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The iPod was it's best product. But it only took other companies a year or two to really match the size, intuitive nature and durability of that product.

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Creative Labs already had a robustly built MP3 player with similar storage sizes before the iPod. What they didn't have was a user interface worth mentioning. A good, simplistic UI is what made the iPod a game-changer, along with Apple's marketing.

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Apple's best product has always been its advertising. I've been saying that for a lot of years. It trumps any actual physical product they have ever made.


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Creative Labs already had a robustly built MP3 player with similar storage sizes before the iPod. What they didn't have was a user interface worth mentioning. A good, simplistic UI is what made the iPod a game-changer, along with Apple's marketing.


I bet you had a Zune.

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I bet you had a Zune.


You lose the bet. What do I receive? I've never owned a Zune. In fact, I haven't owned a dedicated MP3 player since my Creative Labs 40GB one that I bought like...8 years ago?

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Apparently, Zeb. My music's in the cloud, where it should be.

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Apparently, Zeb. My music's in the cloud, where it should be.


That's very possessive of you.

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That's very possessive of you.


Congratulations on understanding the fact that I own my music. Well, most of it. I am in the multi-year process of replacing my pirated stuff with legitimate stuff (probably 75% of the way there) ever since I've been able to buy DRM-free music easily.

Congratulations again on understanding that the word "my" implies ownership. My, you done all growed up!

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The iPod does something which I've yet to find on any other music playback device. This almost sounds nitpicky, but it's not for me, due to the way I like to listen to music. When I put on a track, I usually put on the entire album and listen to it from start to finish. The iPod products are able to seamlessly transition from one song to the next without stopping, popping, clicking, etc, and that is an important feature for those of us who enjoy listening to albums that transition seamlessly from song to song (think Pink Floyd: The Wall).

So far, I have yet to find another product which will seamlessly transition from song to song while also integrating with my car stereo (the other most important feature).

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The iPod does something which I've yet to find on any other music playback device. This almost sounds nitpicky, but it's not for me, due to the way I like to listen to music. When I put on a track, I usually put on the entire album and listen to it from start to finish. The iPod products are able to seamlessly transition from one song to the next without stopping, popping, clicking, etc, and that is an important feature for those of us who enjoy listening to albums that transition seamlessly from song to song (think Pink Floyd: The Wall).

So far, I have yet to find another product which will seamlessly transition from song to song while also integrating with my car stereo (the other most important feature).

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Poweramp is a pretty sick music app, if you play music on your device. I wish Google's Play Music service offered an API that Poweramp could use. The customization is pretty awesome in that app.

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That's very possessive of you.


Congratulations on understanding the fact that I own my music. Well, most of it. I am in the multi-year process of replacing my pirated stuff with legitimate stuff (probably 75% of the way there) ever since I've been able to buy DRM-free music easily.

Congratulations again on understanding that the word "my" implies ownership. My, you done all growed up!


Man you crack me up! :lol:

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Who wants to wager that the new Mac pro is going to exceed the $6000 mark?


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Who wants to wager that the new Mac pro is going to exceed the $6000 mark?


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Who wants to wager that the new Mac pro is going to exceed the $6000 mark?


Worth it!


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Who wants to wager that the new Mac pro is going to exceed the $6000 mark?


If you get it with all the bells and whistles, it'll go for over $10k, just like the last Mac Pro.

The barebones version is all you need for music production (and actually, it's overkill), but for video production, you'd want the real deal. The problem is, you're then stuck with it, you can't even upgrade the video card, unless you use a Thunderbolt based GPU, which don't even exist for the public yet.

Since I work in video production, I purchase a new laptop every two years. Normally spend around $1600 or so, and always stick with the Asus G-series. Hell, my G55 runs circles around my co-workers' Mac Books, and it cost nearly half the price. And when I upgrade again in a year and half, I'll get the newest tech, but they'll still be stuck with their MBPs for another 2 years after that. I honestly don't get their way of thinking sometimes.


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I honestly don't get their way of thinking sometimes.


But but but

It's a Mac Pro. I see them in TV shows and movies and stuff, they must be the best!

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The iPod does something which I've yet to find on any other music playback device. This almost sounds nitpicky, but it's not for me, due to the way I like to listen to music. When I put on a track, I usually put on the entire album and listen to it from start to finish. The iPod products are able to seamlessly transition from one song to the next without stopping, popping, clicking, etc, and that is an important feature for those of us who enjoy listening to albums that transition seamlessly from song to song (think Pink Floyd: The Wall).

So far, I have yet to find another product which will seamlessly transition from song to song while also integrating with my car stereo (the other most important feature).

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Still won't give me on-deck control like the iPod does. Nothing else will with my Clarion deck.

