But...but...you love JJ Abrams...

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Alright, after reading about the Fermi Paradox (glad to have learned about it at least) there is a slight flaw in it's assumption. This flaw is that we are applying our knowledge of human technology and trying to use it as the basis for alien technology. If there is intelligent life elsewhere, isn't there the possibility that they have a way of shielding their transmissions from us? Or, it may be something that we have heard, but didn't realize what it really was.

I realize that this is part of the counterpoint to Fermi, and one that I agree with.

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2013 AAR: Chris Harper

Plus, isn't there evidence (a lot of evidence) that we get visitors all the time? Fermi just seems to ignore that.

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You're the new Oakland Raiders; class-less and dirty (with trash-talking players, and an unapologetic head coach), no respect for the game, with a stadium filled with obnoxious/rude fans dressed up in corny Halloween costumes/flare. -49er fan

It's no wonder the guy who doesn't believe the earth is spinning also thinks NASA is a waste of money. Oy.

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Tanzania¹²

That depends on how loose your definition of "evidence" is.

@Okie: Most theories on this topic suffer from that. Pretty much all of them that I know of, actually. Human beings are terrible at comprehending things we don't have an existing basis of knowledge or visualization for. We can't even really comprehend what a 4th dimension would be like. 2D is flat, 3D is what we have in the real world; depth. What would a 4th dimension to reality be like? 4D is even referred to as an "abstract concept" in mathematics.

Human beings trying to comprehend what an intelligent alien race would be like is a joke. We're probably more likely to fire a dart out of a cannon and hitting that particular grain of sand on a beach 2 miles away than we are to accurately predict what an intelligent alien race would be like. We might not even be able to see them. Human eyes are poor by nature's standards, same with all our other physical senses. What if they can only be seen by infrared, or some other kind of light wavelength that the human eye can't see? We could even have this whole planet already populated by an alien race if they exist in a 4th dimension, or have technology that exists within, but separately from, our own.

There are all kinds of crazy possibilities, many of which we can't even come up with in our own heads. You want to know why I'm confident we haven't had aliens in the traditional sense on this planet as of yet? Look at how they're visually portrayed by pretty much every account, anywhere. In broad terms, they are human. They are bipeds with builds similar to human beings. They have two eyes, a nose, a similar-looking mouth, a neck much thinner than the head, similarly-shaped appendages with digits on the end also known as fingers, etc.

Aliens are just humans projecting, right now. A lot of us want to believe.

I also find it very egotistical to think that we are it, that there is nothing out there in an infinite universe. Maybe that's my faith to a certain extent, but I'm not going to join the Church of Scientology because of it though

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2013 AAR: Chris Harper

I can't speak for others, but my belief that we're probably alone in the universe as far as intelligent life goes is mainly due to how many incredible things had to happen to give rise to the evolution of man in the first place. We don't know either way, though; and I'm not a firm believer (as in, I don't think I 'know' we're alone) in it.

Unless they are our gods. The original master race that produced half-monkey/half original alien creatures that could use half their brains and come up with rudimentary, yet complex ideas by building upon each previous generations success.

I agree, we don't know, that's why I likened it to faith. Well, I guess it is faith really.

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Off-topic

I saw they have a booth at Southcenter mall now. Doesnt say Scientology but its the whole 'free stress test' thing.

Just think, $200,000 later and you get to hear a really weird sci-fi story!

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You're the new Oakland Raiders; class-less and dirty (with trash-talking players, and an unapologetic head coach), no respect for the game, with a stadium filled with obnoxious/rude fans dressed up in corny Halloween costumes/flare. -49er fan

If I had $200k I think I could find much better ways of spending it than brain washing

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2013 AAR: Chris Harper

You think if there is a God of some kind in the traditional sense of the word, that he's anything like any major religion describes? I highly doubt it.



Go with the tried & true?

If there's a god or gods why do you believe it so unlikely that they'd have revealed some information about themselves to the creatures it (they) created? Just curious.

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Tanzania¹²

I don't think it's unlikely. What I think is unlikely is that God would be all visible, performing miracles, and generally up in everybody's faces like he is in the Bible, then nowhere to be seen for thousands of years. Why's he only out & about a couple thousand years ago? There's no reason for it. If you believe in the God in the Christian Bible, he wants you on your knees praying and does all kinds of stuff to prove he's real. Well, if he's so hard-up for attention, (and he is, per the Christian Bible) why doesn't he give us a speech floating above New York City, or something? He managed to spread his word throughout the land back before we could even print a book. People had to make copies by writing another one by hand. With that kind of "communication" system in place, he managed to make a significant portion of the world believe, if you believe in the Christian Bible. Nowadays, performing one little miracle in front of a news crew anywhere in the world would get 20 billion hits on YouTube in a week if he came out and performed even one honest-to-God miracle. Yet, we have nothing.

So...

Well, God did say he created us in his image Zeb if you believe in that stuff.

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2013 AAR: Chris Harper

The more I think about it, the more I'm buying the whole "god was an ancient astronaut" thing. I think it makes more sense than the "always has been always will be" scenario. At least from a practical standpoint.

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Tanzania¹²

BLASPHEMY! BURN HIM!!!!!!!!!!

But, does he weigh as much as a duck?

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2013 AAR: Chris Harper

Man, figured you'd run with that one. Since blasphemers were once considered witches...it loses everything if I have to explain my use of a Python reference

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2013 AAR: Chris Harper