I know I'm new to this forum, and pardon me for interrupting the deep thoughts of others, but it seems to me that we shouldn't be reliant on programs to make a difference. We should be the difference we seek. What the hell happened to personal responsibility? What happened to parental responsibility? I am a father of four and take great pride in educating my children on the things they (obviously) don't teach in schools anymore like how to take care of yourself, take responsibility of yourself and how to be humble, yet not be a victim. I teach my children to respect life. I teach them that their wants and desires are fine as long as they don't come at the expense of others. And somehow I find a way to do this while being a hunter and teaching my children responsible use and storage of firearms. IMHO I firmly belive that the problem with our great nation isn't that we have firearms, the problem is that a good portion of parents somehow thought that the system should be raising their kids for them instead of taking the time to take responsibility for what they have brought into the world. For the record, I am neither Republican or Democrat, and I think the Gov is doing a fine job of deviding the people. I am a veteran and a gun owner, though I don't see the need for AR type rifles in the hands of the civilian population, (besides, a man with a bolt action rifle and the skills to use it is better equipped anyway)or the need for extremely high capacity magazines on any weapon. I am a WA CPL holder and my sidearm of choice is a Ruger LCP. Purely a defensive handgun that I hope to never use, but I do know how to use it. I guess the moral of the story is, that until people can get their heads around personal responsibility and stop thinking that some government program is going to raise your kids for you/save the day/make your life more worth living, and on the other hand, stop thinking that all government imposed limitations are bad for liberty... (in other words, learn to compromise and use some damn common sense...) then we as a people are going to continue to see this thing we are a part of run itself into the ground.

It was not envisioned in the constitution because "the right to keep and bear arms" wasn't meant to apply to specific weapons. It was meant to give the people the ability to protect themselves with the same types of weaponry being used by those whom they might need protection from.

I can only hope Roland is joking when he says he wants teachers with guns.
just what the fuck

If you compare guns to cars or drugs in the context of killing you are an idiot. Not just a regular idiot, but a complete and utter idiot. That's really all I have to add to this thread.

If the problem is mental illness, then how are these people smart enough to obtain these weapons, know how to use them, arm themselves up with body armour etc.?

It is too easy to obtain weapons regardless of the state of mind. America is where the majority of gun rerlated violence happens and it is because we have allowed it to become this way.

America is where the majority of gun rerlated violence happens and it is because we have allowed it to become this way.

This is very hard to argue with. America is no different socially than most of the western world. Limiting access to guns is unlikely to make your life worse.

...we've used two nuclear weapons...

America is where the majority of gun rerlated violence happens and it is because we have allowed it to become
this way.

America is UTTERLY different socially than most of the western world. No country in Europe has anywhere near the ethnic diversity or immigration that we're trying to handle, nor even the size, population, or regional distinctiveness.

As far as Rob's ignorant definition of "mental illness", a lack of intelligence is completely different than an erosion of moral scruples.

If you compare guns to cars or drugs in the context of killing you are an idiot. Not just a regular idiot, but a complete and utter idiot. That's really all I have to add to this thread.

I haven't yet decided how serious I am on that score yet, or not. I do think it's wrong to "automatically discount" such an idea, though. Armed security guards at every entrance and exit wouldn't be a bad idea, with walk-through security scanners like the airports have; but, talk about expensive.

I've been seeing a ton of anti-gun rhetoric, and I think we'll see something drastic happen this time around regarding control and banning and such. It's going to happen. Private and government sentiment are largely for it. Take away our toys because we can't play with them right. And then guard our schools like Fort Fuckin' Knox, make the lil' guys like complete prisoners inside. And then when it happens again, what?

Fuck all is being said about why folks like this are going completely unnoticed until they explode, only to hear afterward that, yea, they had some serious issues nobody wanted to say shit about. God forbid we actually try to unfuck people. We're all special snowflakes, all different and unique in our own sometimes very twisted ways, and that's alright. Except that it's not.

As long as it is trained gaurds and preferably tazers im ok with it.

the idea they may be armed would influence how students perceive them.

Who says this would be a bad thing? Maybe if students gain a little respect for teachers, teachers can deal with them when they lash out in a better and more effective way, since their shitheel worthless parents aren't doing anything at home.

Who says this would be a bad thing? Maybe if students gain a little respect for teachers, teachers can deal with them when they lash out in a better and more effective way, since their shitheel worthless parents aren't doing anything at home.

Teaching children respect through threat of violent death. Amazing.