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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:17 pm
  • JesterHawk wrote:Well, when I'm talking about weight loss, I'm talking about reduction in the general fatness of my person. I understand that muscle is heavier than fat. I have changed my diet, and not temporarily, to achieve true healthy weight loss.


    What I meant by can of worms term is that 'weight loss', to most people, equals what they see on a scale. 250lbs last week 240lbs this week. I have lost 10lbs. While technically true, it means close to nothing. Chances are, that person lost 8lbs of water from system shock and dehydration, .25lbs of actual fat, and 1.75lbs of muscle from malnutrition and the persons body going into starvation mode. Drag this out over a longer length of time, the dehydration lessens, but the others remain somewhat constant. Causing a longer term problem with the loss of actual lean body mass, which in turn lowers metabolic rate, etc, etc...
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:09 am
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    JesterHawk wrote:Well, when I'm talking about weight loss, I'm talking about reduction in the general fatness of my person. I understand that muscle is heavier than fat. I have changed my diet, and not temporarily, to achieve true healthy weight loss.


    What I meant by can of worms term is that 'weight loss', to most people, equals what they see on a scale. 250lbs last week 240lbs this week. I have lost 10lbs. While technically true, it means close to nothing. Chances are, that person lost 8lbs of water from system shock and dehydration, .25lbs of actual fat, and 1.75lbs of muscle from malnutrition and the persons body going into starvation mode. Drag this out over a longer length of time, the dehydration lessens, but the others remain somewhat constant. Causing a longer term problem with the loss of actual lean body mass, which in turn lowers metabolic rate, etc, etc...



    Would you say that overtraining...for example burning 2000 cals a day through cardio while only eating 1200...can also cause this type of problem? I've been trying to burn 1000 cals a day in cardio, sometimes twice if I do cardio before and after work.

    Btw someone brought in a load of donuts and left them in the faculty lounge at work...man that was tempting and ordinarily I would have scarfed 2-3 without even thinking...but I willed myself to walk away. lol
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:12 am
  • At my age almost everything I eat turns to blubber regardless of how much I work out. My largest downfall is craft beers. I love em and they are LOADED with empty calories.
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:04 am
  • RiggoReincarnated wrote:Would you say that overtraining...for example burning 2000 cals a day through cardio while only eating 1200...can also cause this type of problem? I've been trying to burn 1000 cals a day in cardio, sometimes twice if I do cardio before and after work.


    Yes, that will cause serious problems. You're body will be going to your lean mass/muscle and stripping it down for energy (which is what calories are) if you are only eating 1200 calories a day. And if you're burning 2k a day through cardio alone, you need to put the other ~2500 you are probably burning anyway. So if you're short 3k calories, you're asking for trouble. Fat is stored energy that your body burns when you are in a caloric deficit - but so is muscle and if you are consuming too few calories (which 1200 is), then your body will strip your muscle for energy

    Read this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basal_metabolic_rate

    Personally, my body needs ~2100 calories a day just to support vital functions (my BMR). A day at work without the gym is going to add over 1k calories on top of that. Obviously several hundred more when I do hit the gym. You NEED to eat enough to allow your body to function properly. Try to find a calorie estimator online, and just subtract 10-20% of that for your daily goal. If you keep eating 1200 calories a day, you're going to wither and look & feel like hell.
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:16 am
  • I know there's some guys in this thread that really know their stuff, and I'm curious to get some opinions on this guy's plant based diet. Not looking to go vegan, oh hell no, but this guys seems to have some solid concepts and articulates them clearly and I'll take help from wherever I can get it.

    http://thriveforward.com/

    Here's an introductory video:


    I came across this because I gave up sugar for 30 days a little over two weeks ago and I found it difficult to shake the cravings so I was googling around exploring different ideas.

    Basically where I'm at is I lost 60 lbs from May to the beginning of December, and since I've only lost 5 lbs. I've got that last 20lbs of bodyfat I'm trying to get rid of and I'm definitely putting in the work in the gym. Clearly the problem is with my diet and it seems like I have issues with craving sweets, especially in the mid to late afternoon.

    anyway, look forward to feedback and opinions.

    Thanks

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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:22 am
  • I don't want to sign up for that site so I'm only going by the video. Obviously promoting eating plants and whole foods is a fundamental to good health, but I don't care for the "nutrients matter, not calories" angle. When you eat a plant based diet and are a distance runner, you're going to burn a shit-ton of calories so you don't have to worry about calories. And personally, I don't want to look like that guy. Vegetarians are no doubt healthy (if they do it right) but if you weight train and want a decent amount of lean mass, you're going to be missing out on some complete proteins by going truly vegan.

