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 Post subject: Re: All the President's Men
 Post Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:46 am 
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Another bit of false information given by the administration...

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“There are literally teachers now who are getting pink slips, who are getting notices that they can’t come back this fall,” Education Secretary Arne Duncan said Sunday on CBS’s “Face the Nation.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/teacher-pink-slips-claim-by-duncan-not-backed-by-evidence/2013/02/27/8a87aa2a-8113-11e2-b99e-6baf4ebe42df_story.html


Of course when he was asked later for examples, the one he came up with had nothing to do with the sequester. Yes teachers are losing jobs right now, but these layoffs aren't caused by the sequester possibility, but it sure sounds like something that will help convince those who don't do their own research, to lean towards the administrations line of thinking here.


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There is twice the amount of money needed tied up in horrible pork projects. An eighth-grader could find cuts that wouldn't affect anyone's livelihood. But this isn't about finding cuts. It's about scaring and bullying the American public into going along with what this administration wants. Bob Woodward called the President on it and is being blackballed because of it. Brit Hume has also said similar things, but I suppose he's a hack too.

Face it, it's nothing more than towing the party line. And if you don't, you should be "put out to pasture," to use the words of Obama's guy David Plouffe.

I guess it depends on who you think it doing the bullying. The Repubs voted for this. They can vote to avoid it. They choose not to. Their answer is what they passed last year, which is to basically eliminate any cuts to the military budget and big corporate pork projects and do all of the savings by hacking away at the social programs they hate while reducing taxes on those corporations and the top earners.

The fact is, the agreement was made when the Repubs mistakenly thought they would win the White House and Senate in 2012. Instead, they got Gibbs slapped by the American voters who realize that austerity doesn't work, except to further the income and wealth inequality that has been growing in this country for the past 30 years or so. Now, with public opinion decidedly against them, the only thing they have left is stonewalling. That only gets them so far. As the M$M comes out of its stupor and actually starts reporting reality based news, it has become less and less easy for the RW echo chamber to support its propaganda.

And yes, Hume is pretty much a hack, too IMHO.

And hint: It's "toe"ing, not towing. ;)

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And hint: It's "toe"ing, not towing. ;)


Yes. :embarassed:

The rest of your post is just deflection from Dear Leader, even as many feel the whole works is corrupt and incompetent as hell.

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A lot of arguing about a story that was bullshit from the start, but hey let's not let bias affirmation get in the way. Woodward lied about being threatened, and his story about the sequestration was pretty shaky to begin with, so lying about threats doesn't making any more credible.

Anybody using Hume as a source, him being one of the biggest hacks at Fox since he tries to pose a legitimate news, and then saying losing MSNBC by showing footage of Morning Joe pretty much discredit themselves.

I must say, I find it hilarious that you conservatives are so desperate to try and blame sequestration all on Obama, despite the Republicans part in it. But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good lynching.


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A lot of arguing about a story that was bullshit from the start, but hey let's not let bias affirmation get in the way. Woodward lied about being threatened, and his story about the sequestration was pretty shaky to begin with, so lying about threats doesn't making any more credible.


Whether it was meant as a threat or whether you or I perceive it as a threat doesn't constitute whether or not he was lying about it. You are not in his head. You don't know what happened in that phone call referenced in the email. Does it sound threatening to me? Just the email doesn't, but it does have subversive overtones to it that could be deemed a bit threatening with other context which we do not have, so who are you to judge what he feels?



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Anybody using Hume as a source, him being one of the biggest hacks at Fox since he tries to pose a legitimate news, and then saying losing MSNBC by showing footage of Morning Joe pretty much discredit themselves.


I won't really comment on this as I don't really have any feelings one way or the other about Hume. All I know is he's been in the business for a long time.

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I must say, I find it hilarious that you conservatives are so desperate to try and blame sequestration all on Obama, despite the Republicans part in it. But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good lynching.


Funny how you see one side as blaming it all on Obama, when many are just pointing out the hypocrisy of the administration for trying to put the onus on republicans for something that was his idea to begin with. Is there blame to be shared? Of course, but if you go by what the administration is putting out there, this is all the republicans fault and they had nothing to do with it. Pointing out the hypocrisy is only biased to guys like you and sutz, because you are only here to defend the administration. Try looking at it from an unbiased viewpoint and you'll see that there is plenty of blame to go for both sides, but the administration needs to step forward and accept their responsibility in creating it in the first place.


