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Rob's thread and the rock vs. rap thing that always happens got me thinking, time for an old school vs. new school thread. The cutoff is "The Chronic" pick a side ladies.. Though it might not be fair, I'll "knock em out the box" with the first post... whatcha got?



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I must be too old school. What's "The Chronic"?


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everyones old school is a lot different than everyone elses though, for me old school is the 90's to 2001, you know the prime of my youth.

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Old school...

Pull up your pants. Don't want or need to see your underwear.

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Chronic 2001? Thats a good cut-off.


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I mean for me, this is old school




All the way to something like this


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Old school...

Pull up your pants. Don't want or need to see your underwear.


uh, wearing a helmet on the slopes kinda makes you new school :th2thumbs:


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Dom where's a helmet everywhere. Safety first.

Southern Hospitality, damn that's a GREAT cut.


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Chronic 2001? Thats a good cut-off.


kinda the apogee if you ask me..but I am sure you could make the argument otherwise.

was gonna save this for the knockout punch, but I guess that thrift shop guy isn't gonna show up...



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Pull up your pants. Don't want or need to see your underwear.


uh, wearing a helmet on the slopes kinda makes you new school :th2thumbs:


I am a blend I suppose. Not a complete dinosaur like Les of Leif.

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lol, I'd probably wear one too, but I'm still rocking 215cm super GS boards :D


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Oh, nochops wants to play games? THIS is old-school...



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Seen these guys in 1991, awesome show.





The second video is their official video and a bit long, but still great.

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Oh, nochops wants to play games? THIS is old-school...



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You want an ol' school artist that raps every lyric? Let's talk about the original, yo:


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Seen these guys in 1991, awesome show.





The second video is their official video and a bit long, but still great.


quality..when all is sad in done, I'll stand next to chuck D as the greatest ever..don't agree...S1W beatdown.


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I'll call with what I believe should be our national anthem...



And raise you the best dead rapper...



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[quote="pehawk"]I'll call with what I believe should be our national anthem...



bwwwaaaahaaaahaaaa. holy shite...Pe wins this thread! Forgot all about that tune


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But for real, can please just all admit that this might be one of the greatest songs in Hip Hop history?



Prodigy's verse gets sampled so much still to this day.

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I used to do a 4 min joke on stage on how Minds Playing Tricks on Me should be our national anthem. How because of that, NO country would dare step up to us. All we'd have to do is erect large speakers on our aircraft carriers, park along China's shore, crank this for all of China to hear and yell "what!?"

Mobb Deep's retarded good. Until, well, 50 signed them.


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I used to do a 4 min joke on stage on how Minds Playing Tricks on Me should be our national anthem. How because of that, NO country would dare step up to us. All we'd have to do is erect large speakers on our aircraft carriers, park along China's shore, crank this for all of China to hear and yell "what!?"

Mobb Deep's retarded good. Until, well, 50 signed them.


50 Ruined a lot of careers during 2006-2008

M.O.P being one of 'em...



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MOP was GREAT.

Any Camp Lo fans? Uptown Saturday Night IS one of the elite LP's made in the past 30 years. Way underrated artistically.



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Okay, old school
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq3nT_BXNbs


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That my man, is "Retirement Home" not Old School.

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I love me some 80's and 90's rap. Can't go wrong with a little Mac Dre.


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Yo! know what I'm sayin' I was down with Donald D and the Syndicate while Throwdown was still sucklin' his mama's teat. Know what I'm sayin', jus' keepin' real, know what I'm sayin'


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Love me some old Outkast and Goodie Mob



For new school I really dig and support Blue Scholars and Atmosphere. Big K.R.I.T. is pretty entertaining, along with J. Cole and Kendrick Lamar.

Geo from Blue Scholars and Bambu's album "Walk Into a Bar" was dope.



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Love me some old Outkast and Goodie Mob



For new school I really dig and support Blue Scholars and Atmosphere. Big K.R.I.T. is pretty entertaining, along with J. Cole and Kendrick Lamar.

Geo from Blue Scholars and Bambu's album "Walk Into a Bar" was dope.



Mannn I was just listening to this..



and Big K.R.I.T. is really an unsung hero, dude is almost under rated.

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I'm so proud of you guys right now I could cry.


You also cried at the series finale of "Friends" so...

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+1 on KRIT. You can just tell by his musicianship he's from Atlanta.


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Had to go deep into my pocket for this one.


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+1 on KRIT. You can just tell by his musicianship he's from Atlanta.


He's actually from Mississippi, but there's a HUGE kind of 90's Houston & Memphis vibe in his music, like UGK, 8 Ball & MJG.