    I know guys like Tony Gonzales claim to be vegan and are totally yoked, but he apparently supplements with soy protein and still eats some chicken and fish - and, I would imagine, a ton of grain and bean based carbs. But again, most of us don't exercise for a living and have access to what he does. I think it's decent advice to train and eat like the guy you want to look like.

    I don't think giving up something is the answer - like the guy says in the video, if you completely restrict something or an entire group, you're probably going to struggle. Obviously sugar isn't something you want much of, but having a couple pieces of chocolate during the day or after dinner won't hurt. People seem to get tripped up with the "everything in moderation" mantra, because they think they can have a bunch of small servings of their vice food(s) every day. Long term trends are what count with weight loss, so you have to be able to sustain something sensible and effective.
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:30 am
  • sadhappy wrote:I know there's some guys in this thread that really know their stuff, and I'm curious to get some opinions on this guy's plant based diet. Not looking to go vegan, oh hell no, but this guys seems to have some solid concepts and articulates them clearly and I'll take help from wherever I can get it.

    http://thriveforward.com/

    Here's an introductory video:


    I came across this because I gave up sugar for 30 days a little over two weeks ago and I found it difficult to shake the cravings so I was googling around exploring different ideas.

    Basically where I'm at is I lost 60 lbs from May to the beginning of December, and since I've only lost 5 lbs. I've got that last 20lbs of bodyfat I'm trying to get rid of and I'm definitely putting in the work in the gym. Clearly the problem is with my diet and it seems like I have issues with craving sweets, especially in the mid to late afternoon.

    anyway, look forward to feedback and opinions.

    Thanks

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    I've found that keeping some type of carb and protein constantly in my system helps me avoid the urge for sweets. Its when I'm feeling starved and blood sugar is low that chocolate seems flat out irresistable. One reason why I drink a protein BCAA supplement drink immediately after working out now.

    As for fruits and veggies, they are important now because they have antioxidants and help flush out free radicals from your system after exercise.

    I found earlier in my diet when I was just eating raw veggies and fruit at lunch, I felt like I couldn't work out as hard as I do when I have some pasta or rice with lunch.

    Alcohol along with a high carb meal is very bad as well. Carbs are great, just have to make sure one is using them for energy and not eating an excess before going to sleep.
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:45 am
  • sadhappy wrote:I know there's some guys in this thread that really know their stuff, and I'm curious to get some opinions on this guy's plant based diet. Not looking to go vegan, oh hell no, but this guys seems to have some solid concepts and articulates them clearly and I'll take help from wherever I can get it.

    http://thriveforward.com/

    Here's an introductory video:


    I came across this because I gave up sugar for 30 days a little over two weeks ago and I found it difficult to shake the cravings so I was googling around exploring different ideas.

    Basically where I'm at is I lost 60 lbs from May to the beginning of December, and since I've only lost 5 lbs. I've got that last 20lbs of bodyfat I'm trying to get rid of and I'm definitely putting in the work in the gym. Clearly the problem is with my diet and it seems like I have issues with craving sweets, especially in the mid to late afternoon.

    anyway, look forward to feedback and opinions.

    Thanks

    -s


    Plant based diets and I don't get along, so I won't really have an opinion on the video. I will, however, reinforce the age old adages that "you are what you eat" (careful guys this isn't the shack ;)), and "abs are made in the kitchen, not the gym". Those last 20lbs are the hardest to get rid of, but they will come off over time if you're diligent.

    I may disagree with this guy (and Jester) as to WHAT the primary foods of a diet are, but I certainly don't disagree with the premise that fit doesn't necessarily equal healthy. My 'fitness level' is more a by-product of my lifestyle than anything else, and I let it go at that. I'm healthy in the sense that I'm rarely ill, my body feels good for the most part, and my measurables are all within range. (Other than BMI since I'm a 235lb, 5'10" powerlifter)

    My household (everyone in it) regularly spend 4 to 5 days per week in the gym training toward some goal. Mostly something competitive because we believe that there is an extra drive that you get by training for a competitive purpose. This could be anything from a big powerlifting meet or strongman competition for me, to a mud run or 10k for one of my daughters. We also all kind of follow the same type of diet, with individual tweaks, and individual weaknesses. Non of us are perfect, and all of us have one or two food nemeses.

