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Post subject: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment  Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:53 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:56 pm |
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I wonder if I could register as an illegal and claim the benefit even though I'm a citizen. No documentation, right? Lets double dip that tax payer chip!!
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Post subject: Re: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:14 pm |
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Did anybody even read it? Quote: Assembly Bill 35 targets a select group of undocumented immigrants, participants in President Barack Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, who came to the United States as youths and have lived generally productive lives for numerous years. Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/12/504819 ... 20Politics#storylink=cpy Pretty narrowly targeted to the kids brought here by their parents if I read that correctly. I don't think I have a problem with this.
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Post subject: Re: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:17 pm |
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sutz wrote: I don't think I have a problem with this. That's a shocker.  Now, it's the kids. Give it another few years, it'll be illegal aliens that have "demonstrated living here for 3+ years" or some crap, and eventually it'll get shifted to all illegals. Unless you're dumb enough to think it would actually stop at this.
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Post subject: Re: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:19 pm |
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sutz wrote: Did anybody even read it? Quote: Assembly Bill 35 targets a select group of undocumented immigrants, participants in President Barack Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, who came to the United States as youths and have lived generally productive lives for numerous years. Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/12/504819 ... 20Politics#storylink=cpy Pretty narrowly targeted to the kids brought here by their parents if I read that correctly. I don't think I have a problem with this. Isn't the end result of the dream act the ability to stay in this country legally? To work legally? To be able to collect benefits legally? Isn't this the whole idea? If so, then what's the point to giving them the benefits before they are due? Why not let them actually make it through the program and work here legally before collecting unemployment benefits? Especially coming from a state as severely hampered by financial problems as California.
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Post subject: Re: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:41 pm |
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Unless I missed something, the DREAM act hasn't actually been passed. Did I miss something?
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Post subject: Re: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:01 pm |
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Snohomie wrote: Unless I missed something, the DREAM act hasn't actually been passed. Did I miss something? I don't know the actual status of the program, but I've read several different articles this year about people who qualify, being able to apply to the program.
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Post subject: Re: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:02 pm |
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The DREAM act has not passed. The Republicans would not allow a vote. President Obama has done some things through executive action, but the bill is not law yet. Roland wrote: That's a shocker. Now, it's the kids. Give it another few years, it'll be illegal aliens that have "demonstrated living here for 3+ years" or some crap, and eventually it'll get shifted to all illegals.
Unless you're dumb enough to think it would actually stop at this.
Well, short of rounding up and deporting 10-12 million people, some form of amnesty program will be the only option short of allowing the status quo to continue. So, yeah, I guess I'm just that dumb. 
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Post subject: Re: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:19 pm |
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It's all part of the Bilderberger plan to create a North American Union, The Amero (currency), and eventual one world government...
Unlike most conspiracy theorists though, I think that's a good thing. A United Earth is the only way to protect ourselves from eventual invasion from Nibiru.
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Post subject: Re: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:28 am |
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sutz wrote: The DREAM act has not passed. The Republicans would not allow a vote. President Obama has done some things through executive action, but the bill is not law yet. Roland wrote: That's a shocker. Now, it's the kids. Give it another few years, it'll be illegal aliens that have "demonstrated living here for 3+ years" or some crap, and eventually it'll get shifted to all illegals.
Unless you're dumb enough to think it would actually stop at this.
Well, short of rounding up and deporting 10-12 million people, some form of amnesty program will be the only option short of allowing the status quo to continue. So, yeah, I guess I'm just that dumb. The specific issue here isn't whether we should give them legal status or not. It's should we continue to give illegals benefits like this? However, maybe if we stopped helping them out, the flow into the US would be slower. It's no secret that the US is struggling to help those that are here legally. Extending programs like this can only exacerbate the problem. The minimum weekly benefit in California is $50 per week. Pay that to 400,000 illegal immigrants and the state of California is handing out $20,000,000 a week MINIMUM to people who aren't playing by the rules. That amounts to $1,040,000,000 per year. If anything, if I was a citizen of California I would be saying WTF over a representative willing to spend that kind of money. My first question would be "Dude, are you so fucking out of touch that spending another billion dollars is of no concern to you?" Given California's fiscal problems, this is a bad bad bad decision. Correct me if I am wrong here, but isn't unemployment benefits paid out of a pool that the worker paid into? So what happens here? Legal workers have to risk their contributions?
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Post subject: Re: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:16 am |
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I was against this from reading the article posted. I was like "well that sounds stupid!" This bill strictly targets Deferred Action immigrants. Deferred Action for Children qualifications defined by the Department of Homeland Security Quote: You may request consideration of deferred action for childhood arrivals if you:
1.Were under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012;
2.Came to the United States before reaching your 16th birthday;
3.Have continuously resided in the United States since June 15, 2007, up to the present time;
4.Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making your request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS;
5.Entered without inspection before June 15, 2012, or your lawful immigration status expired as of June 15, 2012;
6.Are currently in school, have graduated or obtained a certificate of completion from high school, have obtained a general education development (GED) certificate, or are an honorably discharged veteran of the Coast Guard or Armed Forces of the United States; and
7.Have not been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor, three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety.
