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Bob Woodward is taking on the President. Again. Except this time they're fighting back. Well, threatening, anyway. "You will regret doing this," a senior White House official told him.

This is in response for him pointing out (and rightfully at that) that the President was the one behind sequestration in the first place, and saying it was "a kind of madness" for a president to say he couldn't deploy a carrier in support of operations because of a budget. In the amount of time one can say "what the fuck?" Bob Woodward has gone from a respected journalist to a "right-wing hack" in the eyes of many of the media. They're turning on him en masse, a seemingly coordinated effort to suddenly marginalize and denigrate one of the most respected and tenured journalists of our time.

Oh, and when you're a Democrat-led administration and you've lost MSNBC, you've probably fucked up:



Anyone think the White House isn't way out of line here? Anyone think that wasn't a threat?

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This is way out of line. You should never attack the press when they are merely concerned about what is going on. Who cares if they don't agree with you, ignore it or, better yet, put out a well thought out response. But why do that right?

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One thing that has been so depressing about following politics lately is just how much the media had been in lock step with the administration. They rarely questioned them on anything of any real importance, just reported whatever they were told in press conferences. It's nice to see that maybe in this second term, more of the media will actually do their jobs and bring to light things that should be brought to light instead of just repeating whatever they are spoon fed by this administration.

As for this particular case from the OP, how anyone can not look at what he's saying and just have one of those "DOH" moments, I don't understand. It's not like he's making this stuff up. It's true.


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Bob Woodward is taking on the President. Again. Except this time they're fighting back. Well, threatening, anyway. "You will regret doing this," a senior White House official told him.

This is in response for him pointing out (and rightfully at that) that the President was the one behind sequestration in the first place, and saying it was "a kind of madness" for a president to say he couldn't deploy a carrier in support of operations because of a budget. In the amount of time one can say "what the fuck?" Bob Woodward has gone from a respected journalist to a "right-wing hack" in the eyes of many of the media. They're turning on him en masse, a seemingly coordinated effort to suddenly marginalize and denigrate one of the most respected and tenured journalists of our time.

Oh, and when you're a Democrat-led administration and you've lost MSNBC, you've probably fucked up:



Anyone think the White House isn't way out of line here? Anyone think that wasn't a threat?


For fuck's sake, Sailor, you're an author. Do you EVER research?

Here's the text of the email in which the "threat" occurred.

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From Gene Sperling to Bob Woodward on Feb. 22, 2013

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I apologize for raising my voice in our conversation today. My bad. I do understand your problems with a couple of our statements in the fall — but feel on the other hand that you focus on a few specific trees that gives a very wrong perception of the forest. But perhaps we will just not see eye to eye here.

But I do truly believe you should rethink your comment about saying saying that Potus asking for revenues is moving the goal post. I know you may not believe this, but as a friend, I think you will regret staking out that claim. The idea that the sequester was to force both sides to go back to try at a big or grand barain with a mix of entitlements and revenues (even if there were serious disagreements on composition) was part of the DNA of the thing from the start. It was an accepted part of the understanding — from the start. Really. It was assumed by the Rs on the Supercommittee that came right after: it was assumed in the November-December 2012 negotiations. There may have been big disagreements over rates and ratios — but that it was supposed to be replaced by entitlements and revenues of some form is not controversial. (Indeed, the discretionary savings amount from the Boehner-Obama negotiations were locked in in BCA: the sequester was just designed to force all back to table on entitlements and revenues.)

I agree there are more than one side to our first disagreement, but again think this latter issue is diffferent. Not out to argue and argue on this latter point. Just my sincere advice. Your call obviously.

My apologies again for raising my voice on the call with you. Feel bad about that and truly apologize.

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And of course, the email was referenced in Politico.

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Conservatives Regret Taking Woodward’s ‘Threat’ Story Seriously

Now that the correspondence between Bob Woodward and the White House has been revealed as tame and cordial, conservative commentators are reacting with disappointment to the veteran journalist's claim that he was threatened over his sequestration reporting.

Politico on Thursday posted the emails between Woodward and White House economic adviser Gene Sperling, who told Woodward, "as a friend, I think you will regret staking out that claim."

"Looks like we were played," The Daily Caller's Matt Lewis wrote Thursday morning.

RedState editor Erick Erickson was also surprised after reading the emails:

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And of course, the email was referenced in Politico.

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Conservatives Regret Taking Woodward’s ‘Threat’ Story Seriously

Now that the correspondence between Bob Woodward and the White House has been revealed as tame and cordial, conservative commentators are reacting with disappointment to the veteran journalist's claim that he was threatened over his sequestration reporting.