    Personally, I follow a mixture of intermittent fasting and carb backloading. So a typical non-training day would look like;
    • Wake up at 5am having roughly 10 hours of fasting since 7pm, the previous nights dinner
    • Continue fasting until 11am or so to get somewhere around 16 hours of fasting in
    • 11am - Eat some form of protein (MEAT) and a green leafy salad
    • 4pm - Syntrax whey isolate protein 32oz water / 52g Protein
    • 7pm - Eat some form of protein (MEAT) and a green leafy salad
    And then a typical training day would look the same, but I would eat ANYTHING (and I mean anything. Think doughnuts/ice cream/gooey pastries) that I have been craving post training session, and I would add another 32oz protein drink pre-workout and a 24oz BCAA drink intra-workout.

    I don't drink alcohol, sodas, or any other sugary or super sweet drinks. (Again, this isn't ALWAYS. My wife and I share a popcorn and Mountain Dew at the movies.)
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:30 pm
  • Six months ago, I would have agreed with you Anguish. After watching the documentary "Forks over Knives" and then backing up the claims in it by reading The China Study and multiple writings by nutritionists and doctors, I am sold on a whole-foods, plant-based diet (I don't use the word 'Vegan' unless I'm trying to order at a restaurant). I don't want to save the whales, and I'm not even against eating some chicken or fish now and then. I'm still planning a nice prime rib on my birthday.

    There is an ever increasing amount of empirical and scientific data to back up the concept that animal based products are not good for your overall body health. I didn't 'give up' anything. I started increasing my intake of nutrient-dense badass superveggies (Kale is one of my favorites) and found that other foods didn't 'feel' right anymore. Your body will let you know how it feels about your dietery selections, you probably just haven't been paying attention (If your bowel movements could set a record at the NFL combine, you're doing it wrong). Over time, I just decided that an apple sounded better for breakfast than a doughnut because I didn't feel like shit after I ate the apple. I can still eat doughnuts, I just choose not to 99% of the time.

    I'm going to give dairy it's own paragraph here because I think it's up there with sugar among the worst things you can put in your body and it gets pushed as a healthy food choice by the American media constantly. Just think about the purpose of cows milk for a minute. A baby cow is born and it drinks milk as it's sole source of nutrition so it can go from being a 60lb baby calf to a several hundred pound cow that can feed itself. When it's big enough to feed itself, the cow doesn't drink milk anymore. So unless you're planning on quintupling your bodyweight over the next year or two, dairy products should be extremely limited in your diet. Dairy also promotes the growth rate of cancer cells btw. If you're going to do it though, look for organic, grass fed dairy products.

    This is getting stupid long, so I'm going to keep this part short. Organic is a must for most foods. GMO's are bad, duh? At the very least, google "The Dirty Dozen" for veggies and buy those organic (Potatos and Apples are consistently the top 2 but it changes every year). If you've ever seen a cow farm (a meat farm, not a dairy farm) it's gross as hell. They are packed in like sardines on a packed dirt (no grass) patch of land and they just dump corn mush on them to feed them. Chicken farms are nasty too. Get free range, air cooled chicken (if it isn't air cooled, it's been cooled in a big vat of water and chlorine).

    We had a whole thread on sugar here a few months back. Google 'Sugar the bitter truth' for a sciency video about sugar. The guy in that video also has a book out, I forget the name at the moment, but it covers a lot more and tones down the science to a more layman level.

    Absolut, totally get you on the 'moderation' line man. Moderation doesn't mean you can have a little bit every day it just means you can enjoy a treat once in awhile and if you're taking care of your body correctly, meaning your waste handling mechanisms aren't all jammed up from eating an American Diet, then your body can process that load just fine (pun intended).

    TL;DR Go organic, don't eat dairy, limit meat intake, sugar is bad.

    P.S. I can't speak for powerlifting because I don't think that's a natural function of the body, but there are several Vegan/Vegitarian MMA Fighters that don't seem to have trouble getting enough of what they need from a plant-based diet. Link
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:08 pm
  • This is really good stuff guys.

    I'm working off the assumption I have cravings in the afternoon even after quitting sugar because my diet is deficient in something. I don't think it's lack of calories. I use a service called training peaks and log all my workouts and everything I eat so I'm not rationalizing or doing anything crazy/unsound. I even use a withings wifi scale that takes my weight and bodyfat% and automatically uploads it to training peaks.

