Area 51: Government FINALLY acknowledges it exists.

The Lounge is for non-sport-related topics other than politics, war and religion. Order up your favorite beverage, kick back and enjoy the conversation! RATING: PG-13
  • The US gov has officially come out and said "yes", Area-51 is a real place, and we tested secret aircraft there. "Look, here is a map of the place..." (prints map off Google and hands to media...)

    Nothing about any crashed alien spacecraft though.

    Yet...

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... a/2663829/
    "God bless America, and God bless the Seattle Seahawks" - Cortez Kennedy
    User avatar
    HoustonHawk82
    * NET Mechanic *
     
    Posts: 5767
    Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:51 am
    Location: is not important, when you're good.


  • This just tells me the real secrets/secret activities have been moved to another facility that is still unknown.
    As a musician and audio quality champion, Neil Young said in 2012, “Steve Jobs was a pioneer of digital music. But when he went home, he listened to vinyl.”
    User avatar
    twisted_steel2
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 5256
    Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:41 am
    Location: Ballard


  • Didn't the government acknowledge that in the late 80's? There are detailed files that have been made public about what type of aircraft they flew.
    User avatar
    seahawk2k
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1606
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:41 pm


  • I don't believe it...
    "We walked our (pedestrian) ass to the Super Bowl"
    Angry Doug
    "We're looking for grit"
    Pete Carroll
    "We got grit. That's it."
    Earl Thomas.
    User avatar
    Rocket
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1198
    Joined: Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:12 pm
    Location: The Rain Forest


  • I knew it! How else can you explain some of the characters on .NET?
    Image
    3elieve
    User avatar
    Throwdown
    * NET Baller *
     
    Posts: 18828
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:02 am
    Location: Graham, WA


  • Any mention of the S4 complex? :16:
    Image

    "The Seahawks showed today that they regarded me highly and I appreciate that, and I will continue to show how much I regard Paul Allen and the Seattle Seahawks with my play." - Richard Sherman
    User avatar
    Aros
    [[ .NET Godfather ]]
     
    Posts: 7899
    Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:58 am
    Location: Just 6 miles from Richard Sherman!


  • As if UFO theorists will be satisfied. All this admits is that the military had a place to conduct top-secret R&D, which isn't really all that shocking for the world's best military to have.
    GO HAWKS!!!

    Visit my Seahawks blog at 17power.blogspot.com!

    Follow me on Twitter at @17power
    User avatar
    MontanaHawk05
    * 17Power Blogger *
     
    Posts: 11233
    Joined: Fri May 01, 2009 8:46 am


  • HoustonHawk82 wrote:The US gov has officially come out and said "yes", Area-51 is a real place, and we tested secret aircraft there. "Look, here is a map of the place..." (prints map off Google and hands to media...)

    Nothing about any crashed alien spacecraft though.

    Yet...

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... a/2663829/

    I think there is still stuff going on there. Most of Area 51 is underground. I haven't paid much attention to area 51 in the past decade but there used to be what they called JANET planes, white 727's or 737's with a red stripe that used to fly the workers in daily from McCarran airport in Vegas. If those planes are still flying in and out of McCarran then there is still work going on in Area51.

    The Government admitting its there is like a career criminal admitting to J-walking (pleading guilty to a lesser crime), in other words there is much more to the story than just a secret military testing base, which everyone knew existed for decades.

    It could be this is being used to distract from the NSA scandals and wrongdoings but more is going to have to come about area 51 to accomplish that even over the short term.
    42-13, 29-3, and 23-17 and a Lombardi trophy from THIS millennium.....deal with it niner trolls

    SEATTLE SEAHAWKS SUPERBOWL XLVIII CHAMPIONS!
    User avatar
    Sports Hernia
    NET Pro Bowler
     
    Posts: 10818
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:36 pm
    Location: Lombardi Land


  • Just like Randy Quaid in "Independence Day". That is how I envision Aros taking this revelation.
    Image
    Leon Washington 2010-2012 Red Bryant 2008-2013 Chris Clemons 2010-2013 Golden Tate 2010-2013
    Brandon Browner 2011-2013 Breno Giacomini 2011-2013 - Gone but not forgotten.
    Wilson will sign for $18M+ (3/4/2014)
    User avatar
    drdiags
    * The Doc *
    * The Doc *
     
    Posts: 9093
    Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:33 am
    Location: Covington, Washington


  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    HoustonHawk82 wrote:The US gov has officially come out and said "yes", Area-51 is a real place, and we tested secret aircraft there. "Look, here is a map of the place..." (prints map off Google and hands to media...)

    Nothing about any crashed alien spacecraft though.

    Yet...

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... a/2663829/

    I think there is still stuff going on there. Most of Area 51 is underground. I haven't paid much attention to area 51 in the past decade but there used to be what they called JANET planes, white 727's or 737's with a red stripe that used to fly the workers in daily from McCarran airport in Vegas. If those planes are still flying in and out of McCarran then there is still work going on in Area51.

    The Government admitting its there is like a career criminal admitting to J-walking (pleading guilty to a lesser crime), in other words there is much more to the story than just a secret military testing base, which everyone knew existed for decades.

    It could be this is being used to distract from the NSA scandals and wrongdoings but more is going to have to come about area 51 to accomplish that even over the short term.


    JANET planes still fly out everyday. I've discussed some of the stuff that I know about Area 51 (Groom Lake). There is another base. It is at another lake. It isn't one I will talk about. But there are more out there that are doing crazy shiz.