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God I hate politics. Republicans wave the bible around and try to legislate morality, Demorats are all fucking morons and lemmings. We seriously need to just wipe the slate clean and start over with a new political system. One that rewards actually doing your job and not running for re-election 90% of your time in office.

We are fucked.

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God I hate politics. Republicans wave the bible around and try to legislate morality, Demorats are all fucking morons and lemmings. We seriously need to just wipe the slate clean and start over with a new political system. One that rewards actually doing your job and not running for re-election 90% of your time in office.

We are fucked.


You didn't mention the part where you have to be rich.


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It's hardly our political system. It's the complacency of those that vote.

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MLOhawks wrote:
God I hate politics. Republicans wave the bible around and try to legislate morality, Demorats are all fucking morons and lemmings. We seriously need to just wipe the slate clean and start over with a new political system. One that rewards actually doing your job and not running for re-election 90% of your time in office.

We are fucked.


You didn't mention the part where you have to be rich.


True. Here's the link to that: http://freebeacon.com/unlimited-access-2/

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razor150 wrote:
A lot of arguing about a story that was bullshit from the start, but hey let's not let bias affirmation get in the way. Woodward lied about being threatened, and his story about the sequestration was pretty shaky to begin with, so lying about threats doesn't making any more credible.


Whether it was meant as a threat or whether you or I perceive it as a threat doesn't constitute whether or not he was lying about it. You are not in his head. You don't know what happened in that phone call referenced in the email. Does it sound threatening to me? Just the email doesn't, but it does have subversive overtones to it that could be deemed a bit threatening with other context which we do not have, so who are you to judge what he feels?


BS, Woodward when saying he felt threatened referred directly to the email he received that was a complete apology and completely mis-represents the line about him regretting his story. Sorry, it was a bald faced lie to try to give his shaky story some kind of credibility. He never mentions the call as part of the threat, he just goes on an on about how he'll "regret this." In fact his reply to him completely invalidates his claim about feeling threatened.

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razor150 wrote:
Anybody using Hume as a source, him being one of the biggest hacks at Fox since he tries to pose a legitimate news, and then saying losing MSNBC by showing footage of Morning Joe pretty much discredit themselves.


I won't really comment on this as I don't really have any feelings one way or the other about Hume. All I know is he's been in the business for a long time.

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I must say, I find it hilarious that you conservatives are so desperate to try and blame sequestration all on Obama, despite the Republicans part in it. But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good lynching.


Funny how you see one side as blaming it all on Obama, when many are just pointing out the hypocrisy of the administration for trying to put the onus on republicans for something that was his idea to begin with. Is there blame to be shared? Of course, but if you go by what the administration is putting out there, this is all the republicans fault and they had nothing to do with it. Pointing out the hypocrisy is only biased to guys like you and sutz, because you are only here to defend the administration. Try looking at it from an unbiased viewpoint and you'll see that there is plenty of blame to go for both sides, but the administration needs to step forward and accept their responsibility in creating it in the first place.


Well, my response was almost entirely to Sailor who is going off the rails saying it was all Obama and his staff is threatening and blackballing poor Woodward. Which is utter nonsense, and if he chilled out for a moment he would know it.

Also, never said Obama holds no blame, and he has put out some major hyperbole to get support for his plan. But let's be honest here, the Republicans do hold the lion share of the blame. The President has had a plan for awhile, but that never stopped Boehner and other Republicans from lying on TV saying he doesn't. They just don't like it since it included new revenue, which Obama has called for before and after agreeing to Sequestration. So Obama has never "moved the goalposts" just because new revenue isn't included in sequestration, after all Republicans want things not agreed to in sequestration as well. Is that moving the goalposts as well?> The reason why Republicans and Democrats, including Obama, agreed to Sequestration was to create something so bad for both sides they would have to come to an agreement. This has been known since the beginning. They were close to an agreement once, that Boehner was about to accept, until he let Ryan and Cantor talk him out of it. The last thing I've seen Boehner actually bring to the floor of the House this week was a bill to rename a NASA facility. The House Republicans aren't even taking it seriously.


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