Walking Dead: Season 4

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:48 am
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:59 am
  • Few thoughts....

    So much potential but it just continues to be dragged down by spotty writing that has characters do things which don't make sense. Rick crawling at Carl acting like a zombie. Carl constantly being an idiot just to barely get away without his leg getting bit. Once or twice an episode someone gets surprised by a zombie coming out of no where that ends with them on the ground out of breath. Why would Tyreese ever leave the girls alone in the woods when he hears a random scream that COULD be someone they know? Even if it was someone from the prison, why leave three girls alone knowing full well zombies are everywhere. Sure it gave Lizzie her choking Judith moment which was well done but really? Same with having a zombie faintly resemble Glenn on the bus when Maggie is killing everything. If they are going to do things like that, have the balls to go through with it more than just on (mid)finales instead of drama that 95% of the time ends up being unnecessary. Good shows that have lots of major cast death like The Wire and Game of Thrones don't need huge set ups and hit you with a big death when you least expect it. Her having to kill Glenn would have been a major shock (not that they needed to, I like Glenn for the most part). She also easily could have killed all of them, realized Glenn isn't there, still have an emotional scene not finding him, and transition to Glenn waking up instead of sneaking a look-a-like in. It feels like they're trying to force tension that ultimately leaves you scratching your head rather than putting you in the moment. The only time I thought I would be surprised by a death was Glenn during the virus but he ended up living. (Also what happened to the virus? No more zombies eyes are bleeding...)

    As far as Lizzie goes, anyone who read the comics think they are doing the Ben story line through her? I won't say any spoilers but it gets pretty dark. All the parallels are too close for it not to be IMO or at least a version of it. I think we'll find out Carol covered up for her killing Karen and the other guy.

    I'm excited for Abraham. His character is bad ass and Michael Cudlitz is a solid actor. His addition makes me think a few more characters will be killed off this season though.

    Even with spotty writing sometimes, the story at least has a direction and is layering in mostly interesting story lines. I definitely like this season more than anything since season 1. I'm hoping Scott Gimple starts to hit his stride and the year experience bleeds into next season. I doubt it's possible but I would love for AMC to keep Breaking Bad writers in house and have them help out with TWD. Most are probably working on their own projects now though with all their success.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:48 pm
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    KINGGRUMPY wrote:I liked the Michonne backstory, her having a kid explains the relationship between her and Carl... Carl is going to die at some point and Michonne is going to snap. What happens to Carl in the comics? I only made it to right when they escaped the prison in the comics. Don't worry about spoiling with the Comic book. The show doesn't follow it exactly, so its cool. I believe that Laurie was killed by the governor while pregnant (or carrying the baby) when the Governor attacked the prison.


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    The comic is currently at #121, I think they got kicked out of the prison by the Governor at #48, so a lot has happened. But Carl is still alive, as is Michonne, Rick(of course), Andrea, Sophia, and Maggie.


    Is rick still alive? I gotta catch up... Haha, I've enjoyed the comic storyline over the show thus far
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:29 pm
  • mistaowen wrote:Few thoughts....

    So much potential but it just continues to be dragged down by spotty writing that has characters do things which don't make sense. Rick crawling at Carl acting like a zombie. Carl constantly being an idiot just to barely get away without his leg getting bit. Once or twice an episode someone gets surprised by a zombie coming out of no where that ends with them on the ground out of breath. Why would Tyreese ever leave the girls alone in the woods when he hears a random scream that COULD be someone they know? Even if it was someone from the prison, why leave three girls alone knowing full well zombies are everywhere. Sure it gave Lizzie her choking Judith moment which was well done but really? Same with having a zombie faintly resemble Glenn on the bus when Maggie is killing everything. If they are going to do things like that, have the balls to go through with it more than just on (mid)finales instead of drama that 95% of the time ends up being unnecessary. Good shows that have lots of major cast death like The Wire and Game of Thrones don't need huge set ups and hit you with a big death when you least expect it. Her having to kill Glenn would have been a major shock (not that they needed to, I like Glenn for the most part). She also easily could have killed all of them, realized Glenn isn't there, still have an emotional scene not finding him, and transition to Glenn waking up instead of sneaking a look-a-like in. It feels like they're trying to force tension that ultimately leaves you scratching your head rather than putting you in the moment. The only time I thought I would be surprised by a death was Glenn during the virus but he ended up living. (Also what happened to the virus? No more zombies eyes are bleeding...)

    As far as Lizzie goes, anyone who read the comics think they are doing the Ben story line through her? I won't say any spoilers but it gets pretty dark. All the parallels are too close for it not to be IMO or at least a version of it. I think we'll find out Carol covered up for her killing Karen and the other guy.

    I'm excited for Abraham. His character is bad ass and Michael Cudlitz is a solid actor. His addition makes me think a few more characters will be killed off this season though.

    Even with spotty writing sometimes, the story at least has a direction and is layering in mostly interesting story lines. I definitely like this season more than anything since season 1. I'm hoping Scott Gimple starts to hit his stride and the year experience bleeds into next season. I doubt it's possible but I would love for AMC to keep Breaking Bad writers in house and have them help out with TWD. Most are probably working on their own projects now though with all their success.