    At Dugway here in Utah they are doing a LOT of what they were doing at Nellis and Groom. They claim they are disposing of biological weapons (which they are to some extent), but they also have the civilian contracted military police force securing a HUGE perimeter. Much bigger area than they need to burn off mustard gas.

    Look up Dugway Proving Grounds and see how much space they have. Look north of Area 51 in the area between Elko and Winnemucca for a big lake that has no business in the middle of Nevada (near I-80). I am shutting up now. Prism is literally running in the buildings outside my bedroom window at Camp Williams. I am looking at them now, and they are ominous. I'm sure I'll be getting a knock on the door, or another random "unmarked" Crown Vic following me out of the neighborhood sometime in the next week. I'm not a loon, but by what I say you'll paint me as one, and they love it.

    Hi guys! Nice to see you again. Why don't you ever stop and have lunch? I invite you? Hell, half of you live in my neighborhood. Quit acting like you don't read everything I write.
    Image
    R.I.P. Dad. I miss you. You will never be forgotten
    1/12/39 - 8/7/08
    User avatar
    SharkHawk
    * NET Alumni *
     
    Posts: 3883
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:47 am


  • Zoom in on Hawthorn, Nevada on Google Maps. Then move to the north of the city about a mile and let your imagination run wild with what you are looking at. Zoom all over that area that looks blank when you are zoomed out, and look at all of the buildings that are evenly spaced and covered with DIRT. Enjoy.
    Image
    R.I.P. Dad. I miss you. You will never be forgotten
    1/12/39 - 8/7/08
    User avatar
    SharkHawk
    * NET Alumni *
     
    Posts: 3883
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:47 am


  • SharkHawk wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:
    HoustonHawk82 wrote:The US gov has officially come out and said "yes", Area-51 is a real place, and we tested secret aircraft there. "Look, here is a map of the place..." (prints map off Google and hands to media...)

    Nothing about any crashed alien spacecraft though.

    Yet...

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... a/2663829/

    I think there is still stuff going on there. Most of Area 51 is underground. I haven't paid much attention to area 51 in the past decade but there used to be what they called JANET planes, white 727's or 737's with a red stripe that used to fly the workers in daily from McCarran airport in Vegas. If those planes are still flying in and out of McCarran then there is still work going on in Area51.

    The Government admitting its there is like a career criminal admitting to J-walking (pleading guilty to a lesser crime), in other words there is much more to the story than just a secret military testing base, which everyone knew existed for decades.

    It could be this is being used to distract from the NSA scandals and wrongdoings but more is going to have to come about area 51 to accomplish that even over the short term.


    JANET planes still fly out everyday. I've discussed some of the stuff that I know about Area 51 (Groom Lake). There is another base. It is at another lake. It isn't one I will talk about. But there are more out there that are doing crazy shiz.

    At Dugway here in Utah they are doing a LOT of what they were doing at Nellis and Groom. They claim they are disposing of biological weapons (which they are to some extent), but they also have the civilian contracted military police force securing a HUGE perimeter. Much bigger area than they need to burn off mustard gas.

    Look up Dugway Proving Grounds and see how much space they have. Look north of Area 51 in the area between Elko and Winnemucca for a big lake that has no business in the middle of Nevada (near I-80). I am shutting up now. Prism is literally running in the buildings outside my bedroom window at Camp Williams. I am looking at them now, and they are ominous. I'm sure I'll be getting a knock on the door, or another random "unmarked" Crown Vic following me out of the neighborhood sometime in the next week. I'm not a loon, but by what I say you'll paint me as one, and they love it.

    Hi guys! Nice to see you again. Why don't you ever stop and have lunch? I invite you? Hell, half of you live in my neighborhood. Quit acting like you don't read everything I write.


    Thanks for the info, tell the guys in the crown vic you are real real real close friends with Jim Harbaugh and he's told you everything you know. 8)
    42-13, 29-3, and 23-17 and a Lombardi trophy from THIS millennium.....deal with it niner trolls

    SEATTLE SEAHAWKS SUPERBOWL XLVIII CHAMPIONS!
    User avatar
    Sports Hernia
    NET Pro Bowler
     
    Posts: 10818
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:36 pm
    Location: Lombardi Land


  • Ha. I wish I could say more. I will start dropping "Harbombs" and see if they mean business.

    They are actually just guys that are trying to see if people really know anything, and if so... which one of the people that has clearance said something they shouldn't have.

    No worries guys who like to monitor stuff. All of my neighbors keep their mouths shut. I know what they SAY they do, but I am good at reading a lie, even the best liars have "tells" that come across to the trained eye. I can see what is and what isn't true. My brother punched me the other day for asking my neighbor who is in "the guard and is a linguist" questions about PRISM and Groom Lake. He said, "Don't put those guys on the spot jackass, they are doing their jobs and don't need you trying to weasel info out of them." He was right of course, especially since the neighbors were putting in my sod lawn because my back is so screwed. They are all top-notch guys and I'm glad they are on our side. I will say that much. No matter what you feel about the government, or the military, or the wars or anything else, you always have to respect the guys who sign up for it and do their best no matter what the situation.

