Largent80 wrote:Pick up multiple guitars while shopping and play what you can, and buy the one that feels most comfortable playing. This tip will save you a lot of time. The neck feel is very important.
Then remember, you GET what you pay for.
RolandDeschain wrote:I'm not in any rush to become good as fast as possible; and I certainly don't want to overdo it and burn out. Rocksmith doesn't need an amp, it comes with a 1/4" to USB cable you plug in to your computer and the sound goes through there. Even if you have poor speakers or headphones, (which I don't) the software will recognize exactly what you're really playing even if you can't hear the proper nuances.
sadhappy wrote:One last point I wanted to explore.
(I do recognize this analogy runs the risk of taking things off-topic, and I'm depending on people's better nature's with this) From a strictly financial perspective I think guitars are a lot like guns. This is how I see an entry level purchase.
Budget shopper: If you're on a tight budget you can get something that's reliable and reasonably accurate at a budget price, understanding that the fit finish and build quality aren't going to be all that. Because of variations and lesser quality control you really have to do your homework and evaluate the item on an individual basis to make sure you're getting a good one. If you have more time than money and aren't a collector type personality this a good strategy. I'm thinking tarus or ruger
Value shopper: A value shopper has less of a hard financial constraint, but because they're not an expert user, quality and ease of use at a fair price point is the strategy. Something that comes to mind would be a smith and Wesson revolver. If you're looking at glass case display, those revolvers are going to have a bigger price tag than most of the surrounding products. But the build quality/fit and finish is to a good spec so you know what you're getting, and if you look at the resale value, it's usually not much off the retail cost and because it's a desirable item it's easy to find a buyer if you want to sell it later.
I do think once you get past that value level you're in enthusiast territory and there's sharply diminishing returns. A PRS custom costs several times what an american standard strat costs and the differences would not be meaningful to a beginner. The cost difference between epiphone/squire level instruments and fender usa instrument is not huge, but the difference in quality is apparent even to a novice. But if you don't have the money you don't have the money and you can be patient and find yourself a good bargain without ending up with a piece of crap that you wish you hadn't tried to save a few bucks by buying.
Ok, that's all I got.
HawkWow wrote:Don't know much about this Epi-Dot...but the original, the Gibson ES-335 Dot-neck, is as fine a guitar as one could ask for. Especially for blues, rockabilly etc. It's a rather large bodied guitar but plays comfortably, standing or seated.
You would likely want to tear everything off, and out, then start over using quality components. The tuners for sure. ...100% certain they will be crap. You will hate life if you don't replace them instantly.
These are assembly line guitars but I imagine some are better than others. The inspector, likely some disgruntled fat chick known at the factory as Norma #116. And just like with Norma...anything can happen. If you find one you like...that's all that matters. Good luck and have fun.
HawkWow wrote:I am astonished by the low quality tuners some companies to continue to install on their guitars, GH. Frustrating for beginners, infuriating for the more experienced. I prefer the Schaller M6 (locking) tuners, under $100, but some may prefer the Grovers, etc. I don't consider myself an expert on such things, but we do have experts in this thread. I'd put their opinions above mine (just tryin' to help).
The pick-ups? You know, you may be fine with the stock ones. As a beginner, as long as they don't buzz and stuff, you may not feel compelled to upgrade. I'm a guy that has his head up his ass about stereo equipment, guitars etc. I probably don't even actually hear the subtle differences someone like Sad Happy (etc) would hear, but I always feel like I have to have everything as close to perfect as possible. I don't wish this on anyone.
IMO...grab the guitar and if you like the action, enjoy playing it and the pick-ups are putting out acceptable sound, I'd buy it and replace the tuners. A great thing about this guitar is you will get enough sound out of it's F-holes to not always have to plug it in to play it.
I'm sure someone here has something to add (or subtract from) to what I'm saying, so I will shut up and hope they do so. Aloha.
m0ng0 wrote:weird from what I have read it comes with grover tuners, http://www.epiphone.com/Products/Archtop/Dot.aspx unless this is the wrong guitar?
I liked this quote also: along with that of finely honed budget models from other manufacturers---should have high end instruments watching their backsides. After all, if you can grab a damn fine guitar for little more than two hundred big ones, those expensive babies had better be absolutely fabulous and completely glitch free.
m0ng0 wrote:well with the combination of a tune-o-matic bridge and grovers you should be golden where tuning is concerned. Thats a nice guitar imo.
