Tagging this thread so that when some of the idiots around here claim that "slippery slope" arguments are invalid, I can prove otherwise. Look how anti-smoking legislation has gone through so many phases. No-smoking sections in restaurants being legally enforceable, to no smoking indoors in public places, to no smoking in your own home; but no, "slippery slope" arguments are invalid.

I'm not a smoker, and I hate smoking, but I'm not sure this is a wise piece of legislation. Might be going too far, even though as far as I'm concerned, I'd be fine with no more manufacturing of cigarettes. I hate even smelling them.

In my classes I talk about how smoking bans actually make the problem of second hand smoke worse. Instead of keeping in places like bars where people can choose to go or not, we push smokers outside into the general public. As a nonsmoker, I'd rather people smoke in bars than on sidewalks or in parks.

Not me. Outside, at least you have the option of crossing the street or merely holding your breath for a moment as you walk by, and the smoke generally is rising much more outside than it is inside. WAY easier to avoid. If I have a favorite neighborhood bar and it starts getting invaded by a group of regulars that smoke like fucking chimneys, I shouldn't have to find a new watering hole because excessive cigarette smoke bothers my sinuses.

Also, Sonic, care to defend your opinion on the whole slippery slope thing in light of this?
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Are you honestly expecting any kind of intelligent response from Sonic?

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No, but I'm hoping for something entertaining. Likely a heated attempt at getting around the fact that he can't escape from his stated stance on "slippery slope" arguments and the fact that they can DEFINITELY be valid, and in fact are in a variety of cases. Like dictating whether someone can light up in their own home, as an example.

As far as I'm concerned, that's the bar owners decision whether he wants your business or the new band of smokers. We treat property as if it is somehow public in terms of public ownership but you and I have no right to tell the bar owner what he does with his business. Streets and sidewalks, however, are actual areas of public property that we do have say over.

So what I have gotten from this is that its not okay for the government to intrude on "freedoms" such as smoking wherever you please, but that it is okay if individuals intrude on "freedoms" such as not getting lung cancer cause some inconsiderate jackass can't fight off an addiction PROVEN to be horribly unhealthy. "Big government can't stop me from hurting the unborn fetus next door because this is 'murica."

As I said earlier, this is exactly like drunk driving being illegal. Now one cares if your only hurting yourself.

How is it "exactly like drunk driving"? There are things that can be done to alleviate issues with smoking, starting with avoidance, and moving on to air filters and such. Please explain to me how I can be innocently driving down the street, minding all the laws, and avoid the drunken fool who blasts through a red light in a blind intersection and runs into a vehicle or perhaps a pedestrian, injuring or killing someone. When you figure that out, please get back to me. I won't hold my breath

I never argued that banning something will lead to more banning. But banning something and then eventually it turns into:

"Remove the knuckles on the human hand. It'll reduce fistfights to almost nil.
Remove all human emotion via chemicals. It'll reduce human aggression and fix the problem of violence in general.
Give emotional lobotomies to all newborn infants. That way, they can never harm or kill another." - Roland

No, I don't agree with.

Why does peaches even respond anymore? Get Roland out of your mouth.

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My grandmother dropped dead the other day, apparently she was hit by a drunk driver in 1972.

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It's honestly just to wind you up. And it works.

Roland made a good point and i agreed with him.

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Total bullshit on so many levels. First off, how exactly is someone going to get lung cancer when the person in question will be smoking inside their own apartment... you really think a few wisps of smoke now and then is going to give someone lung cancer? Now I personally hate smoking but you're really brainwashed by the anti-smoking campaign if you think it's really that easy to get lung cancer.

Secondly, it's like drunk driving how?.... Smoking in your own private residence is like driving intoxicated, directly putting peoples' lives on the line? No words can describe how dumb this analogy is.

Mini-Roland is comfortable where he is.


Damned right it works. Not that I'm above people winding me up on purpose, or anything.

Ha... Mini-Roland. I like it. I mean, not as much as Peaches.

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mini is putting it mildly. It's more like a beef li'l smoky than anything else.

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How do I taste, Peaches? Also, be appreciative that I keep myself trimmed.

I would have thought the beef li'l smoky comparison was indication enough of both size, taste and texture.

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You're right, it is. I'm proud.

I own rentals. I am not allowed to ask if a potential tenant smokes, but I can have them sign a contract that says they won't. Weird. Tell you one thing, I smell smoke in their apartment and that deposit is gone. Smell it again and so are they. That crap gets in the walls, paint, rugs, and that stink is pervasive for a long time. It takes more than the deposit to clean up an apartment after a smoker.

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Drunk driving shortens people's lives, smoking shortens peoples lives. Obviously one is more immediate than the other but I assumed you'd make the connection. Just because you don't understand the analogy doesn't mean its dumb, champ. Although smoking in the apartment may seem like isolation, I can tell you from personal experience that on a hot day I can't open my back window due to my neighbor chain smoking neighbor next door. If he or she found a way to make my exposure zero, I could give a crap if it happens