    I appreciate their willingness to put themselves in harms way, and also going into it full well knowing for a FACT that they can not say things. They have to live a secret life in many respects, and it hurts families and it hurts them mentally, but they still do it because they are doing what they feel is a greater good, and believe it or not, you HAVE to respect them. I know I do, and should probably stop creating trouble. It's no big deal for the guys at Camp Williams or Dugway to sweep through one day a month and bother all of us who are making trouble. They probably do it on their own time on the way home for fun. But I wish they'd spend time harassing people who aren't just curious like me. I'm patriotic and I am a public servant. I'm not crazy, but I sure seem like it when I read what I typed.
    Image
    R.I.P. Dad. I miss you. You will never be forgotten
    1/12/39 - 8/7/08
    User avatar
    SharkHawk
    * NET Alumni *
     
    Posts: 3883
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:47 am


  • "God bless America, and God bless the Seattle Seahawks" - Cortez Kennedy
    User avatar
    HoustonHawk82
    * NET Mechanic *
     
    Posts: 5767
    Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:51 am
    Location: is not important, when you're good.


  • SharkHawk wrote:Zoom in on Hawthorn, Nevada on Google Maps. Then move to the north of the city about a mile and let your imagination run wild with what you are looking at. Zoom all over that area that looks blank when you are zoomed out, and look at all of the buildings that are evenly spaced and covered with DIRT. Enjoy.

    Yep that looks odd. I roadtripped from Seattle to Vegas through Reno in Nov 2001, saw some odd shapped bunker typed buildings in the Walker Lake area. Didn't think much about it but had an odd feeling it was government doings and I probably should "keep on trucking". Could have been nothing though.
    42-13, 29-3, and 23-17 and a Lombardi trophy from THIS millennium.....deal with it niner trolls

    SEATTLE SEAHAWKS SUPERBOWL XLVIII CHAMPIONS!
    User avatar
    Sports Hernia
    NET Pro Bowler
     
    Posts: 10818
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:36 pm
    Location: Lombardi Land


  • One of my doctors (gastro specialist) is in the reserves now. He said he has had to train in "Yakistan" a few times. That is what they call Yakima in his unit, because in the summer, it is supposed to prepare them to get a call up to Afghanistan. They will go there and train and wait to see if they get sent off. All around Yakima they have "dirt mounds" that are used for storage. My dad was in the government, which I've talked about a bit here and some of his weird experiences prior to his untimely death. He said they were used for military storage as ammo dumps or even storage of food like potatoes and MRE's. The dirt helps regulate the temperature. Similar to people building houses out of sod and covering them with earth to keep cool and safe.

    However... the spacing of them in Hawthorn leads me to believe they aren't for food. They are most likely ammunition that is spaced and covered so that if one dump ignites, it won't reach the next one. The spacing is very specific. It could be fallout shelters. I haven't been out there in a long time and don't even remember what I saw. I saw them up close in Yakima though and was basically told to stop talking about it.

    The stuff in Nevada is a bit more hidden. It's interesting... the area I spoke of previously now doesn't even SHOW UP on Google Maps, just as Area 51 was a vast blur that you couldn't zoom in on, until the Russians released spy satellite shots of it a few years ago and then Google was given permission to post it. They have ever since. But there is an entire area of Nevada that is just showing up as what looks like it is photoshopped within the past 6 months. It was the area I spoke of earlier. Very bizarre. I wonder if new things have popped up.

    Some people speak about the Naval center in the middle of Nevada on different sites. I've seen it. It does exist, but it is no longer labeled on Google. Look for a Naval Test area in the middle of Nevada (which makes no sense anyway, why would the NAVY be testing in the middle of the desert????) and maybe you can find it. I can't locate it now, when I could not long ago. WEIRD STUFF!

    Thanks for the Serpo page HoustonHawk. Now I've crawled down a rabbit hole I'll likely be stuck in for the next 4 hours reading this business. Grrrr..... :)
    Image
    R.I.P. Dad. I miss you. You will never be forgotten
    1/12/39 - 8/7/08
    User avatar
    SharkHawk
    * NET Alumni *
     
    Posts: 3883
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:47 am


  • One happening little spot in Nevada. Search google maps for these coordinates. Zoom out and have a look around. A little odd huh? It does have a checkpoint to get in, and the typical military 2 softball fields, running track, and football field, along with tennis courts and on base housing. Interesting...

    37.884846, -116.765363
    Image
    R.I.P. Dad. I miss you. You will never be forgotten
    1/12/39 - 8/7/08
    User avatar
    SharkHawk
    * NET Alumni *
     
    Posts: 3883
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:47 am


  • Also look north of Fallon. You see a mining operation that looks quite normal just off of the Lovelock highway. Mining is about all to do out there. But then zoom out a bit and look to the west of the mining operation and you see what looks like a bombing range by the blackened area around. You also will notice upon looking that some areas look to have been copied and pasted from other mapped areas. This is in the general area where other things were labeled and looked MUCH different several months ago. Crazy.
    Image
    R.I.P. Dad. I miss you. You will never be forgotten
    1/12/39 - 8/7/08
    User avatar
    SharkHawk
    * NET Alumni *
     
    Posts: 3883
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:47 am


  • Tonopah is another interesting area, and all links to it in Wikipedia have been deleted. Crazy. There is stuff around Tonopah, and it shows up as BLANK on maps. What the hell?
    Image
    R.I.P. Dad. I miss you. You will never be forgotten
    1/12/39 - 8/7/08
    User avatar
    SharkHawk
    * NET Alumni *
     
