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Well sure, Roland. Every generation has their new music equipment. Mine had the electric guitar. This generation has Auto-tune.


Come on, that's like me saying your generation had the cow bell. Auto-tune is something worthy of actually ranting about in this thread. ;)

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I disagree there is still alot of really relevant music now days but its just gone underground, there is just 10X more crap which makes the good stuff harder to find.

When was the last time you heard an album that was solid from start to finish? Most are a hit single and a bunch of filler. The album format is dying, take a look at a kids ipod these days and its 2 songs by this band, 1 of this band and 4 of another.

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You speak true Roland. It led to a lot of experimental music, some worked(Pink Floyd's catalog) some didn't(every King Crimson album after the first one).

There is some decent music out there, but few bands that I get into have my attention for one or more album. It's like they stumble onto their good songs and don't know the why of how they are good.

The Mars Volta made one of the greatest debut albums I ever heard, blending creativity and melody perfectly. Then went off the deep end of experimentation and kind of lost me.

However, Wolfmother is a current band that blends old school influences with their own unique sound. You listen to them, you hear Sabbath, you hear Metallica and you hear Zeppelin, and I dig that.

I think its funny all the complaining about autotune as we gleefully indulge in the other aspects of the digital age. We all love HDTV and live by our Smartphones. We love being able to download music, and digital recording over analog has led to some interesting innovations. But dammit, autotune, that's where the line is crossed, not a couple at dinner that sit texting each other rather than talking.


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Agree completely with the OP. Pretty much late 50's to early 90's for me with few exceptions.


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Your grandparents said the same thing about those silly groups like The Beatles and The Rolling Stones. Carry on.



Well my grandparents were right most of the time...

But seriously, that is a valid point and one I've thought about a lot... However unlike my grandparents I don't hate all music from today. Like others have pointed out, it's just been more of a pain to find the really good and creative stuff. I listen to rap, techno, electronic rock, etc. but certainly nothing that's on our weekly top 40 or that plays on any radio station. My grandparents wouldn't be caught dead listening to any form of rock n roll or pop music (strictly swing, classical, and jazz, all of which I also listen to).

BTW I'm 28, so as much as I got a nice laugh out of everyone's "old man" comments, that simply isn't the case :)

Another thing I've been wondering is why we rarely see instrumental hit songs anymore.

http://tunecaster.com/charts/music/inst ... op-10.html

From 1959 - 1966 (8 years) we had 84 instrumental songs crack the top 20.
From 1973 - Present (40 years), we've had 43 instrumental songs crack the top 20...with the most recent being in 1999

Why is it that people don't like instrumentals anymore?


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(I am guessing here) The general public has a short attention span and have no a imagination to let the music take you on a journey without lyrics to paint the picture for you. Also many think instrumentals in rock are just a guitar player wanking off.

**edit** I am probably in the minority here, but I don't really pay much attention at all to lyrics

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The Billboard Top Song of 1969 was Sugar, Sugar by the Archies.

Pop music tends to always suck, but its always popular. There's good artists out there now that don't get major airplay.


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They just don't make good bands like Murray Head anymore.

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There's plenty of good music today. However most everyone just has horrible taste.


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Why is it that people don't like instrumentals anymore?


Some people still do, Pelican is one of my favorite bands. But then again I have exceptional taste in music. :D

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Joe Satriani "wanks off" pretty good instrumentals.

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Your grandparents said the same thing about those silly groups like The Beatles and The Rolling Stones. Carry on.



Well my grandparents were right most of the time...

But seriously, that is a valid point and one I've thought about a lot... However unlike my grandparents I don't hate all music from today. Like others have pointed out, it's just been more of a pain to find the really good and creative stuff. I listen to rap, techno, electronic rock, etc. but certainly nothing that's on our weekly top 40 or that plays on any radio station. My grandparents wouldn't be caught dead listening to any form of rock n roll or pop music (strictly swing, classical, and jazz, all of which I also listen to).

BTW I'm 28, so as much as I got a nice laugh out of everyone's "old man" comments, that simply isn't the case :)

Another thing I've been wondering is why we rarely see instrumental hit songs anymore.

http://tunecaster.com/charts/music/inst ... op-10.html

From 1959 - 1966 (8 years) we had 84 instrumental songs crack the top 20.
From 1973 - Present (40 years), we've had 43 instrumental songs crack the top 20...with the most recent being in 1999

Why is it that people don't like instrumentals anymore?


Can't just be technology at all can it?

BTW, anything on the radio is straight up corny whether it be Hip hop, Rock, Country, Pop, you name it, I don't think they even play hip hop on Kube 93 anymore aside from that 2 hour block on Sunday nights do they?

And before anyone says anything about my love for hip hop and my technology comment, I do dab a little Tool & Deftones in the mix too, been into that stuff since I was 14 lol.