    I'm trying to operate at -1kcal/day 6 days a week to produce just shy of 2lbs of bodyfat loss a week. as I've lost weight my BMR has of course been dropping, and I don't burn as many calories from working out since I'm in much better shape now (my lactate threshold is 163 beats per minute which is damn good for a 42 year old man who was an obese smoker less than a year ago). I've been doing the work, logging the data, everything that was working for me up until December but I have less wiggle room to work with calorie-wise and these late day cravings keep sabotaging me.

    I've always thought I had a glucose sensitivity since I have a really bad sweet tooth hence the reason for the sugar quit. I can tell you I fall asleep more easily and sleep better since I kicked the sugar to the curb, but the hunger pangs late in the day have not gone away and so there's still a mystery here.

    I'm not kicking my whey powder and my meat to the curb. Hell no. But I'm open to getting away from prepackaged foods and moving more towards eating whole and unprocessed foods. This sugar quit has really opened my eyes to just how pervasive it is, it's in frigging everything! Try to buy one bag of groceries at the store that has no refined sugar or high fructose corn syrup in it and you'll quickly discover what I mean.
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:17 pm
  • If you're just into the whey protein for the protein, get yourself a real blender (Vitamix) and make your own 'shakes' (green smoothies).
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:21 pm
  • I have a blendtec and make smoothies whenever it's practical. The whey shake is the post workout recovery drink, not dragging my blendtec to the gym! Lots and lots of research showing that whey protein taken within 20 minutes of a workout produces the best bang for the workout. the longer you wait to take in the recovery drink the less good it does you.
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:24 pm
  • Well, I think hairs are being split over "plant-based." Meaning it isn't meat based but that isn't the same as being vegan. This is right from the article:

    "Training for his fights now, Fitch has adopted a new fighter diet along with a few other UFC guys. The new MMA diet has gone vegetarian. They haven’t done vegan, as fish, eggs, and whey protein are still part of their competition and training diet."

    A lot of china study, vegan rhetoric is anti-protein. Obviously this isn't the case here. Start with whole foods, eat the right amount of protein, carbs and fats for your goals and don't be stupid with processed foods is pretty much how I go about it. I guess I've just gone through enough rounds with people who think protein is the devil that I'm a bit jaded by the subject.

    And stop being scared to learn how to weight train and making excuses about it not being natural ;)
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:26 pm
  • There's certainly a lot of things that are not food in our food nowadays.

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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:40 pm
  • sadhappy wrote:I have a blendtec and make smoothies whenever it's practical. The whey shake is the post workout recovery drink, not dragging my blendtec to the gym! Lots and lots of research showing that whey protein taken within 20 minutes of a workout produces the best bang for the workout. the longer you wait to take in the recovery drink the less good it does you.


    Not as much as the supp companies lead you on. theres a lot of recent info about the "post exercise window" being debunked. If you're eating properly throughout the day, then you're fine. I stopped taking whey after a workout a long time ago and havent noticed any difference at all. I go home and have dinner, which is probably the most anti-catabolic thing you can do.
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:05 pm
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    sadhappy wrote:I have a blendtec and make smoothies whenever it's practical. The whey shake is the post workout recovery drink, not dragging my blendtec to the gym! Lots and lots of research showing that whey protein taken within 20 minutes of a workout produces the best bang for the workout. the longer you wait to take in the recovery drink the less good it does you.


    Not as much as the supp companies lead you on. theres a lot of recent info about the "post exercise window" being debunked. If you're eating properly throughout the day, then you're fine. I stopped taking whey after a workout a long time ago and havent noticed any difference at all. I go home and have dinner, which is probably the most anti-catabolic thing you can do.


    Well that's interesting. This crap is so confusing!
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:16 pm
  • Well, the idea is to make it not confusing by being consistent with meeting your goals each day. You can essentially disregard nutrient timing since you aren't a professional athlete/Olympian. Just hit your goals for protein/fat/carbs every day with good food and you're fine. Theres pros & cons for everything as far as when to eat, fasted training, etc. But at the end of the day, if you ate when you were hungry and when it was convenient, ate decent food and hit your goals, you can't come up with a con for that.
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:55 pm
  • AbsolutNET wrote:Well, I think hairs are being split over "plant-based." Meaning it isn't meat based but that isn't the same as being vegan. This is right from the article:

    "Training for his fights now, Fitch has adopted a new fighter diet along with a few other UFC guys. The new MMA diet has gone vegetarian. They haven’t done vegan, as fish, eggs, and whey protein are still part of their competition and training diet."