    Posts: 3883
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:47 am


  • I know there is some sort of Naval Station between Vegas and Laughlin, passed the sign and was thinking WTF? You don't know the turnoff until you are a 1/4 of a mile from it.
    42-13, 29-3, and 23-17 and a Lombardi trophy from THIS millennium.....deal with it niner trolls

    SEATTLE SEAHAWKS SUPERBOWL XLVIII CHAMPIONS!
    User avatar
    Sports Hernia
    NET Pro Bowler
     
    Posts: 10818
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:36 pm
    Location: Lombardi Land


  • Yes, there is a Naval Test range that covers a large area (bigger than many states), and then there is a Naval Training base within the test range and it is much smaller and more focused obviously (not just endless dirt). It isn't showing up anymore. Kind of weird if you ask me. They used to test nukes out there. Many people in Utah are children of the "Down-winders" who died of leukemia and other radiation caused illnesses from nuke tests in the 40's and 50's. The stuff all blew down wind into central and southern Utah. Radiation levels are still spiked a bit in the St. George, Utah/Mesquite, Nevada area.

    Dugway proving ground is the creepiest. It is right over the hill from here, and we see convoys of armed Apaches popping up over the hill and flying over our neighborhood about once a week out of Dugway. I saw them again the other day, and my son couldn't believe they had weapons on them, bu there they were. I'll try to snap a photo of the airspace over my house and hope my place isn't ransacked and I end up in "secret court". Laughing... for now.
    Image
    R.I.P. Dad. I miss you. You will never be forgotten
    1/12/39 - 8/7/08
    User avatar
    SharkHawk
    * NET Alumni *
     
    Posts: 3883
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:47 am


  • Start here:
    http://www.serpo.org/intro.php
    then go here:
    http://www.serpo.org/release1.php ...and continue on throughout the little blue circles as they follow a logical order of things.

    This site covers all kinds of cool stuff the government has been doing behind our backs since the 1940's. Remember the group of people in jumpsuits that boarded the alien craft at the end of Close Encounters of the Third Kind?

    Not too far from the real thing...
    "God bless America, and God bless the Seattle Seahawks" - Cortez Kennedy
    User avatar
    HoustonHawk82
    * NET Mechanic *
     
    Posts: 5767
    Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:51 am
    Location: is not important, when you're good.


  • Let me sum it up like this...

    Do you REALLY think the CIA (or any of the other alphabet groups) is going to suddenly say, "Hey, you know what? The UFO crazies have been right all along! We DO have extraterrestrial technology we have been reverse engineering for decades...In fact, the technology is so far advanced from our own it makes us look like preschoolers walking into Harvard by comparison!"

    Please. This sudden announcement by the CIA that Area 51 is real after all is insulting to everyone's intelligence. Well, at least those who are paying attention.

    It's no different than when the Air Force published yet another addendum to their "Roswell Case Closed" manifesto. Lordy. :177692:

    My favorite bumper sticker remains:

    If you're not mad as hell, you're not paying attention.
    Image

    "The Seahawks showed today that they regarded me highly and I appreciate that, and I will continue to show how much I regard Paul Allen and the Seattle Seahawks with my play." - Richard Sherman
    User avatar
    Aros
    [[ .NET Godfather ]]
     
    Posts: 7899
    Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:58 am
    Location: Just 6 miles from Richard Sherman!


  • It's not that I don't think that Aliens exist/ever existed, but the likelihood of us having any kind of contact with them is so improbable it hurts my brain.

    Not only do you have to have two intelligent civilizations living simultaneously but at least one of them has to have the capabilities to travel incredible distances. And, in addition to travelling incredible distances end up actually landing on our planet. 1 of 8 in our system, 1 of 200 billion stars in our galaxy, 1 of 170B galaxies (which some of these galaxies have hundreds of trillions of stars) in the observable universe.

    Not to mention the 270 Million stars that are born each day as well as an equal amount that die.
    SUPER BOWL 48 CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!

    RIP ROAD WOES 12/2/2012
    User avatar
    SonicHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 7084
    Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:56 pm


  • I caution any paradigms that come from anthropomorphism when it comes to the UFO/ET debate.

    Your assumptions Sonic - all due respect, and I mean that - are based on the thought processes of a primitive species - relatively speaking. I think it's no stretch to assume there are other civilizations out there that are thousands, millions of years ahead of our own. Assuming that's the case, certainly they have a much more refined definition of what is, and what is not possible. From technology to spirituality. What may be "incredible distances" to you and I, are not even a thought to a species that can manipulate time and space as easily as you and I can pour a cup of coffee in the morning.

    This is why it is so difficult for our species to even entertain the notion that not only are we not alone in the universe, but they in fact could be right here. Right now.

    If a species is that far advanced than our own, it's quite likely that they can remain as undetectable as they desire. From cloaking/invisibility to manipulating the molecular structure of matter to move through "solid" objects, that may be just the beginning of what a hypothetically advanced species is capable of.

    In other words, what we deem as limitations is merely our current understanding of the universe, life, consciousness and may in fact have very little bearing on the truth of the possibilities that lie ahead with exponential knowledge.
    Image

    "The Seahawks showed today that they regarded me highly and I appreciate that, and I will continue to show how much I regard Paul Allen and the Seattle Seahawks with my play." - Richard Sherman
    User avatar
    Aros
    [[ .NET Godfather ]]
     
    Posts: 7899
    Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:58 am
    Location: Just 6 miles from Richard Sherman!


