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 Post subject: Re: Sporting Rifle vs An Assualt Rifle?
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"Nothing could be further from the truth. 99% of gun owners are responsible poeple who take their personal safety seriously and would rather "Be Prepared" (scout motto) than find themselves in a situation without anyway of defending themselves."

Hey, JL! Where'd you get this '99%' figure? I'm sure 99% of gun owners 'think' they are 'responsible,' until there is an accident.

I'm sure this kid's dad thought he was an 'responsible' gun owner.....before he killed his son.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... s_kil.html

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LymonHawk wrote:
"Nothing could be further from the truth. 99% of gun owners are responsible poeple who take their personal safety seriously and would rather "Be Prepared" (scout motto) than find themselves in a situation without anyway of defending themselves."

Hey, JL! Where'd you get this '99%' figure? I'm sure 99% of gun owners 'think' they are 'responsible,' until there is an accident.

I'm sure this kid's dad thought he was an 'responsible' gun owner.....before he killed his son.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... s_kil.html

If this post seems harsh, it was intended so.


There are approximately 15,500 accidental shootings per year and approximately 50 million gun owners. if 1% were irresponsible then this would account for 500,000 accidental shootings. You'd have to have a stable number of shootings for over 30 years for those numbers to come out. So is 99% really that unfeasible?


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The problem isn't legal gun owners the problem is the complete availability of guns.

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 Post subject: Re: Sporting Rifle vs An Assualt Rifle?
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"Nothing could be further from the truth. 99% of gun owners are responsible poeple who take their personal safety seriously and would rather "Be Prepared" (scout motto) than find themselves in a situation without anyway of defending themselves."

Hey, JL! Where'd you get this '99%' figure? I'm sure 99% of gun owners 'think' they are 'responsible,' until there is an accident.

I'm sure this kid's dad thought he was an 'responsible' gun owner.....before he killed his son.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... s_kil.html

If this post seems harsh, it was intended so.


There are approximately 15,500 accidental shootings per year and approximately 50 million gun owners. if 1% were irresponsible then this would account for 500,000 accidental shootings. You'd have to have a stable number of shootings for over 30 years for those numbers to come out. So is 99% really that unfeasible?


Accidental shootings are only one figure. I bet Taz thinks he's a responsible gun owner...yet he left his weapon where someone could easily steal it. Is that being responsible?

According to you, yes. Some fuckin' felon is now the possessor of an SKS because Taz didn't take the care to properly secure his weapon. Now, hypothetically, let's say this felon shoots someone intentionally...this would not enter into your 'figures,' because it wasn't an accident. Que no?

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Accidental shootings are only one figure. I bet Taz thinks he's a responsible gun owner...yet he left his weapon where someone could easily steal it. Is that being responsible?

According to you, yes. Some fuckin' felon is now the possessor of an SKS because Taz didn't take the care to properly secure his weapon. Now, hypothetically, let's say this felon shoots someone intentionally...this would not enter into your 'figures,' because it wasn't an accident. Que no?


It's not "irresponsible" for you to leave the weapon in your home when it's burglarized. It would be irresponsible to not report it stolen.

Are you saying that you believe a gun owner is responsible for a thief breaking into his home and stealing a gun? I guess the bank or the store is responsible when someone comes and robs them of their cash too


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That's exactly what I'm saying. A responsible gun owner secures his weapon.

I do believe most gun accidents occur at home. No?

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LymonHawk wrote:
That's exactly what I'm saying. A responsible gun owner secures his weapon.

I do believe most gun accidents occur at home. No?


So then, it's the victim's fault when they are robbed. Why even punish the thief then? Let's just blame the victim.....ooh look at that chick in the short skirt, she's just asking for it....great theme you have running here


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LymonHawk wrote:
That's exactly what I'm saying. A responsible gun owner secures his weapon.

I do believe most gun accidents occur at home. No?



So let’s say for the sake of argument my car is stolen (hot-wired) out of my drive way, while I’m snoring away, and the criminal uses it in a crime that results in the death of another person. Am I to be held responsible?

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Why is kidhawk so damned afraid of change?


Why does 12evanf just make things up?


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kidhawk wrote:
LymonHawk wrote:
That's exactly what I'm saying. A responsible gun owner secures his weapon.

I do believe most gun accidents occur at home. No?


So then, it's the victim's fault when they are robbed. Why even punish the thief then? Let's just blame the victim.....ooh look at that chick in the short skirt, she's just asking for it....great theme you have running here


Stupid analogy. You're out in left field.

How about Smokin'? Is he a responsible gun owner? How about the folks who sold him guns? Are they responsible gun owners, too?

