I don't really know where to begin with an answer.
The short answer: China has a completely different world view than the Western democracies do, see themselves as outside the norms of how international affairs have worked wince the height of the British Empire and stuff suffer a persecution complex after how they were treated by the West and Japan during the nadir of their power from roughly the First Opium War to 1949.

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Don't forget how the Chinese probably haven't forgotten the atrocities done to them during WWII by Japan. Since we are now allies with Japan this doesn't make the Chinese love us much either.

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2013 AAR: Chris Harper

worst then getting two atom bombs dropped on their cities? Japan didnt take to long to forgive us. Neither did Germany.

China is neither Japan or Germany, and what the Japanese did to them was fucking horrible. Do some research on that and then see if you still think they'd forgive the Japanese and anyone who is their ally.

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2013 AAR: Chris Harper

Thats why I mentioned Japan and up to 1949..

One gets the feeling when in China that they could possibly move on.. except that the government wont let them. Chinese learn to hate Japan in school..severely. There are cracks in the hate and more and more Chinese are studying in Japan and realizing Japan in 2013 is nothing like the Japan theyve been taught about.. but still it doesnt take much to create anti Japanese riots in China to which the government turns a blind eye. With no ideology to lean on anymore the ruling party needs to depend on nationalism and scape goating (as all fascist governments do) to maintain their status.

The average Chinese actually seems to respect the US, though they still have a persecution complex and even the man on the street gets annoyed that the US defends Taiwan. Living in Japan, the average person is fairly non political..but Ive been in a KFC in Hangzhou and had 3 university students sit down with me and ask me why the US interferes in their "domestic affairs" when it comes to Taiwan..

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China doesnt begrudge the US being an ally of Japan.. its primary beef with the US is the US enforcing what they consider an outdated world political and economic system that benefits the US. As I wrote in my previous post.. the Chinese people by and large hate Japan.. because theyve been taught to. If they had a normal education, there would still be ill will Im sure but not like now. Just as most Jews have forgiven Germany, China would have moved on. China doesnt do the "any friend of Japan also gets our hate"..because its not practical and the hate isnt really genuine, its a political tool for the ruling party.

The Japanese forgiveness of the US for the bombs shows a difference in culture. Traditionally in Japan, the victor isnt just victorious, he is "right". Moreover, the US then occupied Japan and rewrote history text books. Japanese are only vaguely aware of WWII history, etc. They choose not to linger on it. (before anyone gets all high and mighty on that please reflect on the treatment the conquest of the American Indians, Hawaii, the Philippinese are given in US textbooks).

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We have first strike capability against China. They do not have missiles that can reach here. They should never have been allowed to get to this point though.

we really dont have any reason to go into war with china, We could easily kill all the north koreans with 1 atomic bomb but China is still there body guard. The thing about that is since we signed some paper with NATO that no one will use nuclear weapons ever again.

China DOES have missiles that can reach the US and has for decades. Of late their ICBM force has been upgrades and expanded as well.
But why would you do casually just toss out this course of action?

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If we were to hit their locations and facilities first, their ability to fight back would be crippled. We also have SDI, which would be able to intercept any of their remaining missiles.

They are strangling our economy.

Also, they allow North Korea to put out videos like this....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/fe ... ity-flames

They are strangling the US economy? By buying US bonds, and selling products at competitive prices? So.. they supply products that the US population wants to buy.. and buys the bonds the US government needs them to buy..so you want to ..nuke them for it?

You realize China is HUGE, right? You cant simply "hit their facilities" first..they arent Iraq or Afghanistan. Yes, the US could get in a severe blow to China if it came to nuclear fucking war..but no, we couldnt get ALL their missiles (they also have SSBNs by the way..better make sure you know where all of them are as well)...and our missile defense isnt meant for shooting down multiple ICBMs. It wouldnt get all of them. Not even close.

And what a weird thing to say .. they "allow" N. Korea to put out ridiculous videos? N. Korea is a sovereign country. China is its only friend, but China doesnt control N. Korea.. and even its amount of influence is fairly low.

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Have you guys seen the articles about parents eating their children in North Korea? Can that possibly be true? It seems so unbelievable I can't even fathom it.

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After seeing some of their videos where there was mass weeping after the death of Kim Jong Il, nothing would surprise me. Those people have basically no contact with the outside world and are brainwashed much the way Germany was under Hitler.

Of course, America and the West are the cause of their suffering, not their own regime. That's what the government has them believing.

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Dennis Rodman is a fucking moron. He's an embarrassment as a citizen and a human.

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Yep, that pretty much sums up my feelings on that twat as well

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2013 AAR: Chris Harper

Something needs to be done. Even if the Chinaman does not like it.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013 ... tack?lite=

WTF? Thats twice in a week people have used racist terms and no one calls them on it.. its always been a problem on this board.. but its just odd to me. you cant be racist against blacks ..but Arabs and now apparently the Chinese..then its ok? and spare me the "its not racist" protest..yea, the term "Chinaman" is. Everyone knows the context it has always been used in.

In any case Riggo..what is it you think "needs to be done"? Every time a country says its going to hurt the US you want to go invade? How many times have you wanted to invade Venezuela, Cuba, Libya, Iran, Iraq, Syria, etc over the past 15 years?

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All North Korea has done is bark, I don't see a bite coming from them.

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They CANT bite..theyve got nothing to bite with essentially. By weight of numbers their army is something to reckon with..but their air force is largely grounded (go on googlemaps and you can see tarmacs of rusting Mig-23s, Mig-21s and Mig-17s), their navy isnt allocated any oil.. theyve got 6 nukes perhaps..that could maybe be delivered by a Badger or 2 if theyve kept any serviceable..

Apparently recent war games indicate that the North would lose the next war within 48 hours.

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