    A lot of china study, vegan rhetoric is anti-protein. Obviously this isn't the case here. Start with whole foods, eat the right amount of protein, carbs and fats for your goals and don't be stupid with processed foods is pretty much how I go about it. I guess I've just gone through enough rounds with people who think protein is the devil that I'm a bit jaded by the subject.

    And stop being scared to learn how to weight train and making excuses about it not being natural ;)


    Who's anti-protein?
    http://www.3fatchicks.com/top-8-vegetab ... n-protein/

    I generally don't recommend playing with soy proteins lightly, some soy stuff is pretty bad for you too, but it is pretty protein dense. I haven't done a lot of research here since my wife is allergic to soy anyway, we just kind of skipped it all together. But it's there if you want it, just do some research first.

    I'm not debating at all that protein isn't part of a healthy diet, clearly it is essential to have protein. You can get it without the meat though. I didn't work too hard for that link, I know there is at least one UFC guy who is vegan and you can find plenty of athletes who eat a vegan diet.

    I don't think we're very far apart, and I don't think either of us is intent on making changes, but I wanted to add those bits to the discussion.

    Oh, and I'm not afraid to weight train, I think I misread weight training as bodybuilding, which when taken to the extreme doesn't reflect anything that the average person needs. Maybe it isn't possible to get the protein you need to be Mr. Universe from plants but that doesn't concern me.

    BTW, how much vitamin K is in your chicken? ;)
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:04 pm
  • I meant other people that use the China study and veganism as the construct for ideal health I've "debated" with have been oddly anti-protein, I didn't mean you.

    Powerlifting and bodybuilding are different things. The last thing my body is capable of is a defined muscle, so I just lift to get stronger and because I can't run.

    But more interestingly, you found a girl to marry you? Good god man, how much chloroform did that take?
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:08 pm
  • My real life persona is much more accommodating to members of the opposite sex. I'm just a nerd / nice guy who likes to rage on Seahawks message boards. Incredibly blessed with an amazing wife, we just celebrated 10 years in July.

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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:15 pm
  • I just wanna get rid of this one ab slab, and it's turned out to be a lot harder than losing 60 frigging lbs in 6 months. Well if it forces me to get my diet and nutrition pimped out I'm cool with it.
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:17 pm
  • I'm reading this thread, and all I can think is: I want some pizza.

    Seriously, though, I really wish beer wasn't my main hobby, because I'm 100% sure I'd drop about 20 lbs if I just stopped drinking all together. So there's your warning, kids. Don't become a wine/beer/bourbon snob. It will get you in the end.
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:24 pm
  • Sarlacc83 wrote:I'm reading this thread, and all I can think is: I want some pizza.

    Seriously, though, I really wish beer wasn't my main hobby, because I'm 100% sure I'd drop about 20 lbs if I just stopped drinking all together. So there's your warning, kids. Don't become a wine/beer/bourbon snob. It will get you in the end.


    I like to think that I've mastered the art of drinking and have moved on to bigger and better things. :thirishdrinkers:
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:41 pm
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:41 am
  • Before the thread goes too far down the road of the typical .net snarkfest, I want to consolidate the things that caught me eye out of the discussion.

    AbsolutNET wrote:Obviously promoting eating plants and whole foods is a fundamental to good health

    I don't think giving up something is the answer - like the guy says in the video, if you completely restrict something or an entire group, you're probably going to struggle. Obviously sugar isn't something you want much of, but having a couple pieces of chocolate during the day or after dinner won't hurt.


    Yea his crowding concept makes a world of sense to me. Taking a positive posture towards change rather than feeling like you're denying yourself something and the change is more likely to stick and you're gonna feel better about it.

    Regarding sugar, I looked it up and the USDA recommended daily intake for A 2kcal/day diet is 32 grams. a single can of coca cola has 39 grams of sugar. Ketchup is over 20% sugar by weight. It's all pervasive and the daily recommendations are very easily exceeded just in the food most people eat on a daily basis that they don't think of as 'sweet'.

    Not only that, what's with all the stuff in food that ends in 'ose'? It's stuff that's been dicked with at a molecular level so it's not officially 'sugar', when in reality it's one or two molecules away and confuses the the body because there's no payoff associated with the 'sweet' flavor, so the body keeps craving and chasing something that isn't there. That's why people don't lose weight from diet soda I rekcon, just makes people hungry.

    Anguish wrote:"abs are made in the kitchen, not the gym". Those last 20lbs are the hardest to get rid of, but they will come off over time if you're diligent.

