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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:54 pm |
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SmokinHawk wrote: I'm going to throw a party, knowing that there are 500 fewer potential Darwin Award winners out there.
MERCER, Pa. (AP) — A 7-year-old boy had been buckling himself into his safety seat in the back of his father's truck when he was shot to death after a handgun accidentally went off as his father got in the front seat, police said Sunday. Joseph V. Loughrey, 44, told police he had been trying to sell the guns Saturday at Twigs Reloading Den in East Lackawannock Township, 60 miles north of Pittsburgh. He unloaded the magazine at home, but didn't realize a bullet was still in the chamber, Lt. Eric Hermick said. His son, Craig Allen Loughrey, was shot in the chest and died at the scene.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:58 pm |
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12evanf wrote: SmokinHawk wrote: I'm going to throw a party, knowing that there are 500 fewer potential Darwin Award winners out there. quote]
MERCER, Pa. (AP) — A 7-year-old boy had been buckling himself into his safety seat in the back of his father's truck when he was shot to death after a handgun accidentally went off as his father got in the front seat, police said Sunday.
Joseph V. Loughrey, 44, told police he had been trying to sell the guns Saturday at Twigs Reloading Den in East Lackawannock Township, 60 miles north of Pittsburgh. He unloaded the magazine at home, but didn't realize a bullet was still in the chamber, Lt. Eric Hermick said. His son, Craig Allen Loughrey, was shot in the chest and died at the scene. If you are expecting this to have some sort of emotional impact on me, you're sorely mistaken. I truly view these sorts of "accidents" as evolution in action. It sucks the kid had to die because his father's an imbecile, but being his offspring, the kid was probably going to grow up to be an imbecile as well. Fuck 'em both. This is one incident, surely not enough to be indicative of an issue at large. Swing and a miss, young man.
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12evanf
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:59 pm |
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SmokinHawk wrote: I'm going to throw a party, knowing that there are 500 fewer potential Darwin Award winners out there.
An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair. The boy lost control of the weapon while firing it Sunday at the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo at the Westfield Sportsman’s Club, police Lt. Lawrence Vallierpratte said. Police said the boy, Christopher Bizilj of Ashford, Conn., was with a certified instructor and called the death a “self-inflicted accidental shooting.” As the boy fired the Uzi, "the front end of the weapon went up with the backfire and he ended up receiving a round in his head," police Lt. Hipolito Nunez said. The boy died at a hospital.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:02 pm |
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12evanf wrote: SmokinHawk wrote: I'm going to throw a party, knowing that there are 500 fewer potential Darwin Award winners out there.
An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair. The boy lost control of the weapon while firing it Sunday at the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo at the Westfield Sportsman’s Club, police Lt. Lawrence Vallierpratte said. Police said the boy, Christopher Bizilj of Ashford, Conn., was with a certified instructor and called the death a “self-inflicted accidental shooting.” As the boy fired the Uzi, "the front end of the weapon went up with the backfire and he ended up receiving a round in his head," police Lt. Hipolito Nunez said. The boy died at a hospital. Once again, evolution in action. The idiot children of idiot parents can, and will, die through acts of idiocy, be it their own idiocy, or the idiocy of their parents who are allowing them to fire a machinegun (which, by the way, is not the same thing as an assault rifle and is already very heavily regulated).
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:16 pm |
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SmokinHawk wrote: I'm going to throw a party, knowing that there are 500 fewer potential Darwin Award winners out there.
MINNEAPOLIS — A five-year-old boy was killed Tuesday morning by someone who fired gunshots into a north Minneapolis home, police say. Family members say the boy was sleeping on a living room couch when a bullet came through the wall and fatally wounded him. Police say they don't have anyone in custody yet, but are making progress in the investigation. Robert Tolliver says his nephew, Nizeal Banks, liked to ride his bike, swim and play in the park. Banks was two months away from his sixth birthday. Neighbors on the 4500 block of Bryant Avenue knew and liked the little boy, Tolliver said.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:21 pm |
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12evanf wrote: SmokinHawk wrote: I'm going to throw a party, knowing that there are 500 fewer potential Darwin Award winners out there.