When I am playing politician my motto is "do the right thing." I don't see how these people shouldn't receive the same rights as people born on US soil. They were brought here by their parents, don't have felonies, are in school/graduated/GED, or are honorably discharged veterans. Argue how these people are money grubbing sponges now... 
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Post subject: Re: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:22 am |
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I don't have any clue to what this law actually does. Is this extending the benefits to ALL these people, or is it just giving the unemployment insurance benefit to those who have earned it by working and paying taxes like the rest of us?
If it's the former, then the law is STUPID and unnecessary
If it's the latter, then I have no problem with it. If you paid into unemployment you should receive standard benefit as properly applied (Extended benefits for how long is another argument for another thread)
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Post subject: Re: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:30 am |
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kidhawk wrote: I don't have any clue to what this law actually does. Is this extending the benefits to ALL these people, or is it just giving the unemployment insurance benefit to those who have earned it by working and paying taxes like the rest of us?
If it's the former, then the law is STUPID and unnecessary
If it's the latter, then I have no problem with it. If you paid into unemployment you should receive standard benefit as properly applied (Extended benefits for how long is another argument for another thread) Quote: (2) Commencing January 1, 2013, state law provides that any
federal document demonstrating favorable action by the federal
government for acceptance of a person into this deferred action
program shall satisfy specified requirements for the purposes of
being authorized to receive an original driver's license from the
Department of Motor Vehicles, as described.
This bill would provide that these provisions also apply for the
purposes of being authorized to receive a California identification
cards.
(3) Existing law provides for various public benefits, including,
but not limited to, public social services such as CalWORKs,
Medi-Cal, and CalFresh. Existing law provides that funds are
continuously appropriated from the General Fund for the state's share
of certain public social services programs, such as CalWORKs.
Existing law also provides for unemployment compensation benefits to
eligible persons who are unemployed through no fault of their own.
It provides access to ID cards or driver's licenses to these people. Then access to social programs for eligible recipients. It basically grants them a type of citizenship from how I interpret it, but the bill doesn't specifically say that. Link to the bill.
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Post subject: Re: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:37 pm |
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I'm prettty sure NOBIDY gets unemployment unless and until they have worked at a job and paid into the program, or had employers pay into it for them. That's kind of the definition of unemployment insurance. In fact, when I moved back to WA in 2005 I was unemployed. I did not qualify for UI because I hadn't worked in the state for a few years. I had to work for some time before I was eligible. Somehow I doubt that this action changes the eligibility rules in that way.
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Post subject: Re: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:20 pm |
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sutz wrote: I'm prettty sure NOBIDY gets unemployment unless and until they have worked at a job and paid into the program, or had employers pay into it for them. That's kind of the definition of unemployment insurance. In fact, when I moved back to WA in 2005 I was unemployed. I did not qualify for UI because I hadn't worked in the state for a few years. I had to work for some time before I was eligible. Somehow I doubt that this action changes the eligibility rules in that way. Since they cannot technically work here legally, exactly how do they pay into the program before they are given permission to be here? Personally, I don't really care what California does, they have every right to squander their dollars as they see fit, but they just better not come asking for some bailout while they continue to spend spend spend.
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Post subject: Re: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:00 pm |
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kidhawk wrote: sutz wrote: I'm prettty sure NOBIDY gets unemployment unless and until they have worked at a job and paid into the program, or had employers pay into it for them. That's kind of the definition of unemployment insurance. In fact, when I moved back to WA in 2005 I was unemployed. I did not qualify for UI because I hadn't worked in the state for a few years. I had to work for some time before I was eligible. Somehow I doubt that this action changes the eligibility rules in that way. Since they cannot technically work here legally, exactly how do they pay into the program before they are given permission to be here? Quote: Personally, I don't really care what California does, they have every right to squander their dollars as they see fit, but they just better not come asking for some bailout while they continue to spend spend spend. I agree. It seems like, wait for it, a state's rights issue in any event. 
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Post subject: Re: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:49 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:28 pm |
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Why does anyone care? Aside from jealousy or racism, of course?
The % of our tax dollars, has to be less than .00000001%. The % of YOUR tax dollars, astronomical.
Another shiny object for to distract the rubes.
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Post subject: Re: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:59 pm |
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pehawk wrote: Why does anyone care? Aside from jealousy or racism, of course?
The % of our tax dollars, has to be less than .00000001%. The % of YOUR tax dollars, astronomical.
Another shiny object for to distract the rubes. Hate to tell you, those .000000001% figures add up. Rather quickly. What, you think it's only rich people's tax dollars that get us trillions of dollars into debt? Please tell me you don't believe that.
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Post subject: Re: Illegal Aliens May Be Able To Collect Unemployment Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:02 pm |
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I think the fact .0000000001% of tax "waste" is a major focus of people show we're a dumb fucking country. Its like Doug from Up seeing a squirrel.
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