    My household (everyone in it) regularly spend 4 to 5 days per week in the gym training toward some goal. Mostly something competitive because we believe that there is an extra drive that you get by training for a competitive purpose.

    There's certainly a lot of things that are not food in our food nowadays.


    You're like the tom cable of nutrition. I love simple sayings that are easy to remember and keep top of mind. I really like the idea of having a goal to work towards, gives one focus. I'm focusing on a surf trip to Indonesia this summer, which would have been an impossibility just a few months ago.

    Jesterhawk wrote:Absolut, totally get you on the 'moderation' line man. Moderation doesn't mean you can have a little bit every day it just means you can enjoy a treat once in awhile and if you're taking care of your body correctly, meaning your waste handling mechanisms aren't all jammed up from eating an American Diet, then your body can process that load just fine (pun intended).

    TL;DR Go organic, don't eat dairy, limit meat intake, sugar is bad.


    It really seems like you and absolut are 90% on the same page. I'm totally on board with eating whole foods, adding a LOT more plant based matter, and getting away from processed stuff as much as practical. it might not be Convenient, but I am on board with the idea that a properly nourished and exercised body will be healthy all on it's own, no need to 'diet' or feel like your going hungry. I think I've been shoveling all this junk in my mouth for so long my brain no longer knows how to interpret and differentiate various types of impulses; what they mean, beyond hungry and thirsty. I'm hopeful that with a clean diet my brain can learn how to interpret what it's being told and the impulses that pop into my head become more specific and accurate.
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    Jesterhawk wrote:Absolut, totally get you on the 'moderation' line man. Moderation doesn't mean you can have a little bit every day it just means you can enjoy a treat once in awhile and if you're taking care of your body correctly, meaning your waste handling mechanisms aren't all jammed up from eating an American Diet, then your body can process that load just fine (pun intended).

    TL;DR Go organic, don't eat dairy, limit meat intake, sugar is bad.


    It really seems like you and absolut are 90% on the same page. I'm totally on board with eating whole foods, adding a LOT more plant based matter, and getting away from processed stuff as much as practical. it might not be Convenient, but I am on board with the idea that a properly nourished and exercised body will be healthy all on it's own, no need to 'diet' or feel like your going hungry. I think I've been shoveling all this junk in my mouth for so long my brain no longer knows how to interpret and differentiate various types of impulses; what they mean, beyond hungry and thirsty. I'm hopeful that with a clean diet my brain can learn how to interpret what it's being told and the impulses that pop into my head become more specific and accurate.


    One of things I really enjoy about living in the Pacific Northwest is that it's very easy to eat seasonal vegetables which makes a world of difference where it concerns flavor. Also, there's so much organic food out here, and it's only a couple dollars more expensive than the 'mass produced' stuff (I know that organic food can be produced in large quantities) so with some good budgeting it's easier to get there. Growing up in Wisconsin, I was always under the impression life was out of a can or out of a casserole, and because of it, I wound up being a very picky eater. Now I'm able to enjoy most anything. (Except raw red onions and raw tomatoes).
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:34 am
  • Regarding sugar: I haven't gotten super deep into sugar but it's my next area of focus researchwise. Obviously processed sugar is bad and really all sugar acts the same (in a vacuum) inside the body. There is some research supporting sugar combined with fiber being more "ok". Meaning, if you eat a whole apple WITH the skin you're consuming less "bad sugar" than if you had peeled the apple. Obviously this doesn't just apply to apples and I'm not sure if you can just "add fiber" through other foods or if it has to be the fiber of THAT food (Ie the apple skin).

    But I think, in general, you're rolling the right way Sad. Processed food should be eliminated if possible, nobody who manufactures processed food for a living is thinking about the end result of the people eating the food. That is a harsh reality. They don't care about anything but profits. If you just buy organic, whole foods and process them yourself it makes a huge difference. Partly because you're not using chemicals and other additives to process things in huge batches and partly because you get more nutrition from foods by eating them more quickly following the processing of them.
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Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:03 pm
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    sadhappy wrote:
    Jesterhawk wrote:Absolut, totally get you on the 'moderation' line man. Moderation doesn't mean you can have a little bit every day it just means you can enjoy a treat once in awhile and if you're taking care of your body correctly, meaning your waste handling mechanisms aren't all jammed up from eating an American Diet, then your body can process that load just fine (pun intended).

    TL;DR Go organic, don't eat dairy, limit meat intake, sugar is bad.


