Drinking shortens lives, and many acts of violence, especially the domestic kind against women, happen when alcohol is involved, so I guess you are for banning that too. Might as well ban sugars, and any other non healthy food group as those too make people die earlier than they would otherwise. Government really needs to step it up, there's so many dangerous things out there for me to choose from, I don't even know where to start

As neighbors, people do things all the time that annoy one another. That's part of living in a community. Does that mean the gov should just come in make everything illegal that has the potential to harm someone else? I dont think so. Your logic seems to be telling me you do. Do what normal members of communities do and talk to your neighbor or landlord if his chain smoking is bothering you.

Its so anti-American to say, "Let's restrict everything that could lead to issues within our communities" Once again, how about instead of limiting our freedoms have a human interaction with your neighbor to sort out what you feel is the problem? The reason I said your analogy wasn't valid was because obviously drunk driving is an issue that you have so say in, and either harms you or it doesn't. Owners of private places can still ban smoking, and can be resolved in different ways. I just hate the idea of the gov telling us what we can and can't do in our private residence as long as the action is legal on it's own.

Swing and a miss buddy, your not even close to putting it together. Yes, drinking is unhealthy (along with bad food and what not) but if used responsibly it is and should remain legal because your choices are only affecting you. The second your choices affect others, i.e. drunk driving, abuse, and second hand smoke, it is or should become illegal. Smoking where other people can be affected by it means YOU are shortening THEIR lives and impeding on their freedom to live a healthy lifestyle. Smoke, drink, eat all the fatty foods you want just make sure your dumb choices are only affecting your own life.

Every action that a person does, whether good or bad affects those around them. The person who chooses sugary snacks and dies from diabetes also affect their families upon their death. To what extent that happens will be based on many variables, just like second hand smoke is based on each persons genetics and how that smoke will affect them. Some may have their lives shortened, others it won't affect at all. So, with this being said, how can you base your views on something that is possibly harmful to a variable amount of people, depending on a random exposure level and ppm of the smoke?

Just admit that you hate it, and that is the only reason you are basing your argument on.

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Hypothetical: You live in an apartment complex with your wife and 2 small children. The apartment next to you has new tenants that are chain smokers and it is getting into your apartment. What action do you take?

Move.

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There are tons of rental companies that allow smoking and that don't allow smoking in their apartment complex. Diversity allows for choice so that everyone can live where they want to. I'm pro-choice.

See that is an option. I would first ask the new tenants, kindly, to smoke outside and tell them my side of the story. If they were assholes I would then look at moving.

I asked the question to see if government involvement is at the top of anyone's list.

You can sue them.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manh ... mqgQsXmI6K

Seriously? They are asking for $2 million in compensation for this? The guy seems to have done everything he could to help remedy the situation. If it's THAT bad and they can afford to live in a $2 million home, you'd think they could afford to put in some quality air purification system. heck, if I had that kind of money and lived in a place like NY, I'd have one just for GP's

I didn't say I was siding with the people suing, I don't know the real details of the case; I'm just saying, a judge sided with them in that it violated their whatever-it-was-because-I-don't-feel-like-clicking-the-link-again.

I think that asking people to slow down an addiction would get them to turn hostile on you, quickly. Best bet is to simply not be in that position in the first place.

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I didn't read that as you taking a side at all. Just read it as a specific example.

Cigars have a much more pungent odor, and they are much more noticeable than a standard cigarette, but as far as the threat or perceived threat is, I seriously doubt that after everything that guy claims to have done to his apartment, that there's enough getting through to warrant a $2 million lawsuit.

Punitive damages, son. The two favorite and most-hated words of lawyers everywhere.

What a bullshit conclusion.

Really? Do you go to bars/restaurants that allow smoking if you hate it? Or do you go there and bitch about it and tell the people around you to please stop?

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My situation had the renters with children already living there and then someone moved in and created a bad situation. Completely different than choosing to patronize a bar/restaurant. AND I wouldn't ask them to stop smoking, I would say, "Hey, I know you smoke and that's cool or whatever, but I have small children and its getting into our apartment. If you could make an effort to smoke outside, I really would appreciate it. Thank you." I wouldn't start barking and cursing at them.

There are families that live in these situations, probably why the California bill was proposed in the first place. Your first solution was to move, but what if smokers move in next to you in your new apartment/condo? The next thing you say is that its best not to be in that situation. No shit, who wants to be a family living in an apartment next to chain smokers. Maybe they are there by circumstance and not choice.

And if the guy had told them to eff off, and not spent money sealing his apartment, and purchasing air cleaners, I could see it...MAYBE....but when the defendant has done as much as he claims (assuming he actually did what he said), then you really are just being a litigious as ass when you ask for that amount of "damages"

Evan, you know damn well that even I wasn't saying to bark at them. You also know that even if you do ask some people nicely they still act like dicks, because you are interfering with their right to smoke. FYI, I used to be that guy who if someone would ask me to smoke someplace else I would tell them to fuck off. The best choice is avoidance by doing research before you move, by choosing a smoke free environment in the first place.

The end result is government involvement is not the answer, unless they totally outlaw the sale of cigarettes and cigars, which just won't happen in the foreseeable future, even though it should.

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Just because they say 2M doesn't mean a damn thing. How often do those suits actually come out?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manh ... PzWBKxT9yL

I had to LOL at the result. I think this is almost fair.

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