Politico on Thursday posted the emails between Woodward and White House economic adviser Gene Sperling, who told Woodward, "as a friend, I think you will regret staking out that claim."

"Looks like we were played," The Daily Caller's Matt Lewis wrote Thursday morning.

RedState editor Erick Erickson was also surprised after reading the emails:


How does any of that change the fact that a reporter is calling out the white house for obvious lies that other media are willingly ignoring, and for his efforts to get out the actual facts, the white house is putting some sort of pressure on him not to report the truth?

Threat or no threat, the white house is still shown attempting to get him to not write the truth, and other media are still following lock step with that agenda instead of reporting on said truths


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sutz wrote:
And of course, the email was referenced in Politico.

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Conservatives Regret Taking Woodward’s ‘Threat’ Story Seriously

Now that the correspondence between Bob Woodward and the White House has been revealed as tame and cordial, conservative commentators are reacting with disappointment to the veteran journalist's claim that he was threatened over his sequestration reporting.

Politico on Thursday posted the emails between Woodward and White House economic adviser Gene Sperling, who told Woodward, "as a friend, I think you will regret staking out that claim."

"Looks like we were played," The Daily Caller's Matt Lewis wrote Thursday morning.

RedState editor Erick Erickson was also surprised after reading the emails:


How does any of that change the fact that a reporter is calling out the white house for obvious lies that other media are willingly ignoring, and for his efforts to get out the actual facts, the white house is putting some sort of pressure on him not to report the truth?


Shh, the messenger is discredited, therefore his message is meaningless. Move along sir.


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Bob Woodward has been riding on past glory for decades. He had his moment in the sun. He's spent the last 40 years trying to get that back. He's been a bit of a hack for many years.

Truth? Maybe Pres Obama did come up with the sequester idea, but the Repubs went along. Hell, Boehner even claimed he got 98% of what he wanted in the deal. They voted for it, and as they control the House, it is their job to come up with something to avoid it. Obviously, they want it to happen or they would do just that. Their problem is nobody is letting them get away with blaming the Pres for them not doing their jobs.

As for not deploying a carrier because of budget constraints, it happens. Hell it happened to me back in 19-fucking-72. I don't recall an impending emergency or unfolding crisis that would demand immediate dispatch of that kind of resource. Perhaps I'm out of touch, but deploying a carrier is a large expense and it's cheaper to let current assets stay on station than to rotate a new one in, which is probably what we're talking about here. For a fucking Squid, that sounds pretty uninformed.

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Bob Woodward has been riding on past glory for decades. He had his moment in the sun. He's spent the last 40 years trying to get that back. He's been a bit of a hack for many years.

Truth? Maybe Pres Obama did come up with the sequester idea, but the Repubs went along. Hell, Boehner even claimed he got 98% of what he wanted in the deal. They voted for it, and as they control the House, it is their job to come up with something to avoid it. Obviously, they want it to happen or they would do just that. Their problem is nobody is letting them get away with blaming the Pres for them not doing their jobs.

As for not deploying a carrier because of budget constraints, it happens. Hell it happened to me back in 19-fucking-72. I don't recall an impending emergency or unfolding crisis that would demand immediate dispatch of that kind of resource. Perhaps I'm out of touch, but deploying a carrier is a large expense and it's cheaper to let current assets stay on station than to rotate a new one in, which is probably what we're talking about here. For a fucking Squid, that sounds pretty uninformed.


And yet you still only seem able to justify whatever the administration does. Just because you see an excuse for what is happening does that mean it shouldn't be reported? That is what the whitehouse is saying. Don't report this, and not only did they say it, they said it in what they themselves admit to be a "loud" phone call.

Whether you agree with the administration or not should be irrelevant, but some people can't get past their own love of one side over the other to be able to see that REPORTERS have the job to report the truth. That doesnt' happen much with this administration and that is just sad.


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Yes, I've seen the e-mail. There are plenty of other links floating around that I didn't link to. Sorry for failing to put an exhaustive list up. Still, the fact of the matter is he was threatened for failing to fall in lock step with this administration's rhetoric.

Don't agree with me? Fine. But just saying, as a mod, I think you will regret doing that.

(No, not really. Of course not really. But it's hard to imagine something like that not being a threat. Which is exactly my point.)

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Yes, I've seen the e-mail. There are plenty of other links floating around that I didn't link to. Sorry for failing to put an exhaustive list up. Still, the fact of the matter is he was threatened for failing to fall in lock step with this administration's rhetoric.

Don't agree with me? Fine. But just saying, as a mod, I think you will regret doing that.

(No, not really. Of course not really. But it's hard to imagine something like that not being a threat. Which is exactly my point.)


It's not hard at all to imagine it. In fact, it only becomes difficult when confirmation bias sneaks in.

