Its been a been a broken record for quite a bit, no need to revisit them until they are relevant.

Lol you'll never talk about them again, salute

Throwdown wrote:Lol you'll never talk about them again, salute

whats that supposed to mean

You said no need to revisit them until they're relevant again, it ain't gonna happen.

Throwdown wrote:You said no need to revisit them until they're relevant again, it ain't gonna happen.

Any Ms fan that is honest with themselves would have to agree.

Don't even start you bums. I know it's hard to be a mariners fan but for the die hards we will always hope the big turn is just around the next corner. As any of us would be for the hawks if they sucked.

Ownership is the biggest difference. PA doesn't like losing and does everything in his power to prevent it.

Be a winner and talk Dodgers.

425HawkSpark wrote:Don't even start you bums. I know it's hard to be a mariners fan but for the die hards we will always hope the big turn is just around the next corner. As any of us would be for the hawks if they sucked.

Hawks never stood in the way of the Sports Scene taking 8 steps forward after falling 5 steps back a few years ago. Hawks deserve the love they have earned, M's? Not so much.

Throwdown wrote:

425HawkSpark wrote:Don't even start you bums. I know it's hard to be a mariners fan but for the die hards we will always hope the big turn is just around the next corner. As any of us would be for the hawks if they sucked.

Hawks never stood in the way of the Sports Scene taking 8 steps forward after falling 5 steps back a few years ago. Hawks deserve the love they have earned, M's? Not so much.

I never understood the "need" to get behind an inferior product. Only in sports are you supposed to be stoked about a garbage product. Ya man, I know this bread is always stale, but screw you man, I'm a true blue fan! I'm going to eat this nasty bread like a boss, you just watch me!

Really though, I have a crazy amount of respect for folks who haven't given up on the Marners, wait Milners, wait, what the heck is that teams name again?

I'm a diehard M's fan and will always be interested in talking Mariners. Seahawks fans suffered through the 90's, I can suffer through this. They'll be relevant again, can't guarantee it'll be in my lifetime (I'm still in my early 20's), but it'll happen someday. Hopefully.

Largent80 wrote:Be a winner and talk Dodgers.

Real Talk

CALIHAWK1 wrote:Ownership is the biggest difference. PA doesn't like losing and does everything in his power to prevent it.

Because Behring was so committed to winning.

jkitsune wrote:

CALIHAWK1 wrote:Ownership is the biggest difference. PA doesn't like losing and does everything in his power to prevent it.

Because Behring was so committed to winning.

Does Behring own the Seahawks?

No. But he did, and to anyone who cites poor ownership as a valid reason for abandoning their home team (the Mariners), I can only assume that they would have bailed on the Seahawks during the Behring years. If they didn't, then I wonder why the inconsistency?

The whole "the M's ownership doesn't care about winning" argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Up until the end of the Bavasi years they made sure the M's were consistently top 10 in payroll. You don't invest that much money into a team if you don't care about winning. Sure, they care about profits but winning equals profits. They know that, everyone knows that. They aren't dumb, they want to field a winning team if only to increase the teams profitability.

They tried to sabotage my Sonics so screw them until Lincoln and Co. is gone. I'll always silently root for the team but the FO gets nothing from me.

-The Glove- wrote:They tried to sabotage my Sonics so screw them until Lincoln and Co. is gone. I'll always silently root for the team but the FO gets nothing from me.

Pretty much, I'll watch the standings, but I won't watch or go to the games.

I don't even know the team outside of Ackley and Hernandez.

That's a legit reason to hate the M's ownership.

Trrrroy wrote:The whole "the M's ownership doesn't care about winning" argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Up until the end of the Bavasi years they made sure the M's were consistently top 10 in payroll. You don't invest that much money into a team if you don't care about winning. Sure, they care about profits but winning equals profits. They know that, everyone knows that. They aren't dumb, they want to field a winning team if only to increase the teams profitability.

That's debateable. They want to win at THEIR price and THEIR terms period, and not a penny more. Where was that "winning attitude" when Lou wanted another bat, when Seattle was on the cusp of going to the World Series in 2001, not to be found as the m's wallet was slammed shut right in their managers face.

Do you think the M's past 10 years of general suck was just dumb luck?????

Nope, it was inept ownership and an inept upper front office, see Chuck Armstrong and Howard Lincoln in particular! To believe otherwise is naive at best!

Sports Hernia wrote:That's debateable. They want to win at THEIR price and THEIR terms period, and not a penny more. Where was that "winning attitude" when Lou wanted another bat, when Seattle was on the cusp of going to the World Series in 2001, not to be found as the m's wallet was slammed shut right in their managers face.