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Get a deck that does support Android devices? :)

Honestly, I prefer controlling my music from my phone rather than the head unit, personally. :229031_shrug:

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The thermal thing is funny, my comp definitely has some heat coming out the back when I do some heavy lifting or haven't cleaned the fins in a while...That said, Macpros are pretty serious computers. You could build your own, for cheaper, for sure, probably. I personally run a 2004 G5 tower(dual 2.7) on OSX.4 still(and serve media to everywhere else in the house). It's iffy on flash sometimes; but hasn't caused an issue yet. Once a year I clean out the dust and it's boss. I don't run any pro programs btw. I'm sure if I maxed out the RAM and got the right versions I could though. I just got a 2nd gen macmini though so I'll probably bootcamp it and install myth or something. Free HW, woo!

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Get a deck that does support Android devices? :)

Honestly, I prefer controlling my music from my phone rather than the head unit, personally. :229031_shrug:


Not sure one exists, to be honest. There were some made with Zune support, but we all know what happened with the Zune. My issue is that I like a clean integration. With my existing setup, I plug in an iPod to the USB dongle that's discretely hidden in my glovebox. No exposed wires, no crappy Bluetooth audio streaming, nada, just a very clean install that looks nearly factory. Controlling the system on an Android device implies that it's physically wired to the head unit, which looks janky, and can cause popping/clicking to occur as the mini TRS plug is jockeyed around in the socket.

This is the sole application where an Apple i-device is superior.

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The thermal thing is funny, my comp definitely has some heat coming out the back when I do some heavy lifting or haven't cleaned the fins in a while...That said, Macpros are pretty serious computers. You could build your own, for cheaper, for sure, probably. I personally run a 2004 G5 tower(dual 2.7) on OSX.4 still(and serve media to everywhere else in the house). It's iffy on flash sometimes; but hasn't caused an issue yet. Once a year I clean out the dust and it's boss. I don't run any pro programs btw. I'm sure if I maxed out the RAM and got the right versions I could though. I just got a 2nd gen macmini though so I'll probably bootcamp it and install myth or something. Free HW, woo!

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We have a 2004 Dual-G5 also, and while it worked fine for SD video, it couldn't handle HD at all (way too long to render). Plus, the coolant leaked not once, but twice, and each time it took a week for the Mac store folks to fix it. (This was a known issue with the 2004 models). It now sits in a closet collecting dust.


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The thermal thing is funny, my comp definitely has some heat coming out the back when I do some heavy lifting or haven't cleaned the fins in a while...That said, Macpros are pretty serious computers. You could build your own, for cheaper, for sure, probably. I personally run a 2004 G5 tower(dual 2.7) on OSX.4 still(and serve media to everywhere else in the house). It's iffy on flash sometimes; but hasn't caused an issue yet. Once a year I clean out the dust and it's boss. I don't run any pro programs btw. I'm sure if I maxed out the RAM and got the right versions I could though. I just got a 2nd gen macmini though so I'll probably bootcamp it and install myth or something. Free HW, woo!

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We have a 2004 Dual-G5 also, and while it worked fine for SD video, it couldn't handle HD at all (way too long to render). Plus, the coolant leaked not once, but twice, and each time it took a week for the Mac store folks to fix it. (This was a known issue with the 2004 models). It now sits in a closet collecting dust.


HD video work pretty much requires a dedicated ASIC, which is likely why it slows to a crawl on any of the old RISC based Crapintoshes.

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Yeah, the coolant leak thing I've been lucky with(I think it helps that I've literally moved it 3 times in 10 years?). It either happens or doesn't..If this comp ever breaks I def. wouldn't fix it or anything; but it's been good for me. Lol, I remember trying to watch a HD movie -once-...haha, it'll serve 'em fine tho' heh(but my less Wh dual 533 G4 would too, hehe)



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In my home, between the kids, wife and I, we have 3 Apple computers, the oldest being a 2009 model and 6 devices running either Windows 7 or 8. I am a System Designer for a large Aerospace company that specializes in Integration with a variety of Operating Systems, from the server level to the desktop.

I can honestly say that the best computer I own is a Macbook running Windows 7. It doesn't have squat for input options though and is asked to very little. If I could take my custom built PC, which is far more powerful and capable of anything with me, I would, the Macbook is the nicest traveler though. Apple fan boys are worse than the average Niner fan, I have had more than one person tell me "nice computer" while using it, including my cousin. I asked him, what's so nice about it? His reply was "it looks cool and it's an Apple so it is better anyways right". I showed it to him, running x64 Win 7. He didn't even know that Apple made their own POS operating system.

No one, I mean NO ONE can justify the existence of Mac OSx. The fact that Apple even charges anything to use it makes me want to puke. Every Mac I own crashes with some frequency, full on, "you need to restart your computer" messages.

