When is the investigation going to start, who's going to do it and what will happen when a conclusion has been made by "someone". Everything we've seen so far is just childish political rhetoric and very desperate originally before the election. McCain and Graham are no match for BHO and they also got their asses handed them by Hillary as well. Graham and McCain are seething idiots who are shamefully and very embarrassingly attacking BHO and it's simply killing their own reputations and legacies. I used to respect John McCain and actually like Graham but now it's just good reality television every time they get on camera.
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Post subject: Re: What we learned from Benghazi hearings
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:14 am
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Largent80 wrote:
Really, does all of this really matter?
There have been many embassy attacks for so many years, and if you are dumb enough to go into hostile territory during war time or times and places where foreign policy is in question then it is on you. How can one person be responsible for choices of many?
So, all those in Turkey, it's just their own fault?
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Post subject: Re: What we learned from Benghazi hearings
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:13 am
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DTexHawk wrote:
Largent80 wrote:
Really, does all of this really matter?
There have been many embassy attacks for so many years, and if you are dumb enough to go into hostile territory during war time or times and places where foreign policy is in question then it is on you. How can one person be responsible for choices of many?
So, all those in Turkey, it's just their own fault?
That was the fault of some YouTube video, unlike the one in Benghazi. The government said so itself.
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Post subject: Re: What we learned from Benghazi hearings
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:22 pm
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kidhawk wrote:
12evanf wrote:
kidhawk wrote:
You're the one using the word scandal here. I never said there was a scandal. I said there was some lies (factual misrepresentations if you will). I said there were mistakes made. I think that we deserve to get to the truth in this just as we do anytime something like this occurs. I'm not looking to impeach the president, I just want to know that we are going to fix the problems AND get justice for those who were killed
The truth came out, we are going after those responsible for the killings. You're just squawking that Obama didn't jump the gun earlier and call it terrorism from day one. Instead he waited for all of the information to come out and then decide. What a terrible, horrible leader.
Funny, you say he waited to decide, when truth is, his administration made the claims that it was the video until the press pushed the point and showed it was other than that, but that is not the point here. you like to pretend that's my point, and I guess that makes you feel better, but if you believe they've gotten all the facts on this already, you are wearing blinders
So says Fox News Channel........ Next!
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Post subject: Re: What we learned from Benghazi hearings
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:44 pm
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Sports Hernia wrote:
So says Fox News Channel........ Next!
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Post subject: Re: What we learned from Benghazi hearings
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:40 am
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Sports Hernia wrote:
So says Fox News Channel........ Next!
No, so said people within the Obama administration, after the attack, but of course, if you paid any attention to what I've written, that isn't the point of what I said. You obviously didn't read my entire post(s), or just ignored the parts where I said that this and every attack on US targets need to be looked at and investigated so we can learn from the mistakes we've made. But of course you don't care to see the mistakes of this administration, only mistakes you care about are those made by Republicans. Unlike you, some of us look at each of these situations similarly no matter what administration is in charge. Too bad people with such a bias like you are becoming more and more the norm.
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Post subject: Re: What we learned from Benghazi hearings
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:43 am
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I tried to find the videos of Clinton blaming the video, but couldn't find them. All I can find now is video of her taking full responsibility for the terrorist attack. I swear I remember seeing several of them, and in fact posting them here before. Now they seem to be nonexistent. Weird. I must be remembering things wrong. In fact, the more I think about it, yea, I am remembering things completely wrong. I remember now that she came out in the days after the attack and clearly said it was a terror attack, and that it had nothing to do with a video. In fact, I don't remember now that she ever mentioned a video at all.
I'm sure later I'll remember Jay Carney saying it wasn't the video at all too. For now, though, I do remember he said something about it.
Here's Carney on September 14, insisting that this was a terrorist attack:
Here's Carney on September 19, talking about how they've said from the very beginning it was definitely a terrorist attack:
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Post subject: Re: What we learned from Benghazi hearings
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:38 am
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No one cares about that Sailor. No one.
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Post subject: Re: What we learned from Benghazi hearings
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:43 am
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No one cares about that Sailor. No one.