Do you think the M's past 10 years of general suck was just dumb luck?????

Nope, it was inept ownership and an inept upper front office, see Chuck Armstrong and Howard Lincoln in particular! To believe otherwise is naive at best!

I'm not arguing that the ownership hasn't played a part in the M's suckage. Of course they have. What I'm arguing against is the belief that they are purposefully holding this team back, a ridiculous concept. The ownership sucks, they've made terrible decisions, but they do care about winning as evidence by their willingness to provide the M's with ample funds up until the end of the Bavasi era. They're biggest mistake thus far, at least as the Mariners are concerned, has been hiring crap managers that can't put a decent product on the field with the cash provided.

I'm not going to comment on them not supporting Lou because that happened before I was a fan and I don't know the details. I do know, however, that after 2006 when Bavasi thought he could make this team a contender they had no problem increasing the team salary from $87 million to $107 million the very next season to oblige him. They're not afraid to give out cash, but they suck at finding people to manage that cash. Giving that kind of money to Bavasi was idiotic.

they did NOT beat the Rays tonight !

Yet you keep talking about them.

lol

A friend tweeted this too me..ha ha

Trrrroy wrote:The whole "the M's ownership doesn't care about winning" argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Up until the end of the Bavasi years they made sure the M's were consistently top 10 in payroll. You don't invest that much money into a team if you don't care about winning. Sure, they care about profits but winning equals profits. They know that, everyone knows that. They aren't dumb, they want to field a winning team if only to increase the teams profitability.

The Ms are very profitable while always losing--TV deals mainly. Investing in highly-paid players only cuts into the revenue stream.

I want the mariners' season over so badly so I don't have to suffer through any more discussion about the team during football season on sports radio during my drive home from work. Screw em!

You beat me to it. Why does the local stations still broadcast their games. who cares any more? catch me next season, i want to hear football talk on my drive home not a mariner game where i don't recognize half the names in the lineup. enough already, call it a season, regroup, try again next year. now GTF Off my radio.....

I have been a die hard M's fan for as along as I can remember, and I've never been more apathetic about them then I am right now. They have the facilities and the revenue stream to be competitive, but ownership sucks and management is absolutely, positively atrocious. There is no excuse for this franchise to be in the state that it's in.

Wake me when the team is sold.

the rook callups are showing alot of promise

have they reached historically bad levels yet?

falcongoggles wrote:have they reached historically bad levels yet?

www.google.com

Try it

People still watch baseball?

425HawkSpark wrote:Don't even start you bums. I know it's hard to be a mariners fan but for the die hards we will always hope the big turn is just around the next corner. As any of us would be for the hawks if they sucked.

there is no bigger mariners fan than me on this board, been one since day 1... i have honestly watched maybe 10 full games in the last 2 seasons because i have simply had enough of the BS. I'll always be a fan, but until the ownership shows me they are serious about putting a competitive team on the field, i will be watching from afar. I will not financially support an organization that is ok with losing, by attending games or buying merchandise. Screw that enjoying a nice day at the ballpark and soaking up the aptmosphere crap, i want to see winning baseball again..

I am a fan of baseball but not of the Ms until they field a competitive team. They lost me as a fan and they have to win me back. I am not about to spend one dime on an organization is this messed up. The front office has said they are accountable. I don't see that reflected on the field.

Don't worry folks, they are saved now that jack z signed a one year extension! You know since he has done such an awesome job so far. Oh wait they still suck..

take a look at Paxtons and Walkers stats since they were called up, the mariners have a nice rotation next year!

m0ng0 wrote:take a look at Paxtons and Walkers stats since they were called up, the mariners have a nice rotation next year!

Can they hit though? This team still has no offense!

We had such an abysmal 3-4-5 rotation this year. Offense was a step in the right direction this year - what are we, fourth in home runs? Second to last in average I am sure. But our starting pitching really wasn't as good as I had expected, aside from Felix/Kuma.

I'll agree with the September posts on here in that even though I am a die-hard baseball fan, the Mariners are struggling to keep my attention anymore.

Well the baseball season is over for M's fans, and now it's Seahawk season.. Nothing like the long drive home from work hoping to hear some Hawk talk, only having to listen to the fricken MLB playoffs on my local ESPN station.. What's worse than being forced to listen to your loser team's games when you know they aren't sniffing the post season? that would be listening to two other teams you could care less about in a playoff game. Thanks ESPN 1340 for rubbing more salt in my wounds..

GO Cougs!!!! ouch
Go M's!!! the agony
Go Sonics!!! getting numb now
Go Hawks!!! ahhh, that's better