    I agree with everything you said, some really odd writing at times. For example, I don't think I'll ever get over how the show treated Andrea's character versus the comic, I mean really? What was the point.

    The Lizzie/Ben thing is interesting. The show seems to touch on the same stories/or situations as the comics, but sometimes just uses different characters, so I could totally see that.

    But honestly I love the comic, I love the show, even with the holes, and questionable writing, I still wouldn't miss it.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:28 am
  • mistaowen wrote:Few thoughts....

    So much potential but it just continues to be dragged down by spotty writing that has characters do things which don't make sense. Rick crawling at Carl acting like a zombie. Carl constantly being an idiot just to barely get away without his leg getting bit. Once or twice an episode someone gets surprised by a zombie coming out of no where that ends with them on the ground out of breath. Why would Tyreese ever leave the girls alone in the woods when he hears a random scream that COULD be someone they know? Even if it was someone from the prison, why leave three girls alone knowing full well zombies are everywhere. Sure it gave Lizzie her choking Judith moment which was well done but really? Same with having a zombie faintly resemble Glenn on the bus when Maggie is killing everything. If they are going to do things like that, have the balls to go through with it more than just on (mid)finales instead of drama that 95% of the time ends up being unnecessary. Good shows that have lots of major cast death like The Wire and Game of Thrones don't need huge set ups and hit you with a big death when you least expect it. Her having to kill Glenn would have been a major shock (not that they needed to, I like Glenn for the most part). She also easily could have killed all of them, realized Glenn isn't there, still have an emotional scene not finding him, and transition to Glenn waking up instead of sneaking a look-a-like in. It feels like they're trying to force tension that ultimately leaves you scratching your head rather than putting you in the moment. The only time I thought I would be surprised by a death was Glenn during the virus but he ended up living. (Also what happened to the virus? No more zombies eyes are bleeding...)

    As far as Lizzie goes, anyone who read the comics think they are doing the Ben story line through her? I won't say any spoilers but it gets pretty dark. All the parallels are too close for it not to be IMO or at least a version of it. I think we'll find out Carol covered up for her killing Karen and the other guy.

    I'm excited for Abraham. His character is bad ass and Michael Cudlitz is a solid actor. His addition makes me think a few more characters will be killed off this season though.

    Even with spotty writing sometimes, the story at least has a direction and is layering in mostly interesting story lines. I definitely like this season more than anything since season 1. I'm hoping Scott Gimple starts to hit his stride and the year experience bleeds into next season. I doubt it's possible but I would love for AMC to keep Breaking Bad writers in house and have them help out with TWD. Most are probably working on their own projects now though with all their success.


    Great post. Sunday's episode caused me to yell at the TV because of characters doing stupid things...AGAIN. After 4(ish) years of apocalypse, everyone who's still alive would be a damn commando. No lowering your gun DURING a zombie fight to watch an emotional reunion.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:06 pm
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:09 pm
  • Still not much happening. It's become clear the second half of season 4 was an attempt to develop characters besides the main core while making Terminus the eventual destination for the start of season 5. I'm sure one or two characters will be killed off dramatically and then all the groups will link up. It's too bad the writing staff can't make intelligent conversations, making this second half mostly a time filler with some zombie death. The drastic change in pacing from the beginning of the season is upsetting. I wish Bob got more time this season. He feels much more authentic of an actor than most of the cast even if the dialogue isn't great. Maybe that's just me remembering him as D'angelo Barksdale in the Wire.

    More stupid decisions to push the plot forward like Maggie leaving alone for zero reason even though Bob agreed he was going to stay with her and then hiding between dead bodies perfectly in view for Sasha. Daryl after four years of being cautious without question opens the door because it was a dog earlier even though you can see zombies outside it. Whatever.

    I think it's the same crew that was in the house with Rick a few episodes ago who picked up Daryl at the end. Not sure how they will tie in, maybe they are from the Terminus? The Hunters eventually? My gut is telling me Beth was developed to be killed off soon by whoever was in the car. Still waiting for the cannibals to show up.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:17 pm
  • ^^ I think Daryl's going to skin whoever was in that car... whether Beth turns up alive or not.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:42 pm
  • I don't require every show that I watch have good writing. Post-apocalyptic setting with zombies, greasy hair and guns is entertainment enough for my daughter and I to bond for an hour before the school week begins.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:43 pm
  • Emily Kinney could get it...
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:58 pm
  • Throwdown wrote:Emily Kinney could get it...


    Co-signed. It's crazy that she is 28 right? They make her look young in the show but she still looks young in real life.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:00 pm
  • I hope Carroll feeds that little brat that tried to suffocate the ass kicker to some zombies.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:05 pm
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:I hope Carroll feeds that little brat that tried to suffocate the ass kicker to some zombies.


    I was more angry about her killing the bunnies
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:43 pm
  • POSSIBLE SPOILER....

















