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 Post subject: Re: Underrated Movies
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Ok, give me a movie.


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Ok, give me a movie.


What, for free? Can I have it back when you're done?


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@Absolut: That's hardly an apt demonstration. We're discussing a method of evaluating whether any given movie is underrated. Turning the demonstration into one particular film's merits lets you find ways to pick one example apart, when we're not talking about a specific film, we are talking about an entire process of evaluating them. In other words, nice try at trying to narrow it down into a way you could "win" when it's beside the real topic at hand.

So, no, I refuse to name a single movie for this. I want you to address the process of determining whether something is underrated or not, not discuss the finer points of *insert random film*.

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Tokyo Drift. The most underrated of the fast and furious franchise.



Seriously though, pitch black and lucky number sleven.

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I think Pitch Black is too well-known and considered good by many to be underrated, IMO.

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Speaking of Viggo - Eastern Promises? That was a great film, and I'd say quite underrated.


Totally! Came across that one quite by accident and watched it never having heard a single thing about it. Excellent movie, and a poster case for the definition of "underrated" as it pertains to movies.

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Speaking of Viggo - Eastern Promises? That was a great film, and I'd say quite underrated.


Totally! Came across that one quite by accident and watched it never having heard a single thing about it. Excellent movie, and a poster case for the definition of "underrated" as it pertains to movies.


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Speaking of Viggo - Eastern Promises? That was a great film, and I'd say quite underrated.


Totally! Came across that one quite by accident and watched it never having heard a single thing about it. Excellent movie, and a poster case for the definition of "underrated" as it pertains to movies.


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No you didn't. Eastern Promises doesn't qualify for consideration for underratedness due to lack of required DVD/Blu-Ray sales and having not won any distinguished awards.

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And, Eastern Promises is only underrated in terms of the "average", rube, no class movie going public. For people with tastes and appreciation for the artform, its a good film.


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And, Eastern Promises is only underrated in terms of the "average", rube, no class movie going public. For people with tastes and appreciation for the artform, its a good film.


I will say this: I could have done with seeing more of Viggo's taint in the shower attack scene.

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And, Eastern Promises is only underrated in terms of the "average", rube, no class movie going public. For people with tastes and appreciation for the artform, its a good film.


I will say this: I could have done with seeing more of Viggo's taint in the shower attack scene.


Disagree. It was slightly tanned; to remind all of us what its used for.


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No you didn't. Eastern Promises doesn't qualify for consideration for underratedness due to lack of required DVD/Blu-Ray sales and having not won any distinguished awards.


Reading comprehension fail. I specifically said how many they've won and of what type, and how many disc sales they've had, count. We're talking about underrated movies, so the fewer awards/sales, the better, by and large.

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No you didn't. Eastern Promises doesn't qualify for consideration for underratedness due to lack of required DVD/Blu-Ray sales and having not won any distinguished awards.


Reading comprehension fail. I specifically said how many they've won and of what type, and how many disc sales they've had, count. We're talking about underrated movies, so the fewer awards/sales, the better, by and large.


So you're saying Eastern Promises is overrated?

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I have no idea; I haven't even seen it. I was just referring to the rest of that post.

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So you're telling me that you can judge whether or not a movie is underrated just based on certain factors like awards and DVD sales even if you haven't seen it???

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No, I'm not talking about that movie in any way; or any other one I haven't seen. I was commenting on your criteria, or more specifically, you making fun of my criteria in a way I never intended it when I explained it.

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I'm just trying to apply your construct of concrete measures to an determine an arbitrary system of value. How do you apply the theory that if a film sells a lot of blu-rays and wins a bunch of awards, someone thinks it's overrated? So far your paradigm only allows for that movie to be underrated.

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I'm just trying to apply your construct of concrete measures to an determine an arbitrary system of value. How do you apply the theory that if a film sells a lot of blu-rays and wins a bunch of awards, someone thinks it's overrated? So far your paradigm only allows for that movie to be underrated.


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I'm just trying to apply your construct of concrete measures to an determine an arbitrary system of value. How do you apply the theory that if a film sells a lot of blu-rays and wins a bunch of awards, someone thinks it's overrated? So far your paradigm only allows for that movie to be underrated.


It's an amalgamation of criteria, kind of like a sliding scale, to help figure out if a movie is underrated, or not. It's not a scale that "automatically implies" That movie X is underrated. You posted the dictionary definition of "underrated" which, as it turns out, is ridiculously ambiguous and highly open to interpretation. I've asked you twice to define what you think makes a movie underrated, but you haven't given an answer. Since the definition of the word is something you can apply to any film, it needs some sort of series of criteria to be set for it. If you just want to stick with "well, anything can be underrated, it depends on people's opinions" or something along those lines, then just say so.

My point that you're asking about earlier is that, by the dictionary definition of "underrated", even a film that everyone loves that won a ton of awards and sold a gazillion copies can still be underrated.

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Wow, I paid a little big of attention to this thread a while back, just to see what people thought, and then ignored it. Looking at it now, it's the perfect example of how the internet works. This thread has everything.


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You know Roland there was a loophole discovered to worm out of exactly these predicaments.

You can accuse Abs of obsessing, attacking the poster, then complain and have Les shut this down. It worked for that member, when he too found himself knee-deep in his own contradictory logic.

"Abs, quit obsessing!"..."keep it up"...start there.


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You know Roland there was a loophole discovered to worm out of exactly these predicaments.


I don't run from arguments. It takes a lot to run me off from one.

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Obviously having his theory disproven doesn't even work.

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We're officially past denial, and on to acceptance. Kudos to Roland for NOT having Les shut it down.


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We're officially past denial, and on to acceptance. Kudos to Roland for NOT having Les shut it down.


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Not an underrated movie, I'd say, but a movie that not many people I know have seen for some reason: Full Metal Jacket


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Not an underrated movie, I'd say, but a movie that not many people I know have seen for some reason: Full Metal Jacket


Perhaps because Stanley Kubrik films are not worth the time of watching them? I admit to pretty much skipping seeing this since I have been put to sleep by almost every other Kubrik film I have seen.

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Dude, Full Metal Jacket is full of win. At least the first half is. The second half goes from funny to dark and depressing.

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Yeah, SacHawk is bang on the money there. It's not underrated though, Outfield. Kubrick's best film, I'd say. A Clockwork Orange and the Shining are also very good.

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Outfield, you need to reconsider who your friends are if most of them have not seen FMJ. Fantastic film.

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I'm with BASF on the Kubric front. His movies suck.

I agree with Sac on FMJ. The first half was good but the second half sucked. The bad hour doesn't make up for the good.


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Sac finished his post by saying "Great flick." You don't agree with him, then.

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Alright, if you only like the first half of FMJ, then you don't really like the film. You like insult comedy, that's it.

the second part of the movie is the better part for me. A gritty look at the reality of the Vietnam war.

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I wouldn't say the second part is better, personally. I think the big change in the nature of the film from the first half to the second half is a uniquely done piece of film history that combines to create a great overall film that is better than the sum of its two major parts. I wouldn't like the movie anywhere near as much if the whole thing was only in the style of the first half, or only in the style of the second half.

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Yeah, SacHawk is bang on the money there. It's not underrated though, Outfield. Kubrick's best film, I'd say. A Clockwork Orange and the Shining are also very good.


I haven't seen Eyes Wide Shut, but asides from that I love all of Kubrick's films. Dr Strangelove is easily my favourite though, and is definitely underrated.


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