Cartire wrote: Sarlacc83 wrote:
Cartire wrote:I never said he was a good person. I just dont think he is an awful person.
But I also look at life as survival of the fittest.
Also, this is a TV show and not real life, regardless of how similar certain situations manifest. Its ok to root for the unconventional. Not every story has to be about good triumphing over evil.
I agree with pinksheets. Walter White is a pretty terrible person at this point, and he's already admitted as such in multiple conversations with Jesse. In fact, Jesse's turn at this moment makes the most sense because if you go all the way back to S3 after Jesse goes to rehab, he talks about accepting what an awful person he is, but what we see is that Jesse can't go all the way.
Walter, on the other hand, can and does. He chooses the most ruthless option time and time again. He manipulates Jesse, he holds his wife and his brother-in-law hostage, he destroys Gus and Mike and their lives. (If you wanted to root for the unconventional, rooting for those two would have counted, IMO). The show isn't about rooting for good over evil; it's more similar to a Simple Plan where bad decision leads to bad decision which leads to a person who is morally destroyed. I think if you're under the impression that WW/Heisenberg isn't an awful person, you're kind of missing the main thrust of the show right now. Talking about survival of the fittest is almost Randian in its being completely unsympathetic to humans.
But in my defense, I also rooted for Tony Montana.
And also, I did root for Mike as well (which by your guys own view, would actually be less unconventional then rooting for WW).
Heres what it comes down to for me, and always has. This is a show that will more then likely take the cowards way out. WW will die. A great evil will be vanquished. And it will be a triumph of good over evil. Or at least, righting a wrong. But Im tired of that. Its the never ending story. The unconventional would be that after 5 seasons and countless, crazy life altering situations, it wasnt all for nothing. It wasnt just a giant waste of time. It didnt just end for nothing.
I want WW to win. I wanted Tony Montana to kill all of those mercenaries and own Flordia. Im tired of the damsel in distress. The hero riding off into the sunset.
Whats the point of creating all these fictitious tales if the same conclusion is always predetermined.
There are more than enough stories where the bad guys win at this point, too, so that's not exactly new, either. So you can't level the ending argument without making any story unworthy of telling. (There are really one two ways to end a story: Protagonist gets what he/she wants or the protagonist doesn't.)
Besides that's not why we watch shows. We do watch them for what's happening 'now', because we either care about the characters or find their trajectories interesting. We don't watch it because we expect a huge plot twist ending, and usually, we don't need need one because it's usually a cheat. (As a side tangent, the ending also needs to be satisfying in order not to invalidate everything that came beforehand, *cough* Lost *cough*)
As for hero riding off into the sunset, who exactly is the 'hero' in Breaking Bad? Hank? Barely? Everyone is dirtied by this mess. (Which is why I think there are no survivors at all.) I do disagree that WW dying is the 'cowards' way. It fits the narrative of the story arc. (The cancer is a Chekhov's gun, IMO). However, I won't complain about WW walking off into the sunset if it fits, either. But it has to make contextual sense, and given the entirety of the show, it really doesn't. What you're missing is that WW's behavior is self-destructive. It doesn't build up to some greater meaning - Breaking Bad is the story of someone's downward spiral because he was given an excuse, and I think it scares some people that they won't be able to indulge their inner fantasy about finally having a real reason to go off-the-rails. (And make no mistake, Breaking Bad is a revenge fantasy, except it's revenge on a crappy world.)
IMO, that's how the show will ultimately be a huge letdown if it doesn't force people to come to the conclusion: We all want to break bad but when the time comes, we won't because we know better than to quit.