Happy wrote:Fender american standard stratocaster gets my vote. Versatile, easy to play/learn on, will hold it's value if taken care of (no belt buckle scratches etc).
Tru2RedNGold25 wrote:Us as Niners fan have every right to rep Niners all day everyday when we have the hardware to back it up do can u guys say that???
m0ng0 wrote:Yep, if you can't do it yourself a setup from someone who knows what they are doing makes a world of difference!
RolandDeschain wrote:I have not made any decisions whatsoever, but does anybody know if the Korean-made $700-$1,000 PRS Carlos Santana guitars are good quality, or do they qualify as the junk mentioned by several people earlier in this thread?
Green13 wrote:I know way more about guitars than football. I currently own 30+ guitars. Buying, selling, trading has been a hobby for a long time. I have owned hundreds of guitars.
I always recommend the Epiphone Les Paul Custom to people just starting out. For $400 you should be able to find a used one with a hard case. They are rock solid. I currently own 3 Gibson Les Pauls and I've sold at least ten others. The Epiphone is very, very close in quality, and generally $2 grand less. The Epiphone Les Paul standards are a great deal also. I would avoid most other Epis.
Green13 wrote:No experience with the Dot Royale, but I have played Epihone Dots. I think they're great guitars. I have a Gibson 335, basically the same guitar with a significantly higher price tag, but if you want to save 2 grand, the Epiphones are a really good buy.
Semi hollow guitars have the best tone in my opinion. Especially if you what to play it through an amp with the gain cranked to 10. There is no substitute! The downside is they are big, a little uncomfortable, and slightly delicate. But I would bet that lots of your favorite guitar players, regardless of what they endorse and play live use 335s in the studio. They just sound BIG, resonate, and awesome.
RolandDeschain wrote:@Happy: I'm definitely a value shopper, not a budget shopper. After reading more stuff online and the knowledge I've gained in this thread, I'm definitely spending north of $600, but I'd really like to keep it in the triple-digit price range, including tax. (So $900 max price, preferably.) Selling what I buy now and upgrading to something that costs $2,000 a couple of years from now or whatever, I've got no problem with.
I have another question. I have shorter-than-average fingers. (Not by a significant amount, but around half of an inch shorter than the average male my height.) Should I be trying to find a guitar with a thinner neck, or something? If there's anything I should be looking for because of this, I obviously want to know before I buy. I'm not sure if it's even relevant or makes a difference, it's just something that occurred to me as a possibility, is all.
Green13 wrote:The stats on the Royale say it has a Slim Taper neck. That's my favorite profile for Gibson guitars, but that a matter of personal preference. Some people love larger necks and think their left hand gets less tired.
There are so many variables when it comes to necks. Nut width, finger board radius, finger board material, profile, the list goes on. The most important thing is that it feels comfortable to you, and you really have to hold it to know. In fact, you probably have to spend some time with it to really know. They vary. I've hd several Les Paul Classics that all have Slim Taper necks, but some were thiner than others. One important thing to consider is that bigger necks have bigger tone.
This may be more info than you want, and we're just scratching the surface! Check out warmoth.com for some good information. They build necks and bodies and their website is really helpful in learning about necks (and other stuff).
As far as the action is concerned, it's easy to adjust and probably should be adjusted to your liking.
Be careful, man. Guitars can get really addictive. But if you learn a little, make smart buys (USED!) you can generally sell them for what you paid, or even a little more, and then you can buy another one!
Green13 wrote:Good luck, man! Tell me what you find and what you think.
What are you going to do for an amp?
m0ng0 wrote:I picked up a Vox Valvetronix ad15vt recently for 50$ with an el cheapo Behringer Strat copy guitar AND a stand Turns out the amp kicks COMPLETE ASS, the guitar (with a little tune up by myself) plays quite well and the stand......holds things.
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/ ... ox/ad15vt/
I love Vox amps and this one blew away my expectations. something to check out I suppose.
Greenhell wrote:From the prices I'm seeing, you stole that amp.
m0ng0 wrote:Craigslist is awesome !