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 Post subject: Re: What are your thoughts on minimum wage increase to $9.00?
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Great, I know a Mexican immigrant (don't worry Sailor, he's legal) who is willing it to do for $8.


Whatevz, I'm just going to go play Black Ops and sit on my mom's couch.


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I think that if you look at a list of jobs that pay minimum wage, whatever number it is, you'll see some jobs that are probably worth more than what they are being paid (yes, even for Mexicans). I don't believe front counter at a Dairy Queen is one of them.

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I think that if you look at a list of jobs that pay minimum wage, whatever number it is, you'll see some jobs that are probably worth more than what they are being paid (yes, even for Mexicans). I don't believe front counter at a Dairy Queen is one of them.



There's a good chance that every one of us here is 'overpaid'.

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I think that if you look at a list of jobs that pay minimum wage, whatever number it is, you'll see some jobs that are probably worth more than what they are being paid (yes, even for Mexicans). I don't believe front counter at a Dairy Queen is one of them.



There's a good chance that every one of us here is 'overpaid'.


Well, you clearly are. And I deduced that without knowing your age, experience or salary.

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I'm happily overpaid.

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The happy part is easily explained by your general ignorance. I don't really want the details on what you did to become overpaid.

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Please share my "ignorance".

I currently don't employ anyone who is at the minimum wage level however my co-founder owned an electronics retailer that I helped run a few years back that did employ several minimum wage workers. I'm well aware their worth as employees. They didn't earn 1/2 of what they were paid but just because they aren't worth a damn doesn't mean that I don't think they should be able to pay for their basic expenses.

Minimum wage should follow inflation. It hasn't.

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Minimum wage should follow inflation. It hasn't.


Ok, I have 2 questions for you: Do you believe that the minimum wage should be federally regulated? If you were in charge where would you set the minimum wage at right now?

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Minimum wage should follow inflation. It hasn't.


Ok, I have 2 questions for you: Do you believe that the minimum wage should be federally regulated? If you were in charge where would you set the minimum wage at right now?


I like what the US does in terms of setting a low federal minimum wage and then the states set a minimum wage based on cost of living and the like.

As far as what that wage should be? Good God, that would be something I would want to spend a ton of time on before I made a decision on what that would be. I don't even know that $7.25 isn't high enough, but I do know that arguing against raising the minimum wage on simple principle alone is incorrect.

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Zebulon Dak wrote:
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Minimum wage should follow inflation. It hasn't.


Ok, I have 2 questions for you: Do you believe that the minimum wage should be federally regulated? If you were in charge where would you set the minimum wage at right now?


I like what the US does in terms of setting a low federal minimum wage and then the states set a minimum wage based on cost of living and the like.

As far as what that wage should be? Good God, that would be something I would want to spend a ton of time on before I made a decision on what that would be. I don't even know that $7.25 isn't high enough, but I do know that arguing against raising the minimum wage on simple principle alone is incorrect.


Pretty much sums up how I feel as well.

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They didn't earn 1/2 of what they were paid but just because they aren't worth a damn doesn't mean that I don't think they should be able to pay for their basic expenses.



Why don't you just send them home and mail a check to them every week?

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They didn't earn 1/2 of what they were paid but just because they aren't worth a damn doesn't mean that I don't think they should be able to pay for their basic expenses.



Why don't you just send them home and mail a check to them every week?


Hey, less than 1/2 of what they were paid is still more than nothing. At least he got something out of them.

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They didn't earn 1/2 of what they were paid but just because they aren't worth a damn doesn't mean that I don't think they should be able to pay for their basic expenses.



Why don't you just send them home and mail a check to them every week?


I needed that 1/2 they were worth.

That company had shitty margins and the lease was ending so we stopped advertising. We decided when we had to renew the lease that we would just close down so we told all the employees they have jobs for two months and they can apply for other jobs whenever they wanted. By the end it was me, the other owner and one other employee still around. We had about $9000 worth of little packages of cables and weird shit no one ever bought (the owner's buyer before I took over that was an idiot). Sold it for $500 to another retailer and I think they still got screwed.

Anyways, I know this has nothing to do with the thread, just thought it was funny and odd two months.

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as good as the stock market, DOW and CEO pay are doing right now, surely they can afford to give more of the scraps to the surfs?


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as good as the stock market, DOW and CEO pay are doing right now, surely they can afford to give more of the scraps to the surfs?


That's quite deceptive, though. Those are snapshot indications of a few of the biggest, most flexible companies out there. Walmart could most probably afford to pay employees all nine plus. Smaller businesses aren't necessarily in the same position.

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as good as the stock market, DOW and CEO pay are doing right now, surely they can afford to give more of the scraps to the surfs?


That's quite deceptive, though. Those are snapshot indications of a few of the biggest, most flexible companies out there. Walmart could most probably afford to pay employees all nine plus. Smaller businesses aren't necessarily in the same position.


Walmart could give each of it's 2.2M employees a 7k raise/year and still be profitable.

Here nor there.

A small business would just have to adjust prices like every other business in the world. I would make a jump to $9 over 2 years if you were to do it to lessen the sudden impact.

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SonicHawk wrote:
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Axx wrote:
as good as the stock market, DOW and CEO pay are doing right now, surely they can afford to give more of the scraps to the surfs?


That's quite deceptive, though. Those are snapshot indications of a few of the biggest, most flexible companies out there. Walmart could most probably afford to pay employees all nine plus. Smaller businesses aren't necessarily in the same position.


Walmart could give each of it's 2.2M employees a 7k raise/year and still be profitable.

Here nor there.

A small business would just have to adjust prices like every other business in the world. I would make a jump to $9 over 2 years if you were to do it to lessen the sudden impact.


Another KEY component is that businesses are owned by capitalist. Capitalist only hire if they absolutely need to.
If they don't need to hire more people in order to keep profits maximized then they wont do so, that alone debunks trickle down myth.

Sure WalMart(And every large corporation out there) can pay its employees $9 an hour and still have a big profit margin like Costco.

But the main worry for MANY people is the smaller family owned restaurants will shut down as a result. Probably another tax cut for small businesses would help this one out a bit.

But i truly believe this is good for the economy, it helps adults who are in poverty slightly (not by much, i know) and it puts more money in people who play a big part in the consumer end of the economy which would be teenagers and their unlimited wants. More people with more money will increase demand all around force capitalist business owners to hire more people.


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