By the way, no exhaustive list was necessary. But you're smart enough to know that context matters... and that original post strips a hell of a lot of context out of the line that's being perceived as a "threat."

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There are threats, and there are threats. In this case, I see someone apologizing for the 'loud' phone call, and then warning someone that he is on the wrong side of the issue and will 'regret' it because he will be publically discredited, which is what is happening. He tried to sensationalize what was a pretty mild reproof and now he's having to retract.

The media (including the 'respected' Bob Woodward) were pretty cowed during the Bush administration and failed to report lots of things. While it's nice to see them grow a bit of a spine now, they still have an obligation towards truth IMHO. Most of the Main$treamMedia are very much in ratings mode. I continue to SMH at the RW claims of 'liberal media bias' though. It'd be nice to see some of that.

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There are threats, and there are threats. In this case, I see someone apologizing for the 'loud' phone call, and then warning someone that he is on the wrong side of the issue and will 'regret' it because he will be publically discredited, which is what is happening. He tried to sensationalize what was a pretty mild reproof and now he's having to retract.

The media (including the 'respected' Bob Woodward) were pretty cowed during the Bush administration and failed to report lots of things. While it's nice to see them grow a bit of a spine now, they still have an obligation towards truth IMHO. Most of the Main$treamMedia are very much in ratings mode. I continue to SMH at the RW claims of 'liberal media bias' though. It'd be nice to see some of that.


Oh yea, the media NEVER questioned anything the Bush administration did. Granted, FOX news was sniffing the administrations butt back then, but most outlets were openly questioning tons of stuff, and rightfully so on most occasions. That is what their job is, to bring these things to the light of day. This has happened much less in this administration and that is sad.

Instead of just letting woodward run his story, the administration chose to not only make a loud and supposedly angry phone call (enough so that an apology was necessary), but they then, not so subtly, reminded him that he shouldn't run the story even in their apology email.

If this were a republican administration, you'd be all over it, but since it's not, you are instead defending the administration on all fronts.

Why not just let the guy write his story and let it be what it is? Why do you feel such a need to defend the administration over this? Don't you believe in a journalists right to put out a story that questions our politicians?


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Sutz, is there a tent in your pants due to the pleasure involved in defending Obama? Just curious.


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Wonder how many folks who are saying Bob Woodward is a washed-up hack for questioning the administration also applaud Bradley Manning in his "quest for reporting the truth".

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Bob Woodward is a washed-up hack. :sarcasm_off:


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You guys are funny. Nice shot at changing the subject. The fact is that Woodward lied when he tried to claim that the admin "moved the goalposts" when in fact they were re-stating what they had demanded all along, that revenue increases be included in the deal.

As for letting him run the story, I don't see anywhere that that was infringed. He ran it, it turns out to be bogus, and conserves all over are backing off from their 'support' of him. In the end, that is what is happening, not some bogus 'threat' from the White House. And if anybody thinks that Joe Scarborough (MSNBC) is some kind of leftist partisan, you should market what you're selling. Now that's it's becoming legal, you'll make a mint. ;)

As for Bradley Manning, yeah he broke the law. But his treatment has been shocking and IMHO unnecessarily harsh. Prosecute him, sure. But don't go medieval on him. That reflects badly on the country as a whole. It saddens me that this administration has continued some of the barbarity started and furthered by the previous one.

And I wouldn't waste a lot of time wondering what makes 'tents' in my pants Rollie. You couldn't possibly fathom it.

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Everybody's wrong but the administration. Understood.

This is the administrations message:



So essentially, less than a 2% reduction in spending, pro-rated over the next few years, could result in losses of up to 113% of American jobs.

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Well, Maxine Waters is not part of the 'administration.' She's a congresswoman. She mis-spoke, to be sure. I believe the number is actually 170,000, which is bad enough on a short term basis. Basically, that is taking one to one and a half month of job growth out of the economy. Several agencies have announced cutbacks and possible furloughs for personnel.

And I could probably make very similar hyperbolic comments about those who attack the administration, and those who disagree with them on individual issues. Usually, those kinds of personal attacks are more an admission of being on the wrong side of an issue in my personal experience. :)

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There is twice the amount of money needed tied up in horrible pork projects. An eighth-grader could find cuts that wouldn't affect anyone's livelihood. But this isn't about finding cuts. It's about scaring and bullying the American public into going along with what this administration wants. Bob Woodward called the President on it and is being blackballed because of it. Brit Hume has also said similar things, but I suppose he's a hack too.

Face it, it's nothing more than towing the party line. And if you don't, you should be "put out to pasture," to use the words of Obama's guy David Plouffe.

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