    It really seems like you and absolut are 90% on the same page. I'm totally on board with eating whole foods, adding a LOT more plant based matter, and getting away from processed stuff as much as practical. it might not be Convenient, but I am on board with the idea that a properly nourished and exercised body will be healthy all on it's own, no need to 'diet' or feel like your going hungry. I think I've been shoveling all this junk in my mouth for so long my brain no longer knows how to interpret and differentiate various types of impulses; what they mean, beyond hungry and thirsty. I'm hopeful that with a clean diet my brain can learn how to interpret what it's being told and the impulses that pop into my head become more specific and accurate.


    One of things I really enjoy about living in the Pacific Northwest is that it's very easy to eat seasonal vegetables which makes a world of difference where it concerns flavor. Also, there's so much organic food out here, and it's only a couple dollars more expensive than the 'mass produced' stuff (I know that organic food can be produced in large quantities) so with some good budgeting it's easier to get there. Growing up in Wisconsin, I was always under the impression life was out of a can or out of a casserole, and because of it, I wound up being a very picky eater. Now I'm able to enjoy most anything. (Except raw red onions and raw tomatoes).


    Yea we got farmer's markets all over in Florida and lots of roadside fruit and vegetable stands. Can get great deals, way cheaper than the grocery store if you're a savvy shopper. And fresh picked tastes a lot better no question.

    I just need to make that kind of shopping a regular staple instead of the occasional lark. :)
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Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:46 am
  • Any suggestions on how to really tone the midsection? I'm at a size 38 now...started around a 42/44. Want to get to around the 32-34 range.

    It seems like the gut has been the most stubborn area to really cut out fat and tone.
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  • There are tons of ab exercises. Work the lower abs first, then the upper. It should not be done in reverse of this. And if you don't drink alcohol then there is something else that you are doing that is preventing the loss of that last bit of flab.

    Remember, fat cells imbed themselves in areas that have had accumulations in the past and they stay there. So the first place fat goes is to those cells and they glom onto it.
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  • Sarlacc83 wrote:Growing up in Wisconsin, I was always under the impression life was out of a can or out of a casserole,


    BUAHAHAHA, this is so true; and those people salt the holy hell out of everything. Including their freaking beer. I'm starting to wonder if excessive salt is really bad for you or not, though; my grandparents that live in Wisconsin are still kicking at the ages of 86 and 83 I believe, and I've watched them pour ridiculous amounts of salt on everything my whole life. My grandmother makes tomato sandwiches where she sits there salting the tomato for like, 30 seconds. Seriously, by the time she's done, you can barely see the tomato. It's ridiculous. Yet, they're still alive and in relatively good health. :229031_shrug:
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  • Thanks, I'm thinking of incorporating some kettlebell training into my routine as well. A dude I know swears by them in terms of working core stability and functional strength. He says too many people that lift with bad technique/form/bad core stability are only compounding muscular imbalances that already exist. Not that lifting is bad, but it should only be done if the core stability and balance are not being neglected.


    He's also a big proponent of making sure to stretch the hip flexors and activate/exercise the hamstrings...and that so many injuries that happen (ACL etc) are a result of too much quad dominance in the legs.
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  • Largent80 wrote:There are tons of ab exercises. Work the lower abs first, then the upper. It should not be done in reverse of this. And if you don't drink alcohol then there is something else that you are doing that is preventing the loss of that last bit of flab.

    Remember, fat cells imbed themselves in areas that have had accumulations in the past and they stay there. So the first place fat goes is to those cells and they glom onto it.



    I've been working abs, but every other day. Maybe its something I should do every day? Though what I've read seems to have a mixed opinion on this.

    Lower abs are a real bitch in particular in terms of flab removal!
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Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:37 am
  • RiggoReincarnated wrote:Any suggestions on how to really tone the midsection? I'm at a size 38 now...started around a 42/44. Want to get to around the 32-34 range.

    It seems like the gut has been the most stubborn area to really cut out fat and tone.


    Lose more body fat. You can have the best built abs in the world but if their is fat covering it, you won't see them. You can't spot reduce fat either, so 1000 crunches a day (which is a dubious exercise at best anyway) won't help the matter. Keep losing weight and keep your diet locked in. The stomach is a problem for most people for a reason, your body is going to fight to keep that fat around.
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    Largent80 wrote:There are tons of ab exercises. Work the lower abs first, then the upper. It should not be done in reverse of this. And if you don't drink alcohol then there is something else that you are doing that is preventing the loss of that last bit of flab.

