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 Post subject: Re: The state of education in America......sad but true?
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Hahaha yes, classic from TigerDroppings, at least that's where I first encountered it.

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I think it was originally from Wonder Showzen on MTV2. Man that show was good, especially the racism episode.

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Japanese people are suicidal, does that make me racist also?


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Japanese people are suicidal, does that make me racist also?


Yes.

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I think some people are confusing "stereotypical" with "racist".

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I think some people are confusing "stereotypical" with "racist".


Congratulations, you've just nailed the definition of "politically correct" with astonishing precision.

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Japanese people are suicidal, does that make me racist also?


First of all, I didn't call you racist. I said "racsit" which is totally different. It literally means nothing.

When you say "Japanese people are suicidal" that means you're generalizing their entire population based on the actions of about .02% of them. I'm not saying that's racist but it's some kinda somethin.

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I think some people are confusing "stereotypical" with "racist".


Congratulations, you've just nailed the definition of "politically correct" with astonishing precision.


Yeah, but stereotyping based on race fits the modern, commonly accepted definition of racist.

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Racism is assuming a fact about a person based on their race.

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Racism is assuming a fact about a person based on their race.


Racism is an "ism." There is only one race: the human race. Disecting facts about people that have different physical or cultural characteristics and labeling them a race, technically, is racism. Assuming the facts about that "race" are negative is bigotry.


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Racism is assuming a fact about a person based on their race.


Racism is an "ism." There is only one race: the human race. Disecting facts about people that have different physical or cultural characteristics and labeling them a race, technically, is racism. Assuming the facts about that "race" are negative is bigotry.


Wait, so you just said that there is only one race then you went on to say that what I said was "racist"? Alright.

While yes, we all are the same species, it's ignorant to suggest that we do not differ as the main human races were separated for many many generations. This is obviously not to suggest that any race is superior, especially in brain power as one can only assume that while the brain evolves just as everything else does, capacity and efficiency are two things that have not been perfected (or necessarily improved) by any secluded human branch.

If you looked at a person of Asian, African or European decent it's not racist to surmise that they are decedents of a particular region. However to suggest that they have certain mental and physical traits based on their perceived origin would be.

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SonicHawk wrote:
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Racism is assuming a fact about a person based on their race.


Racism is an "ism." There is only one race: the human race. Disecting facts about people that have different physical or cultural characteristics and labeling them a race, technically, is racism. Assuming the facts about that "race" are negative is bigotry.


Wait, so you just said that there is only one race then you went on to say that what I said was "racist"? Alright.

While yes, we all are the same species, it's ignorant to suggest that we do not differ as the main human races were separated for many many generations. This is obviously not to suggest that any race is superior, especially in brain power as one can only assume that while the brain evolves just as everything else does, capacity and efficiency are two things that have not been perfected (or necessarily improved) by any secluded human branch.

If you looked at a person of Asian, African or European decent it's not racist to surmise that they are decedents of a particular region. However to suggest that they have certain mental and physical traits based on their perceived origin would be.


Race is a social construct and is not based in science. We are all homo sapiens (sapiens).

Where's the cutoff to be defined Asian, European, or African? Is it skin color, eye shape, or what? We're all humans and some of our ancestors came from different places, that doesn't mean we're different races.


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Look, race isn't the prettiest word to use for taxonomy but it's a word that most people understand. While a more scientific approach might use words such as "population" or "ethnic group" I don't think it's hard to understand what "race" means.

The cutoff? Once again, "race" is an unscientific term. Yes, we're all humans (fuck, I get it man)... I have never, ever argued that. If I were to open a history book and look at a photograph from a Chinese person from the 1800s and see a person of obvious Asian decent I can't come to a conclusion that they are probably near the same origin. It's not a negative, it's not a positive. It's simply a fact. To surmise anything beyond noticeable origin would be wrong and a generalization.

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You know when it comes to racism, people say: " I don't care if they're black, white, purple or green"... Hold on now. Purple or Green? You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help them.

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You know when it comes to racism, people say: " I don't care if they're black, white, purple or green"... Hold on now. Purple or Green? You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help them.


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Look, race isn't the prettiest word to use for taxonomy but it's a word that most people understand. While a more scientific approach might use words such as "population" or "ethnic group" I don't think it's hard to understand what "race" means.

The cutoff? Once again, "race" is an unscientific term. Yes, we're all humans (fuck, I get it man)... I have never, ever argued that. If I were to open a history book and look at a photograph from a Chinese person from the 1800s and see a person of obvious Asian decent I can't come to a conclusion that they are probably near the same origin. It's not a negative, it's not a positive. It's simply a fact. To surmise anything beyond noticeable origin would be wrong and a generalization.


Even in your second paragraph you say "obvious Asian decent [sic]," if you say "obvious Asian race" it comes off as ignorant. There is no such thing as race. To think there is doesn't mean you're a hateful bigot, but race doesn't exist. Labels were made to put certain groups down. Anyway, it's getting harder to label "races" now with people having such diverse roots. Tiger Woods is an obvious example.


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This is definitely part of the problem. The other problem is that kids (and teachers) are bored in class. Kids' lives outside of school are more enriching with easy access to the internet and social media. The education system has done nothing to change except become stricter by teaching to the test.


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