You're right. No one cares. I mean, what difference does it make, anyway? In fact, I'm beginning to forget all about it too. In a week or two, I'll forget a video was even mentioned as a "possible" culprit for all this. And in a month, I won't even remember what happened. Hell, a year from now, I probably won't even be able to place Benghazi on a map.
And then all will be well. I will have at last achieved a victory over myself, ending my previous "stubborn, self-willed exile" from reality.
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Post subject: Re: What we learned from Benghazi hearings
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:11 pm
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SonicHawk wrote:
No one cares about that Sailor. No one.
Why should anyone care that Americans died in a planned terrorist attack vs. a protest gone out of control? Why should we not look into this and find out EXACTLY why more wasn't done earlier when warning signs were there ahead of time? Why not find out how come people in the administration who effed this up are on PAID leave because we can't fire them? Yeah, who cares, as long as the guy I voted for is in office
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Post subject: Re: What we learned from Benghazi hearings
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:40 pm
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kidhawk wrote:
SonicHawk wrote:
No one cares about that Sailor. No one.
Why should anyone care that Americans died in a planned terrorist attack vs. a protest gone out of control? Why should we not look into this and find out EXACTLY why more wasn't done earlier when warning signs were there ahead of time? Why not find out how come people in the administration who effed this up are on PAID leave because we can't fire them? Yeah, who cares, as long as the guy I voted for is in office
Fuck.
Seriously, it's very hard to read the same shit every time you reply.
No one is suggesting that we shouldn't investigate this to find out all the answers. That is the exact reason why we don't blame the video anymore! Oh, what do you know, they were wrong and it had nothing to do with the video. Doesn't that prove that they are investigating this?
The media wanted answers and unfortunately at this same time there had been riots/protests at our embassies regarding this film it seemed logical if not obvious that this could have been the reason.
And you still don't know if these people screwed up or just unfortunately with our procedures made a decision that turned out to put our citizens in danger. You think they should just fire people to make scapegoats? Is that how you think our system should work? As long as someone gets fired it makes up for the loss of our ambassador?
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Post subject: Re: What we learned from Benghazi hearings
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:41 pm
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Kid, your memories of this are false. It was never about a protest gone out of control, or about a video. In fact, I don't even remember anyone talking about a video. That video doesn't exist, and it was never talked about. The administration acted admirably and quickly by not acting, and thus putting more Americans' lives in harms way. If they'd have tried to send any reinforcements or aid, more people would have been killed. So really, the State Department under Hillary Clinton's expert guidance actually saved lives that night.
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Post subject: Re: What we learned from Benghazi hearings
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:46 pm
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SonicHawk wrote:
kidhawk wrote:
SonicHawk wrote:
No one cares about that Sailor. No one.
Why should anyone care that Americans died in a planned terrorist attack vs. a protest gone out of control? Why should we not look into this and find out EXACTLY why more wasn't done earlier when warning signs were there ahead of time? Why not find out how come people in the administration who effed this up are on PAID leave because we can't fire them? Yeah, who cares, as long as the guy I voted for is in office
Fuck.
Seriously, it's very hard to read the same shit every time you reply.
No one is suggesting that we shouldn't investigate this to find out all the answers. That is the exact reason why we don't blame the video anymore! Oh, what do you know, they were wrong and it had nothing to do with the video. Doesn't that prove that they are investigating this?
The media wanted answers and unfortunately at this same time there had been riots/protests at our embassies regarding this film it seemed logical if not obvious that this could have been the reason.
And you still don't know if these people screwed up or just unfortunately with our procedures made a decision that turned out to put our citizens in danger. You think they should just fire people to make scapegoats? Is that how you think our system should work? As long as someone gets fired it makes up for the loss of our ambassador?
You do realize you're not the only one in this thread right? There are others in here who are saying that it doesn't matter what happened and we should just move on. You, with this particular post seemed to be adding on to those, if not, then so be it, but you can't say that people aren't all behind an investigation. There are people in this very forum who would rather we just move on from it.
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