MINNEAPOLIS — A five-year-old boy was killed Tuesday morning by someone who fired gunshots into a north Minneapolis home, police say. Family members say the boy was sleeping on a living room couch when a bullet came through the wall and fatally wounded him. Police say they don't have anyone in custody yet, but are making progress in the investigation. Robert Tolliver says his nephew, Nizeal Banks, liked to ride his bike, swim and play in the park. Banks was two months away from his sixth birthday. Neighbors on the 4500 block of Bryant Avenue knew and liked the little boy, Tolliver said. Gun bans won't stop this sort of crime from happening. Nice try, though.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:24 pm |
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SmokinHawk wrote: Gun bans won't stop this sort of crime from happening. Nice try, though. My goal isn't to sway your opinion. My goal is to illustrate the 500 lbs of human garbage that you are.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:29 pm |
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12evanf wrote: SmokinHawk wrote: Gun bans won't stop this sort of crime from happening. Nice try, though. My goal isn't to sway your opinion. My goal is to illustrate the 500 lbs of human garbage that you are. rofl. Ok junior, whatever you say. Go watch your MTV, or better yet, in a display of utter hypocrisy, go watch a violent movie, preferably one with lots of glorified gun use. If you think I'm human garbage because I won't shuck my 2nd Amendment rights (and yes, they are an individual right, per the Supreme Court decision in Heller vs. District of Columbia) on a knee jerk reaction to an isolated incident of horrific violence, so be it. You aren't going to hurt my feelings.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:31 pm |
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SmokinHawk wrote: rofl. Ok junior, whatever you say. Go watch your MTV, or better yet, in a display of utter hypocrisy, go watch a violent movie, preferably one with lots of glorified gun use.
If you think I'm human garbage because I won't shuck my 2nd Amendment rights (and yes, they are an individual right, per the Supreme Court decision in Heller vs. District of Columbia) on a knee jerk reaction to an isolated incident of horrific violence, so be it. You aren't going to hurt my feelings. No, you are garbage for celebrating the death of children. A big, fat piece of garbage. I have a wife and child I go home to. You have a gun. I know who the winner and loser here is.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:33 pm |
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Smokin, your responses are WHY the anti-second amendment people will eventually win. It's par for the La Pierre course, which frightens the mainstream rubes.
Jus sayin'
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:40 pm |
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SmokinHawk wrote: 12evanf wrote: SmokinHawk wrote: Gun bans won't stop this sort of crime from happening. Nice try, though. My goal isn't to sway your opinion. My goal is to illustrate the 500 lbs of human garbage that you are. rofl. Ok junior, whatever you say. Go watch your MTV, or better yet, in a display of utter hypocrisy, go watch a violent movie, preferably one with lots of glorified gun use. If you think I'm human garbage because I won't shuck my 2nd Amendment rights (and yes, they are an individual right, per the Supreme Court decision in Heller vs. District of Columbia) on a knee jerk reaction to an isolated incident of horrific violence, so be it. You aren't going to hurt my feelings. Isolated... eh? The discussion about the removal of guns has nothing to do with Sandy Hook. Just got us talking. It's a catalyst. With our current gun control laws there are 11,000 murders with firearms each year. The highest (per capita) of any first world nation. So yeah, you can either pretend that guns aren't a direct variable in the violence equation or you can, you know, be smart.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:02 pm |
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SonicHawk wrote: SmokinHawk wrote: 12evanf wrote: My goal isn't to sway your opinion. My goal is to illustrate the 500 lbs of human garbage that you are. rofl. Ok junior, whatever you say. Go watch your MTV, or better yet, in a display of utter hypocrisy, go watch a violent movie, preferably one with lots of glorified gun use. If you think I'm human garbage because I won't shuck my 2nd Amendment rights (and yes, they are an individual right, per the Supreme Court decision in Heller vs. District of Columbia) on a knee jerk reaction to an isolated incident of horrific violence, so be it. You aren't going to hurt my feelings. Isolated... eh? The discussion about the removal of guns has nothing to do with Sandy Hook. Just got us talking. It's a catalyst. With our current gun control laws there are 11,000 murders with firearms each year. The highest (per capita) of any first world nation. So yeah, you can either pretend that guns aren't a direct variable in the violence equation or you can, you know, be smart. It has nothing to do with proliferation and that has been statistically proven time and time again. We have a lot of poor people in this country, people living in conditions so disparaging that they need to resort to theft and robbery to make ends meet. Not surprisingly, the majority of firearm deaths (and murders in general, for that matter) occur in areas which are the most impoverished. The rest are fringe cases like Lanza, and that dick who performed the shooting in Colorado. For those guys, there is NOTHING which can be done to curb their tendencies, short of family members taking a more active interest in the mental health of their family members. The measures that you and people of your ilk are proponents of are little more than feel good measures which will have a negligible impact, at least until the next Congressional election. If you desire another ten years of Republican control of the House and Senate, continue directing your baseless vitriol at gun owners, because that is exactly what happened after the Brady Bill was passed in 1994. You would be a fool to think that couldn't happen again this time around.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:07 pm |
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You can argue all you want but I have a great example and you don't.