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The Black Keys are one band that I feel would still have music that could still be played at minimum 20 years from now. Great song writing, guitar, riffs, drums, melodies. Far from pop music but one I know I'll still be listening to for a long time.


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speaking of new music, new old I suppose :D This sounds sooooooo good ! Mark sounds BADA** singing to something a little more aggressive!


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There are far too many good bands out there to say music isn't good today. Radiohead is the best band in the world, and in any generation, that's a good thing. Also, Hip-hop is killing it right now, and if that's not your thing, then that's your fault.


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Easy to see why there are so many different types of music, look at all the different tastes.


I'm very shortly going to be 70 and still like good quality music no matter what genre.

I admit to prefering the Rock of the 60s-70s-80s.

Grew up and went to high school in Chewelah, Wa. that was pretty much the old Buck Owens type of country and never learned to like it much. My friends and I in school played in bands and made music but it was all Rick Nelson, stuff like that. Once got thrown out of a convacation for doing some of his music on stage.

Carl Perkins in those days was really rock a billy and helped make the rock and roll music popular. Then this guy named Elvis came along and the kids went wild. Again that was music the school people refused to let us play publically.

My very favorite kind of music tho is real good harmony, no matter if its country, rock or anything else. Its hard work to sing good harmony from barbershop stuff right up to groups like the Eagles and Fleetwood Mac.

I like a bit of Jazz but prefer the Dixieland version of it to the hard core stuff even while appreciating the talent it takes to play it. Have never learned to like Rap at all cause to me its not music. I know others of you like it and we are going to have to agree to disagree cause to us old people if you don't sing, or play and instrument, you aren't making music. To me Rap represents a lack of talent musically. That's just the way I see it and I'm not bashing any of you for liking it so don't bash me for not.

Regarding instrumentals, in the 60s-70s one of the most popular groups in the world was the Ventures. But you listen to any 60s-70s station and they never play them. Ventures, Duane Eddy, Chet Atkins, and so many more that contributed to our music culture have been thrown along side the road and left tho they were domineering in their day.

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I disagree there is still alot of really relevant music now days but its just gone underground, there is just 10X more crap which makes the good stuff harder to find.

When was the last time you heard an album that was solid from start to finish? Most are a hit single and a bunch of filler. The album format is dying, take a look at a kids ipod these days and its 2 songs by this band, 1 of this band and 4 of another.


Lamb of God - Sacrament
Anthrax - Worship Music
High on Fire - Snakes for the Divine (haven't bought their newest CD yet)

I could go on but you get my point. Their are still numerous albums that are very solid still being made, just most of them are not pop.

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In 2050 there will be songs from 2013 that are considered classics and some of the best songs ever made. We probably won't know which songs those are until the distant future though.

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I was thinking about this subject yesterday. Here are some random thoughts I had on the long drive home from work:

I grew up in the late 70s and 80s and with 10 channels on the TV, no computer, a limited selection of books, etc. I would spend hours listening to the same record albums over and over. Listening to music was my primary focus for many hours of the week--put a stack of well worn LPs on the Hi Fi, grab the album covers (hopefully gatefold!) and just immerse yourself in the artist(s) and the music.

I explained to my children that no one listens to music like that anymore. Too much other stuff to do. Why focus on one album and learn everything about it when you have 5 million songs at the click of a mouse? Why listen to music as an activity when you can do 1 million other things on the internet?

Popular music today is not for thought, it's not about reflection, or rebellion, or an important social message like it used to be. It's about noise in the background that makes you wiggle your ass as you drive, or chat with your girlfriends. Teenage girls have always been a major influence on popular music, but now it seems they are the only one.

I've also thought about the death of rock music. Guitar driven music had 50 years in the sun. Generation X was the last generation where rock music was the driving sound. Rap came along as a new sound that for the first time since the 1950s was not dominated by the Baby Boomer generation. At the time I thought (hoped?) it would be a hiccup on the music scene like disco was. Looking back that was ridiculous--rap and electronic music was the future and stacks of amps, long hair and catchy melodic guitar riffs were the long distant past. Tough for rock to be the music of a new generation when it's been the music of three generations prior!

There are a few other threads in here about rap--even rap fans are lamenting the loss of the "classic" period in rap music, like those of us who loved rock music have been doing for 15 years. What changed? I blame the internet, for the reasons listed above.

Finally, where is the rebellion from the young people in general? Every generation before you had segments of youth who cried out against the status quo, and those segments created the new sounds of music. This generation seems very content with life. IMO technology has pacified them--all of us--too much. And the music has suffered as a result.

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Great post, Trench.

As to the part about rebellion, it's still out there (Google Tyler, The Creator or V Nasty, you'll see what rebellion looks like now). I think what has happened though is that so much that used to be considered rebellion has become accepted and commonplace. It's harder to rebel than it used to be.