  • SonicHawk wrote:It's not that I don't think that Aliens exist/ever existed, but the likelihood of us having any kind of contact with them is so improbable it hurts my brain.

    Not only do you have to have two intelligent civilizations living simultaneously but at least one of them has to have the capabilities to travel incredible distances. And, in addition to travelling incredible distances end up actually landing on our planet. 1 of 8 in our system, 1 of 200 billion stars in our galaxy, 1 of 170B galaxies (which some of these galaxies have hundreds of trillions of stars) in the observable universe.

    Not to mention the 270 Million stars that are born each day as well as an equal amount that die.


    We're an intelligent life-form according to ourselves, anyway...
    Image
    User avatar
    AbsolutNET
    * NET X's & O's Guru *
     
    Posts: 8688
    Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:24 am
    Location: PNW


  • Ender's Game brings up some interesting things... It is worth a read. When it was written I remember people laughing about things like the idea that a brilliant young kid could take over power through the media via an electronic network. They laughed at the tablets kids used to use "the nets". Guess what? That stuff was only a FEW years away. iPads and "the nets" are a matter of daily life for most of us. It is our existence. The idea that an unknown person could gain a large following on a "message board" was laughable, but it is happening. Look at things like the Drudge Report or the Huffington Post. Hundreds of thousands of people read those and take what they say as gospel. The character of Locke and Demosthenes are not so far-fetched in this age, but were laughed at as "silly science fiction" just a few years ago. My how times change.

    Then Card throws in his discussion of a device that can transmit communications faster than light (the Ansible) was laughed at due to the speed that radio waves are "limited to", but the Ansible didn't use radio communications. People laughed. Haha. Card is crazy. Nothing like that will EVER happen. But wait...other stuff he spoke of in his loony story happened and is in the process of happening, and yet the idea of the Ansible is so freaking crazy. Why? Because nobody has thought in the terms of what can be?

    Tell me that Jules Verne was crazy. A lot of people said he was. He was dreaming. The things he wrote about seemed silly at the time and then they HAPPENED... within ONE generation of him writing them.

    Let's not be so down on the idea that other civilizations could be around longer than us and already conquered things like submarines thousands of years ago and therefore have developed technologies like an Ansible as would seem likely when you look at the exponential speed of technology advance once you hit the tipping point (electricity -> computers happened very fast... computers -> microcomputers happened way faster... microcomputers to nanoprocessors happened almost impossibly faster). The jump is quick once the spark is ignited.

    I'm only 40... yes, I said only, because I know many of you are my age or older, and my grandmother and grandfather who lived well into the late 1990's recalled the first time they saw an AIRPLANE and they couldn't wrap their heads around it. They also remembered the invention of PLASTIC for crying out loud. My grandpa's family moved in a covered wagon. I'm not making this up... and he flew on Jumbo Jets in his prime years. That's a fast technology jump. He used to ride a donkey to a coal mine that he worked in Park City, Utah. Yes.... a donkey. He'd ride it up on Sunday morning from his home in Midway, Utah and get there in time to work on Monday at 5:00 and then would head back down to Midway on Friday night after work at 8:00 PM, because they didn't have a 40 hour work week. The dude drove a fuel injected aluminum head V-6 Chrysler New Yorker for the last 7 years of his life. But he rode a damned donkey to work when he was younger.

    Think about it... these jumps in technology that we are making are impressive... and we aren't all that great. :)
    Image
    R.I.P. Dad. I miss you. You will never be forgotten
    1/12/39 - 8/7/08
    User avatar
    SharkHawk
    * NET Alumni *
     
    Posts: 3883
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:47 am


  • AbsolutNET wrote:We're an intelligent life-form according to ourselves, anyway...


    I see what you did there and I like it.
    Image

    "The Seahawks showed today that they regarded me highly and I appreciate that, and I will continue to show how much I regard Paul Allen and the Seattle Seahawks with my play." - Richard Sherman
    User avatar
    Aros
    [[ .NET Godfather ]]
     
    Posts: 7899
    Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:58 am
    Location: Just 6 miles from Richard Sherman!


  • Shark, I would love to sit down with you and have a drink or five and talk cool shit.
    Image

    "The Seahawks showed today that they regarded me highly and I appreciate that, and I will continue to show how much I regard Paul Allen and the Seattle Seahawks with my play." - Richard Sherman
    User avatar
    Aros
    [[ .NET Godfather ]]
     
    Posts: 7899
    Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:58 am
    Location: Just 6 miles from Richard Sherman!


  • Aros wrote:Shark, I would love to sit down with you and have a drink or five and talk cool shit.


    Let's plan it. I'm coming up in October for a wedding during our fall school break. We'll probably be there Thursday evening through Sunday night (or early Monday AM) on the weekend of the game against Tennessee. If we can fly up, we may be there from Wednesday afternoon until Monday afternoon(!). If we can't find time then, I'll try to fly back up at some point. I've got to see my aunt. She's getting sicker and I need to get up there often to be with her and support my cousin who is running the show solo with great stress.