Since Win 7 came out, I have yet to crash any of the 6 Windows devices, ZERO crashes, no freezes, nothing. With kids ages 10-14 and a technically challenged wife, that I'd saying something. Especially with a custom built box.

I read all about Roland's dislike for Apple and I know folks like to get a rise out of him, but he is right. I go both ways on this crap, I will still buy Apple stuff, because I get tax credit for it and I need to know everything about all system types, I even use them regularly but if I had to choose only one device to survive on, it would be a PC based system. Some time ago, marketing folks and designers used to have an advantage using a Mac, but those days are long gone.

It has been years since I was working on a project, whether video or text, that I told myself "I should do this with the Mac."

Apple provides machines to kids in schools sometimes, but that is only to keep a population of fan boys around to spew off how great they are. With money as no object as it applies to computing, I choose the PC system. I certainly don't feel that a Mac is a wise financial option, because I really don't care if others think my computer is "cool" and I care more about function than I do the experience of opening the package.

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Interesting. I might have to consider that on my next car. At the time I bought the head unit (spring 2008), this deck wasn't on the market, nor was anything remotely close to it. I don't think I'd ever sign it up for 4g service, though, which would render most of its features relatively moot. Especially true if that 4g service comes via AT&T.

I just thought of another area in which the iPod is better for this application - capacity. Most Android phones have some built-in flash memory, and a micro SD slot to add a bit more, but the sub $250 iPod Classic holds 160 gigs. It's also something I prefer to just leave in the car, rather than plug in and tuck it away every time I get ready to go somewhere, making a $500+ smart phone a bit superfluous in my application. Still, it's a deck that is capable of interfacing with an Android device, though their list of compatible products is very, very short, relative to the sheer number of Android devices out there.

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People have gotten a variety of other Android devices working with that unit, taking a look at their forum for that model. No guarantees though, obviously.

It sounds like you're basically just using the iPod for storage. If that's the case, why not use a 128GB or 256GB USB flash drive?

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People have gotten a variety of other Android devices working with that unit, taking a look at their forum for that model. No guarantees though, obviously.

It sounds like you're basically just using the iPod for storage. If that's the case, why not use a 128GB or 256GB USB flash drive?


The iPod is also responsible for the actual music playback. My present deck supports USB flash drives, but it won't seamlessly transition from song to song when using them. Nitpicky, I know, but most of the music I enjoy has that sort of operatic flow from song to song.

Perhaps some day I'll go to a car audio shop and test the features on this head unit.

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That's what I did with the one I bought. I didn't care about having an overall awesome/top-end deck, but I needed (wanted) AVRCP over Bluetooth as well as the ability to scroll through songs using the volume knob. Any other method of scrolling through a large list of MP3s is incredibly cumbersome and annoying, and at the time (this was 3.5-4 years ago, approximately) almost no decks met this criteria at ANY price point. Amusingly, one that did was a Pioneer $159 (or so) deck which is what I bought.

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When I see that tube all I see is crazy expensive custom replacement parts. No thank you.


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When I see that tube all I see is crazy expensive custom replacement parts. No thank you.


The problem with what you said is "replacement parts". What's replaceable, besides the RAM? :lol:

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Fess up... Who bought a Zune.


By the time the Zune came out there were generics on par with the iPod already.

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Fess up... Who bought a Zune.


By the time the Zune came out there were generics on par with the iPod already.


Back then even Creative's ZEN did more than the ipod, with wider format support including xvid video.
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Not an Apple Fanboy at all, but I work on a 12 core Mac Pro running Windows 7 right now. My Home PC running a single quad core i7-3770 and Windows 7 is more than a match for it performance wise! I do a lot of Solidworks, Autocad/ draftsight on both of them. For me where the Apple excels is the design of their cases/housings. The case on my mac pro has a really nice rubber sealed bay for the Mobo etc. The Monitors have speakers, camera, Microphone and tons of USB ports on the back of them. just nice design work that I can appreciate. But that workstation with dual 27inch monitors cost around $8000 new. My home PC cost me ~$1000 including adding an Nvidia Quadro the Apple does not have. Apple folks seem to be willing to pay the premium for style that most are not. In a business environment can you really justify paying that much more just to impress? And that's where this new Mac Pro is targeted. Not dorm rooms or (most) home offices. They are targeting businesses or contractors who are willing to pay that premium. Pass!

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If you want to pay a premium for a case, you can pay to have a custom one built, or get a premium one that has what you're looking for. There's literally no reason to buy a Mac unless you have a specific need to run software that exists only for OS X. (I shuddered typing that.)

Actually, now that I think about it, you can run OS X in Virtualbox and with the extra hardware you'd get for the same money, I'm sure it'd outperform a native Mac. However, running even a legitimate virtualized copy of OS X probably violates Apple's draconian terms of service, making it an improper solution for business. Just dump OS X-exclusive software, lol.

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