You can try to pretend that the UK is so very different but they aren't. Let's take their gun control laws. Let's see what happens. I guarantee firearm murders don't go up.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:11 pm |
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SonicHawk wrote: You can argue all you want but I have a great example and you don't.
You can try to pretend that the UK is so very different but they aren't. Let's take their gun control laws. Let's see what happens. I guarantee firearm murders don't go up. But then Smokin won't have anything to sleep with.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:17 pm |
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12evanf wrote: I have a wife and child I go home to. You have a gun. I know who the winner and loser here is. I have 43 students whom I've been charged to take care of and whom I would take a bullet for. Don't even try to hint that only people on your side have loved ones to take care of. You are not the one on the rational pedestal here. You are proving yourself to be more and more dishonest with every post you make.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:18 pm |
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SonicHawk wrote: You can argue all you want but I have a great example and you don't.
You can try to pretend that the UK is so very different but they aren't. Let's take their gun control laws. Let's see what happens. I guarantee firearm murders don't go up. I'll bet that they don't go down much either, considering that there are already hundreds of millions of guns in the USA. Short of an Orwellian reality where we have the secret police going door-to-door confiscating firearms (effectively, a prelude to civil war), what you are proposing is a complete fantasy. Sure, they have fewer incidents of gun violence, but what you are choosing to ignore is the fact that the UK has a substantially higher incidence of violent crime in general (this includes all types of weapons), the highest in the entire EU. In 2009, this figure was 2034 per 100,000 people, where at the time in the USA, the figure was 466 per 100,000 people. That is nearly five times higher than our own, so your "example" is fallacious in that it chooses to home in on just one subset of violent activity, when it should be analyzing violent crimes AS A WHOLE.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:22 pm |
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12evanf wrote: I have a wife and child I go home to. You have a gun. I know who the winner and loser here is. Not sure what my guns have to do with your child, but whatever. If your kid gets shot accidentally, it's because you're not a good parent. I have a girlfriend to come home to, along with two dogs, two cats, a saltwater tank full of tropical fish, and a 20 acre plot of land (a.k.a. "paradise") with a 3300 square foot house on the Columbia River. I realize that my life is probably nowhere near as fulfilling as yours, but at least it's mine. 
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:31 pm |
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MontanaHawk05 wrote: 12evanf wrote: I have a wife and child I go home to. You have a gun. I know who the winner and loser here is. I have 43 students whom I've been charged to take care of and whom I would take a bullet for. Don't even try to hint that only people on your side have loved ones to take care of. You are not the one on the rational pedestal here. You are proving yourself to be more and more dishonest with every post you make. No, I just have a disdain for Smokin. I tend to actually like you. You aren't a condescending prick and seem to have a well tuned moral compass.
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:35 pm |
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12evanf wrote: MontanaHawk05 wrote: 12evanf wrote: I have a wife and child I go home to. You have a gun. I know who the winner and loser here is. I have 43 students whom I've been charged to take care of and whom I would take a bullet for. Don't even try to hint that only people on your side have loved ones to take care of. You are not the one on the rational pedestal here. You are proving yourself to be more and more dishonest with every post you make. No, I just have a disdain for Smokin. I tend to actually like you. You aren't a condescending prick and seem to have a well tuned moral compass. Even though I'm a condescending prick, it doesn't make me wrong. 
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Post subject: Re: Gun control and violence Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:38 pm |
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SmokinHawk wrote: Even though I'm a condescending prick, it doesn't make me wrong.  Yes, your buffoonery is hilarious. Say more offensive shit now so people look at your fat ass.
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