    I also have reconnected with a bunch of my friends from growing up in Federal Way/Auburn and we're going to try to get together more regularly, so they want me to get my butt up and visit. I finally feel like I am being called back home and need to make the more frequent pilgrimages. :)
    Image
    R.I.P. Dad. I miss you. You will never be forgotten
    1/12/39 - 8/7/08
    User avatar
    SharkHawk
    * NET Alumni *
     
    Posts: 3883
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:47 am


  • SharkHawk wrote:I'm only 40... yes, I said only, because I know many of you are my age or older, and my grandmother and grandfather who lived well into the late 1990's recalled the first time they saw an AIRPLANE and they couldn't wrap their heads around it. They also remembered the invention of PLASTIC for crying out loud. My grandpa's family moved in a covered wagon. I'm not making this up... and he flew on Jumbo Jets in his prime years. That's a fast technology jump. He used to ride a donkey to a coal mine that he worked in Park City, Utah. Yes.... a donkey. He'd ride it up on Sunday morning from his home in Midway, Utah and get there in time to work on Monday at 5:00 and then would head back down to Midway on Friday night after work at 8:00 PM, because they didn't have a 40 hour work week. The dude drove a fuel injected aluminum head V-6 Chrysler New Yorker for the last 7 years of his life. But he rode a damned donkey to work when he was younger.


    I love this paragraph, interesting stuff. :th2thumbs:
    As a musician and audio quality champion, Neil Young said in 2012, “Steve Jobs was a pioneer of digital music. But when he went home, he listened to vinyl.”
    User avatar
    twisted_steel2
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 5256
    Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:41 am
    Location: Ballard


  • It existed all along! Did the CIA thought that we were stupid not to let it know it did not exist huh?!
    Fridays On My Mind!
    Passepartout
    NET Practice Squad
     
    Posts: 54
    Joined: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:18 pm
    Location: Monty Python Land!


  • Mmmmm... what?

    Anyway, I've gotten the black sedan treatment twice in the last 5 days. Not kidding. I just thought I'd give you guys the update. Then I pulled out of my neighborhood today and these two cholos in a black car started following me out (they were waiting across the way at the side of the road at a light where I move onto the highway).

    They pulled in behind me... moved up... made direct eye contact... backed off followed for about 2 miles. Then I slowed way down, and they did too. Then I sped up and they pulled up next to me again, turned... both made extended eye contact for about 30 seconds. Then they sped up and got right in front of me trying to see if I'd move out and speed past as they slowed down. I slowed down and let them continue to do what they were doing and they were getting frustrated obviously and got boxed in by two other vehicles and I split off and hit I-15 south and they got forced across the freeway because it was near rush hour (6 PM). They slowed way down as they crossed the bridge over where I was entering the freeway and seemed to be tracking me as I moved out onto the freeway. Finally as I hit the freeway they took off across the bridge at high speed. I didn't see them on the freeway again.

    On Saturday I went outside and a black car was sitting around the corner and followed me out of the neighborhood.

    On Monday, I went outside after I got home from work to check on our babysitter's car (which has been giving her fits). I wasn't getting into my Tacoma, but rather I got into her Hyundai which was parked on the street, and immediately upon starting it and driving away a black totally bland base model Dodge Avenger (brand new) pulled in behind me out of nowhere. It wasn't any of my neighbors. I know all of their cars, and we are all youngish (I am the oldest guy on the block and I'm 40).

    This was a middle-aged woman with long blonde hair driving behind me. But I was testing out the girl's car because she said her brakes were acting funny. This car was up on me in a furious hurry speeding up to catch me as I took off in the Hyundai. Then it backed way off... I was jumping up and hitting the brakes hard to see what was wrong. I saw the black car almost mirroring what I was doing, but at a trailing distance of about 1/8 mile. I then got out of the development and hit the main road. I usually turn right and hit the highway which is about 2 blocks south of us. The black car seemed to be following my usual pattern as I moved over toward the right to turn that way at the 4 way stop. They put on their signal and started moving over. I hadn't signaled though, so I just went straight. Then she takes off her blinker and goes straight too. I go right up to the elementary school where they are having back to school night, and go straight again... she follows and then I get out my iphone at the stop sign and start filming her and I'm holding my phone up and aiming it at rear view mirror height and filming and I can see her and the car on the screen... she is wearing shades and such, and then she is looking at me closely (like craning her neck forward) and then pulls right and tears off in front of the school and keeps going toward the highway 2 blocks north. I go a block further up and u-turn back around and get back to the intersection just in time to see her blast through the intersection on the highway toward the same place where the cholos I saw today came from.

    All a bit unsettling. I know if you're looking for something, you're going to see it. So I'm just paranoid most likely, but this was all a bit strange.

    After the incident today I tweeted to my brothers "Paranoia is real. The guy on the Lucky Charms box told me so." They got a good laugh. I think I'm getting paranoid, but the 3 black non-descript cars, and one of them having two asshats that seem like the typical clowns that get paid a $20 and told to "follow somebody" and make them uncomfortable was a bit much. I was ready to film cholo 1 and 2 today, but they were dumb enough to have a wrap thing on their rear window that had the name of a local company on it (guys do that around here to make a few extra bucks by advertising). They were advertising this dumpy garage door place. So I could find out who they were in five seconds by going in and giving the owner a $20 and telling him some of his "employees" were being dicks. These guys seemed like the kind of hustlers who get contacted by those who want something done that is just mindless and requires somebody that won't be tracked back to them. I'm seriously thinking that me filming the random middle aged lady in the Dodge spooked her bad.