    So, I googled Terminus after watching the episode. Terminus was Atlanta's original name. You would think that they would come up with a better name if in fact they are headed back to Atlanta...
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:38 pm
  • I completely forgot to watch on Sunday, and when I remembered today, I thought about reading the recap instead.

    Should've gone with my first impulse.

    Sure glad they tried to make us think Sasha and Maggie died. But that would've made the show interesting and the writing hard.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:44 pm
  • Sarlacc83 wrote:I completely forgot to watch on Sunday, and when I remembered today, I thought about reading the recap instead.

    Should've gone with my first impulse.

    Sure glad they tried to make us think Sasha and Maggie died. But that would've made the show interesting and the writing hard.


    I was more inclined to think they'd find Bob wandering around with intestines hanging... Guess we were both disappointed.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:00 pm
  • I did not see that coming...
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:02 pm
  • Wow, this was the darkest episode of the series so far. Messed up, for sure.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:06 pm
  • Best episode of the season, maybe of the series to me.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:06 pm
  • Throwdown wrote:Best episode of the season, maybe of the series to me.

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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:23 pm
  • Only two episodes left this season. Just enough time for everyone to finally get to Terminus.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:50 pm
  • The preview doesn't look too promising. They set the bar high with this one.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:32 pm
  • ending was awesome! thought it was going to be a boring episode when it first got going...
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:38 pm
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:51 pm
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    That's just wrong. Haha
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:26 pm
  • Really solid episode I'd say, it's just too bad most of the second half has felt like filler. It was written by the shown runner Scott Gimple and he wrote most of the prior good episodes in past seasons, so it makes sense the dialogue felt improved. Carol did a terrific job acting. Preview for next week looks like it's going to keep ramping up the intensity to the finale which is what the show does best.

    Also, burning zombies? That was awesome. Best zombie interaction since season 1.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:06 pm
  • Terminus creeps me out...
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:13 pm
  • I'm really interested to see what Daryl does to this group of ruffians...
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:43 am
  • Throwdown wrote:Terminus creeps me out...



    Yeah, I've seen some memes floating around about Terminus... Possible spoilers so I won't share.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:39 pm
  • Throwdown wrote:Terminus creeps me out...


    Yeah, that lady looks like she's going to fatten them up for filleting time... I think next week has some wild twists in store.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:05 pm
  • Throwdown wrote:Terminus creeps me out...
    that's what I said when I saw that creepy old lady
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:26 pm
  • Tasha Yar got old! Sure hope the finale makes up for some slow episodes....
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:33 pm
  • My suspicion is that the people there are cannibals. At least that's the feel I got at the end.

    The finale looks like it's gonna be a good one though. Can't wait for it.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:48 am
  • I'm also getting a canniblistic vibe from that Terminus lady.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:59 am
  • Terminus = Government/Illuminati & secret experiments.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:19 am
  • I don't get why Terminus would go through the trouble of posting signs all over the state and running a radio broadcast for people to come on the off-chance they even have a working radio to begin with -- if they're just going to eat them anyway. Clearly anyone who's survived this long has some tangible skills that are worth something...and they're just going to be the meatballs for Spaghetti Tuesday? They had gardens and vegetables all over the place, so they're just going to throw morality out the window and eat people because 'Muricans love their meat?

    I mean, I know cannibalism is pretty much a staple of any post-apocalyptic survival scenario, but it'd be really sloppy for the writers to shove it in right NOW, especially for how well-off Terminus seems (no guards anywhere and the flimsiest chain link gate ever.) There is something very weird about that place but I don't think and hope to hell it's not cannibalism.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:55 pm
  • This finale is crap so far...I doubt the last 2-3 minutes can salvage this
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:02 pm
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:09 pm
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:11 pm
  • It started with a bang with Rick snapping.

    The season as a whole was just kinda meh.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:13 pm
  • Pretty much...the story seemed to have no focus. And what's with the random flashbacks? Did I miss something about why they kept flashing back to Herschel and the prison?
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:24 pm
  • I think it was a point of reference from where Rick was this non violent Ghandi type dude, and in this episode he turned into a complete mad man.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:24 pm
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:37 pm
  • 253hawk wrote:You guys are either dense or just impossible to please.
    ah that must be it. "If you don't like it, there must be something wrong with you!"
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:46 pm
  • Getting it and liking it are two entirely different things. Dense audiences are why shows like Dexter had to be dumbed-down to the point of constant redundancy and close-ups of LaGuerta circling BLACK SUV with a pen several times, just to make sure the plot wasn't going unnoticed.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:49 pm
  • 253hawk wrote:Getting it and liking it are two entirely different things. Dense audiences are why shows like Dexter had to be dumbed-down to the point of constant redundancy and close-ups of LaGuerta circling BLACK SUV with a pen several times, just to make sure the plot wasn't going unnoticed.
    I'm sorry can you explain that again. I don't understand
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:18 pm
  • TWD might be too high-brow for you. Try reality TV, like American Idol or something.
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Re: Walking Dead: Season 4
Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:22 pm
  • 253hawk wrote:TWD might be too high-brow for you. Try reality TV, like American Idol or something.


    No thanks. I'll just go back to my reruns of Jersey Shore
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