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LymonHawk wrote:
That's exactly what I'm saying. A responsible gun owner secures his weapon.

I do believe most gun accidents occur at home. No?



So let’s say for the sake of argument my car is stolen (hot-wired) out of my drive way, while I’m snoring away, and the criminal uses it in a crime that results in the death of another person. Am I to be held responsible?


Nope. But if you left your unsecured car with the keys in the ignition, and then there was an accident, yup, you'd hold some responsibility........just for argument's sake. :D

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kidhawk wrote:
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Why is kidhawk so damned afraid of change?


Why does 12evanf just make things up?


Why does kidhawk's breath smell like tuna?

My real name is Evan by the way, this 12evanf seems so formal.


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That's exactly what I'm saying. A responsible gun owner secures his weapon.

I do believe most gun accidents occur at home. No?


So then, it's the victim's fault when they are robbed. Why even punish the thief then? Let's just blame the victim.....ooh look at that chick in the short skirt, she's just asking for it....great theme you have running here


Stupid analogy. You're out in left field.

How about Smokin'? Is he a responsible gun owner? How about the folks who sold him guns? Are they responsible gun owners, too?


Where Smokin' buys his guns doesn't make him more or less responsible of a gun owner. As for the people who sold him the guns, who's to say. Some may be, others could be bangers off the streets, offloading stolen hardware since this was a "no questions asked" type of deal (not what I consider a gun owner if it's an illegal gun).

BTW, I looked some more and my numbers were off, it's 50 million homes. more like 80 million gun owners. Either way, I'd still say the number of responsible gun owners (fully abiding the laws) is very high compared to the minority of irresponsible ones


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Why is kidhawk so damned afraid of change?


Why does 12evanf just make things up?


Why does kidhawk's breath smell like tuna?


Why does your wife taste like tuna? Is that where I was supposed to go?

You are ridiculous


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Where Smokin' buys his guns doesn't make him more or less responsible of a gun owner. As for the people who sold him the guns, who's to say. Some may be, others could be bangers off the streets, offloading stolen hardware since this was a "no questions asked" type of deal (not what I consider a gun owner if it's an illegal gun).

BTW, I looked some more and my numbers were off, it's 50 million homes. more like 80 million gun owners. Either way, I'd still say the number of responsible gun owners (fully abiding the laws) is very high compared to the minority of irresponsible ones


Smokin bragging about taking advantage of a loophole under the nose of Seattle's finest makes him a degenerate but no less responsible of a gun owner, I agree.

The bottom line: you either agree or disagree there is a problem with gun violence in this country. You seem to disagree and honestly seem content with the status quo.

For those that agree it is a problem, solutions to limit the problem will have a negative effect on responsible gun owners to some degree. Gun control demands more responsibility be placed with gun ownership and I personally feel there is a long way to go until responsibility and accountability in gun sales and ownership are adequate in this country.


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Why does your wife taste like tuna? Is that where I was supposed to go?

You are ridiculous


Not at all, but thanks for suggesting you performed oral on my wife, you turd burglar.

Why does your ass smell like Smokin's breath?


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Where Smokin' buys his guns doesn't make him more or less responsible of a gun owner. As for the people who sold him the guns, who's to say. Some may be, others could be bangers off the streets, offloading stolen hardware since this was a "no questions asked" type of deal (not what I consider a gun owner if it's an illegal gun).

BTW, I looked some more and my numbers were off, it's 50 million homes. more like 80 million gun owners. Either way, I'd still say the number of responsible gun owners (fully abiding the laws) is very high compared to the minority of irresponsible ones


Just because there are a lot of responsible gun owners doesn't mean that gun ownership should be legal. It only takes a few to ruin it for all. This goes for just about everything.

It comes down to whether you think the government [the body that we elect and should serve for us] should protect us or whether you should protect yourself. I personally don't want to spend my life worrying about protecting myself from every possible danger.

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Well I completely fail to see how someone breaking into my house and stealing my gun makes me irresponsible. Now, if I have kids running around my house and my guns are not secure then I would say I was an irresponsible parent. Just like parents who don’t watch their little kids close enough to know that they have fallen into a pool (secured or not) in the backyard and drowned. That’s it damn it……………..pools should outlawed!!!!!!!

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Why does your wife taste like tuna? Is that where I was supposed to go?

You are ridiculous


Not at all, but thanks for suggesting you performed oral on my wife, you turd burglar.

Why does your ass smell like Smokin's breath?


What is your nose doing in my ass?

We can do this all day, but you really look stupid


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