    Am I crazy? Probably. But it is interesting that I predicted it would happen like before, and then did 3 times in 5 days. Makes you wonder...
    Image
    R.I.P. Dad. I miss you. You will never be forgotten
    1/12/39 - 8/7/08
    User avatar
    SharkHawk
    * NET Alumni *
     
    Posts: 3883
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:47 am


  • I realize I said twice at the top... it's actually 3 times. The twice was referring to black sedans, the third black car with the cholos was not a sedan. It was a Honda Civic that was black, so obviously nothing like the other two cars, but their behavior was VERY peculiar for this area. The "tough guy" thing just doesn't happen around here. If it did I'd be carrying in my vehicle. But I don't, as I've never felt threatened and honestly have never lost a fight, so I'm naive or something. But I just felt CREEPY when those guys were looking at me giving me the "you're screwed and you don't even know it" look. Oh well. I'll find out who they were and kick their balls in.
    Image
    R.I.P. Dad. I miss you. You will never be forgotten
    1/12/39 - 8/7/08
    User avatar
    SharkHawk
    * NET Alumni *
     
    Posts: 3883
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:47 am


  • Next time you are followed just start diving in a circle. They should get bored soon enough, and get the hint. Also take pictures of them and post them here so they can be FAMOUS! :)
    42-13, 29-3, and 23-17 and a Lombardi trophy from THIS millennium.....deal with it niner trolls

    SEATTLE SEAHAWKS SUPERBOWL XLVIII CHAMPIONS!
    User avatar
    Sports Hernia
    NET Pro Bowler
     
    Posts: 10818
    Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:36 pm
    Location: Lombardi Land


  • Wear the "cholos" wearing black suits with white shirts and a black tie?
    "God bless America, and God bless the Seattle Seahawks" - Cortez Kennedy
    User avatar
    HoustonHawk82
    * NET Mechanic *
     
    Posts: 5767
    Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:51 am
    Location: is not important, when you're good.


  • The "cholos" were wearing all black and sunglasses. They were not wearing suits. They are typical of the untraceable hire/watch people for $15 type. My sister has hired some guys that are just like that to do stupid work on her divorce case. They are easy to find, all seem to run in the same crowd, and only a real amateur or somebody who was trying to look like an amateur would put those fools on your tail.

    I do have the video of the Avenger. However, it only caught the end of it, and then I brought my phone down as I hurried through the intersection that they suddenly turned right at (you can see them pulling in right behind me because I stopped at the stop sign way too long). Once they saw me with my camera up they hurried and pulled right with a quick blinker as I moved through and then I am preparing to wheel around and start filming again, but they hauled butt out of there right in front of the school where parents were going into back to school night. I'll see if I can upload it. The only interesting part is the first 3 seconds. Then it is a lot of shots of my gray beard and me trying to get the phone back into position to film out the side window as I u-turn around a few hundred feet up. They were out of range by the time I got through and I had to drop it. I didn't want to fly by the school with hundreds of kids and parents and follow this person. I just let them be.

    I have done circles a couple of times. That was what I intended to do when driving the Hyundai. I was running late for a doctor's appointment or I would have allowed wannabe 1 and 2 to tail me all over the city. Then I would have pulled into the police station. I was getting ready to call the cops using the bluetooth in the stereo without them knowing I was talking to them if they had made it onto the freeway and then have the cops intercept them in my destination city (my friend is the head of the police force in the city where my doctor's appt. was... it is about 15 miles away). He would have certainly gone over or sent somebody over to intercept them as I exited the freeway. I just could not miss this appt. and wasn't exactly going to be on time. I have to see the doc once a month and it is do or die. I'm hoping one of the creeps from Camp Williams is out and bored this weekend. I'll see what I can come up with. :)

    My neighbor has invited me to a barbecue at his house tonight. We'll see what he thinks. Haha. He is a great guy and fully honors everything to do with his job. I don't even know exactly what he does, because he is vague about it. I was talking to him about Area 51 being revealed as I said, and he was really surprised that it was. That makes me wonder in a way... because he's "in the Air Force". Probably just paranoia on my part. I'm glad he's on our side. Brilliant guy. Totally dedicated and a top notch person. Totally helps everybody with moving, yard work, anything heavy duty, but also speaks 3 languages, has served combat missions and is just a neat person. I am grateful for our military... genuinely and always, and feel bad that some of them are put in a bad position with their careers. I know how much it can hurt a family.

    I've seen it firsthand from a dad who had to keep his mouth shut for years when he had certain clearances, and my mom and he just stopped talking because "how was work dear?" Grumble grumble. I also had a cousin that was in the CIA and couldn't tell anybody what he did, but he lost a son during childbirth and had another one seriously maimed at childbirth due to the horrible hospital facilities in Hong Kong for "civilians" which is what he had to pretend to be. If he had gone to a base for medical care for his family it would have exposed him. Due to that they lost a child. I am reminded of it each time I visit my grandparent's graves and see the one child's headstone next to my grandparents. Sad.
    Image
    R.I.P. Dad. I miss you. You will never be forgotten
    1/12/39 - 8/7/08
    User avatar
    SharkHawk
    * NET Alumni *
     
    Posts: 3883
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:47 am


  • Aros wrote:I caution any paradigms that come from anthropomorphism when it comes to the UFO/ET debate.