    Remember, fat cells imbed themselves in areas that have had accumulations in the past and they stay there. So the first place fat goes is to those cells and they glom onto it.



    I've been working abs, but every other day. Maybe its something I should do every day? Though what I've read seems to have a mixed opinion on this.

    Lower abs are a real bitch in particular in terms of flab removal!


    I do abs (not the mod) twice a day. The low ab exercise I do is was given by a PT. It involves doing leg extensions in a scissor type motion while laying on your back. Raise both legs up with your hands face down under you ass, then move one leg out to the side keeping the other straight up, do this with the other side, then bring your feet together and kick out both at the same time. Do sets of 10....They kick my ass every time, and really help my drumming/singing.
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  • AbsolutNET wrote:The stomach is a problem for most people for a reason, your body is going to fight to keep that fat around.


    Tell me about it. I was kicking ass until I got to this last 18-20 lbs.

    I think kicking the sugar to the curb was the right call. Replacing sweets with fiber rich complex carbohydrates makes my body work harder to break the food down and avoid the yo yo effect of eating simple carbs and sugar, has to help I reckon. It was hard as hell for the first 10 days or so but now I don't find myself craving sweets like I did initally. Now it's just a more generalized feeling of being hungry.
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Re: Weight Loss In Spurts?
Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:19 am
  • Want kick ass abs?
    1. Get your diet in check.
    2. Do deadlifts - No whiny BS about old injuries to your knees/back/uvula. Use some form and just do them.

    Want to add kick ass obliques?
    1. Add snatches and/or overhead squats
    2. Add turkish get-ups

    Think you're a badass? Do either/both overhead squats and/or turkish get-ups with a slosh pipe.
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  • I wanted to try turkish get-ups with a slosh pipe, but my wife isn't that adventurous.
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Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:21 am
  • Went to the farmer's market this morning. Spent about $30.00 and had to make several trips to carry everything back to the car. This was one of about half dozen different fruit and veggie stands stands competing for business at the market.

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    Bannanas - $1/5

    Not a lot of reason to be buying produce at the grocery store with this at my fingertips. What was I thinking?!? Putting more of this in my diet should get me closer to fixing my one ab slab problem.
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  • twice, both upper body days.

    I put between 150-180 miles a week on my road bike and I surf whenever the waves are good so my back/shoulders and legs/hips get plenty of work outside of the gym.
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Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:22 am
  • Four days a week. I follow Wendler's 5/3/1 program. One main compound lift a day for strength (3 working sets), then cut the weight to 50-70% of your max and do 5x10. Follow up with an assistance lift or two. Works like a champ, I highly recommend it.
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Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:41 am
  • sadhappy wrote:twice, both upper body days.

    I put between 150-180 miles a week on my road bike and I surf whenever the waves are good so my back/shoulders and legs/hips get plenty of work outside of the gym.


    I've been doing shoulders/chest/back, biceps/triceps, and legs all on separate days then doing that cycle twice each week for a total of 6 workouts.

    I'm thinking of doing something similar...my quads are getting enough work through the running and biking I'm doing. Only leg lifts I feel like I may need to add are hamstrings. Maybe I can just do all of my lifting the same day, but have rest days and only hit the gym 2-3 times rather than 6.

    The weather is getting nicer as well, so I don't necessarily feel that I'll have to do all my cardio at the gym, even though I'm trying to burn 1000 calories a day above my BMR 5 days a week.
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Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:00 pm
  • My quads are ridiculous from the bike, out of proportion to the rest of my body. Hams and calves looking good too. I have big shoulders traps and upper back from paddling.

    My upper body workout is pecs, abs, tri, and bi. 3x15, goal is to hit failure at the end of the last set, if I just moved up in wight not gonna hit 15 last set, maybe 12. If
    I can push out 20 it's time to add 5 more lbs next workout. I used to use a system for sets and reps I got out of a book. I had a next door neighbor who was a D1 scholarship baller and still looked thick years after school, they call it what 'yoked' now? Anyway when I asked him what he did, he said 3x15 to failure. Simplicity makes for consistency which is the most important thing. Being consistent, not missing workouts, not missing meals, the less thinking and decisions you have to make easier it is.

    my objective is 1kcal of exercise above bmr 6 days a week until I hit the body composition I want so it sounds like we are on a similar track.
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  • RiggoReincarnated wrote:How many days a week do you all lift?


    Powerlift training - 3 days.
    HIIT/Tabata/Some form of Interval Training - 3 days
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