever formula is uses to evaluate players is not working. How has he earned even one more year ? This team is worse not better.
Try to poach a good GM. Give Robby Thompson a shot at manager. Better to throw crazy money at a GM that knows what he is doing then a player. Z was a good scout, that's it. No track record as GM just as an assistant in Milwaukee . Why did we thing he would be able to do it ? He has failed. Next man up works in baseball too IMO.
Sports Hernia wrote:Unless you can get Billy Beane from Oakland I doesn't really matter IMHO whom your GM and manager are when under restraints of the upper FO.
m0ng0 wrote:Should they have traded the prospects away for Justin Upton or Josh Hamilton or a 280lb 1st baseman who hit 25 homers?
*edit*
I looked a little deeper and compared the 3 above with Ibanez, Morales and Seager
Fielder/Upton/Hamilton .264 avg, .341 obp, 73 hr, 255 rbi, 50 million
Ibanez/Seager/Morales .261 abg .327 obp 74 hr, 214 rbi 8.5 million
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