    Your assumptions Sonic - all due respect, and I mean that - are based on the thought processes of a primitive species - relatively speaking. I think it's no stretch to assume there are other civilizations out there that are thousands, millions of years ahead of our own. Assuming that's the case, certainly they have a much more refined definition of what is, and what is not possible. From technology to spirituality. What may be "incredible distances" to you and I, are not even a thought to a species that can manipulate time and space as easily as you and I can pour a cup of coffee in the morning.

    This is why it is so difficult for our species to even entertain the notion that not only are we not alone in the universe, but they in fact could be right here. Right now.

    If a species is that far advanced than our own, it's quite likely that they can remain as undetectable as they desire. From cloaking/invisibility to manipulating the molecular structure of matter to move through "solid" objects, that may be just the beginning of what a hypothetically advanced species is capable of.

    In other words, what we deem as limitations is merely our current understanding of the universe, life, consciousness and may in fact have very little bearing on the truth of the possibilities that lie ahead with exponential knowledge.


    That's why I stated improbable and not impossible. However, I'm still confident in my assertion simply because of the sheer size and distance of the Universe and it's trillions upon trillions of celestial bodies. If there are aliens able to travel great distances while flexing time and space I certainly don't view them as a threat, well, I mean besides sucking the energy out of our sun to power their hypothetical spacecraft.
    SUPER BOWL 48 CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!

    RIP ROAD WOES 12/2/2012
    User avatar
    SonicHawk
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 7084
    Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:56 pm


  • I have my doubts that aliens have ever been to our planet, for many of the same reasons Sonic outlined earlier. However due to the unbelievable vastness of space I do believe that other life exists out there somewhere, in some form or other.


    But I do think that the human race is wired to believe that we are important and significant, that we are more than insignificant flyspecks in the universe. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions of course. But to me, the notion that there are intelligent creatures, more advanced in their evolution to the point where their technology far exceeds ours, who somehow not only found our tiny speck of a planet amongst the trillions of planets in the universe but were compromised by our inferior technology/intelligence so that they remain a government controlled secret...


    ...it just didn't happen.
    User avatar
    Trenchbroom
    *SILVER SUPPORTER*
    *SILVER SUPPORTER*
     
    Posts: 1750
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:47 am
    Location: Spokangeles


  • SonicHawk wrote:It's not that I don't think that Aliens exist/ever existed, but the likelihood of us having any kind of contact with them is so improbable it hurts my brain.

    Not only do you have to have two intelligent civilizations living simultaneously but at least one of them has to have the capabilities to travel incredible distances. And, in addition to travelling incredible distances end up actually landing on our planet. 1 of 8 in our system, 1 of 200 billion stars in our galaxy, 1 of 170B galaxies (which some of these galaxies have hundreds of trillions of stars) in the observable universe.

    Not to mention the 270 Million stars that are born each day as well as an equal amount that die.


    I feel like the numbers you're throwing out here actually increase the likelihood of there being an intelligent species that can roam the universe and find other forms of life.
    "Authority should derive from the consent of the governed, not from the threat of force."

    - Barbie from Toy Story 3
    User avatar
    fenderbender123
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 1987
    Joined: Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:47 pm


  • Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean something isn't after you.

    :les:
    Image
    Getting ready for some football
    User avatar
    The Radish
    * NET Radish *
     
    Posts: 18415
    Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:18 pm
    Location: Spokane, Wa.


  • Shark, just read through your posts on being followed around on the road. Quite unnerving to read.
    User avatar
    uncle fester
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 733
    Joined: Fri Apr 09, 2010 2:21 am


  • Strangely enough it hasn't happened since I posted. Haha.

    I saw one car that was all black that pulled up right next to me and the guy gets out a cell phone and starts talking into it a mile a minute and staring right at me. He had full tinted windows, which is totally illegal here... he just kept talking and looking at me. It was funny. I just kept looking right back. He finally pulled off at the same intersection where the other guys had come out of to follow me. Wacky stuff.

    Now I'll probably get it twice as bad. I keep meaning to post this video, but you only see the car in the first two seconds, then the last seven seconds is me almost dropping my phone as I try to do a u-turn. Every time I watch it and see that Avenger pull up that hurried and turned right when they saw my phone I get the heebie jeebies. I wish I had kept the phone up, but I was hurrying and flipping around to go back after them as I had gone through the intersection and they clearly are going straight as you see in the video, but I go through... they go right, and I hurry and pull a U-ey about fifty feet later to try to get back behind them and tail them. Oh well. Let's see if Photobucket will host it.
    Image
    R.I.P. Dad. I miss you. You will never be forgotten
    1/12/39 - 8/7/08
    User avatar
    SharkHawk
    * NET Alumni *
     
    Posts: 3883
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:47 am


  • Image
    Photobucket cuts off the first two seconds, and that's the good part! Here is a screen shot of the car that rolls up on me.
    Image
    R.I.P. Dad. I miss you. You will never be forgotten
    1/12/39 - 8/7/08
    User avatar
    SharkHawk
    * NET Alumni *
     
    Posts: 3883
    Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:47 am


  • You should maybe get a couple of those dashboard cams that Russian drivers use to record other folks' bad driving?
    User avatar
    uncle fester
    NET Veteran
     
    Posts: 733
    Joined: Fri Apr 09, 2010 2:21 am




It is currently Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:54 am

Please REGISTER to become a member

Return to [ THE NET LOUNGE ]




Information
  • Who is online
  • Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 12 guests