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To me, hip hop's golden age was from about 88 to 97. There's been great stuff made since then (and before, obvs) but those years were the most consistent, 91-94 being the real heart of it, IMO. Where the "new school" really turned into the actual new school. And then Puffy and Master P ruined everything, riding Big and Pac's coattails.

I think 80's hip hop had the most soul, but the skills that were developed over the 90's and 00's is far superior. I actually think these kids doing it right now are more talented rappers by far than we've ever seen, they're just too occupied with making sure they look cool to actually put any real effort into it. It's more important to look like you're hardly even trying than it is to actually do it to the best of your ability. (#swag) It's kind of sickening but whatever, I'm old.

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To me, hip hop's golden age was from about 88 to 97. There's been great stuff made since then (and before, obvs) but those years were the most consistent, 91-94 being the real heart of it, IMO. Where the "new school" really turned into the actual new school. And then Puffy and Master P ruined everything, riding Big and Pac's coattails.

I think 80's hip hop had the most soul, but the skills that were developed over the 90's and 00's is far superior. I actually think these kids doing it right now are more talented rappers by far than we've ever seen, they're just too occupied with making sure they look cool to actually put any real effort into it. It's more important to look like you're hardly even trying than it is to actually do it to the best of your ability. (#swag) It's kind of sickening but whatever, I'm old.



I agree with all of this.


To me Rap/hip-hop should be poetry with a purpose, not ranting and raving about cars or popping bottles. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I personally prefer plenty of substance in the music I listen to.

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Three 6 Mafia for the win. My bad on KRIT, but, he sure has an ATL vibe, to me anyways.

Houston's all about Devin though (Geto Boys too, of course).

I'm kind of bummed there was no support for Camp Lo's Uptown Saturday Night CD. In a snobbier time I wouldn't aknowledge someone as a music lover unless they appreciated that CD. It's a weird outlier for them, because their other stuff stinks really, and I actually saw them at Shorelne Community College 5 years ago. But, no doubt about it, it's sick.


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Three 6 Mafia for the win. My bad on KRIT, but, he sure has an ATL vibe, to me anyways.

Houston's all about Devin though (Geto Boys too, of course).

I'm kind of bummed there was no support for Camp Lo's Uptown Saturday Night CD. In a snobbier time I wouldn't aknowledge someone as a music lover unless they appreciated that CD. It's a weird outlier for them, because their other stuff stinks really, and I actually saw them at Shorelne Community College 5 years ago. But, no doubt about it, it's sick.


Camp Lo was tight. We probably did 3 different songs over that Luchini instrumental. Aes Rock did a song with them back in 03.



Best part for me was at the end of the Luchini video there's a brief snippet of another song off the album called Swing featuring Butterfly from Digable Planets aka Seattle's own Ish from Shabazz Palaces.


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Camp Lo's odd because that one CD is literally (and figuratively) genius. Then? Nothing, really, they stooped to SCC levels.

I cant think of other artists, in any genre, who put out 1 genius LP, then followed it up with literally (and figuratively) nothing. Odd, odd, odd.


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That my man, is "Retirement Home" not Old School.


The original white emcee! You guys don't even know what 'old' means... the 80s are still 'new school'.


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If the performer's voice has no MELODY, than they ain't singing.
If they're essentially reading poetry, it ain't singing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but rappers read, not sing. Right?
So rap is a performance alternative for those who can't carry a tune... right?

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Explain, oh young ones, what differentiates Rap and Hip Hop?
Seems to be the same to me.

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Rap is part of hip hop. Rapping is not singing. Music is music whether you love it or hate it, whether it's good or bad. People who make music are musicians whether talented or not.

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If there is accompanying melody, it's definitely music.
If not, it's spoken poetry, no?

What element of the set of "hip hop" is absent in rap?

I plan on allowing Zebski to indoctrinate me on hip hop and rap in the next few years, for which I'll buy him Hamburger @ Mary's, if she's still open.

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If there is accompanying melody, it's definitely music.
If not, it's spoken poetry, no?


What about rhythm? Are drums not music without and accompanying melody?

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If there is accompanying melody, it's definitely music.
If not, it's spoken poetry, no?


What about rhythm? Are drums not music without and accompanying melody?


Old guys don't get it. No point in arguing.


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If there is accompanying melody, it's definitely music.
If not, it's spoken poetry, no?


What about rhythm? Are drums not music without and accompanying melody?


Old guys don't get it. No point in arguing.


They get it. They just don't like to admit it. ;)

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[quote="Rocket"]If there is accompanying melody, it's definitely music.
If not, it's spoken poetry, no?


What about rhythm? Are drums not music without and accompanying melody?


Old guys don't get it. No point in arguing.


They get it. They just don't like to admit it. ;)[/quote]

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