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I think that a lot of today's rebellion is peope who remember what actual liberty is like rebelling against today's accepted status quo. But the next generation calls it Old Farts Against Progress. Like when old curmudgeons REALLY HATE government cameras everywhere, spying on everyone, and today's kids go "Whatever, old dude. They're keeping me safe"...


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this dude is older then dirt yet he is "rebelling against something" you just have to have the guts to do it instead of worrying about how many records you are going to sell.


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Listening to "I don't have to sing the blues" by Grand Funk, one of the most underrated bands of all time. If anyone of you ever get a chance to check out their "Grand Funk" and "Closer to Home" albums, you should. The songs are way better than We're an American Band and their covers of Locomotion and Some Kind of Wonderful. And listen to the Japanese mixes of these older albums if you can...they are spectacular.


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There are far too many good bands out there to say music isn't good today. Radiohead is the best band in the world, and in any generation, that's a good thing. Also, Hip-hop is killing it right now, and if that's not your thing, then that's your fault.

The only thing hip-hop is killing right now are my eardrums. 2 chainz? Drake? Nicki Minaj? Future? Chief Keef? French Montana?

At least the mainstream that is...I bump Kendrick, Ab Soul, pretty much the whole black hippy crew. Iamsu and the HBK gang. J. Cole, Emilio Rojas, Joey Badass. Etc.


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You shouldn't even have the radio on unless you're a 15 year old girl, bro.


Unless it's KPLU. Actually, my dude Larry has a pretty good show on Sunday nights on KEXP. Used to be Rap Attack on KCMU. I dunno what it's called now but you should be listening to it.

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You shouldn't even have the radio on unless you're a 15 year old girl, bro.


Unless it's KPLU. Actually, my dude Larry has a pretty good show on Sunday nights on KEXP. Used to be Rap Attack on KCMU. I dunno what it's called now but you should be listening to it.


Sunday Nights is also the Sound Session on KUBE, 2 hour block of underground & local stuff, haven't tuned in in years though.

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Part of the problem is the FCC relaxing all the rules on radio ownership. Radio is so homogenized today because there are just a few companies that own the vast majority of stations. And those stations set what is in the top 40.

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Generation X was spoiled with bands like Sublime, Nirvana, NOFX, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and Metallica. It's just to damn hard to compete with music like that, so Generation Y got into text messaging and facebook. Next major music scene should hopefully begin in 2020. So, we have a little time left to tease the kiddies about Justin Bieber.


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Green Day has been going strong for 2 decades +... I'd say they are in the timeless group... Sublime, although their time was short, will live on... Some Metal groups like Avenged Sevenfold will last...

It's hard to say if Lady Gaga is a Madonna, or a Cindy Lauper, but you can't say she doesn't rock the charts...

In this day and age, it's too easy to distribute music, so every band has a chance to shine... Back in the day, if you were good enough to release an album, chances were some record company was going to ram you down the consumer's throat. It's all in availability. Now, you can choose from thousands and thousands of bands, styles, genres, and find a never ending list to fill your playlist. Thank technology.


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IMO, good music is a lot harder to find these days but it is out there. As mentioned above, Queens of the Stone Age are a good example (and Nickleback are not LOL). The difference between the 60s and 70s and to a lesser extent, the 80s and 90s and nowdays is the sheer volume of great music then vs. now. The 60s and 70s were swimming in killer shit that people will listen to many decades from now and I don't see that mass of great stuff anymore. I don't know, maybe it was a function of the baby boom and the sheer amount of people in my generation meaning a higher probability of large quantities of great stuff.

The other problem to me is that it's all pretty much been done now. For example, the first time I saw Marilyn Manson back in the 90s I was like "Yawn, Alice Cooper. Been there, saw that".

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Tool is about the only band relevant in this generation that has released music which I feel will endure the test of time. Can't think of anyone else, though.

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Thats true, a lot of the music that comes out these days is like fast food, cool for the moment but nothing that sticks to you where you feel fufilled.

And its not just in Hip hop, its in almost every genre it feels like to me.

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Tool is about the only band relevant in this generation that has released music which I feel will endure the test of time. Can't think of anyone else, though.

Good call on Tool. Really great band.

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To me, the same complaint holds true for black artists too. I admittedly have somewhat novice ears when it comes to Hip Hop but to me it simply does not compare to Motown, "Philly Soul" (Spinners, Stylistics, Dramatics et.al.), Stevie, James Brown, Curtyis Mayfield, War, etc.







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Some Metal groups like Avenged Sevenfold will last...


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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What other metal bands do you think will last? Fiver Finger Death Punch? Creed? Nickelback?

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Groups like the White Stripes, Black Keys, Jet, the Strokes etc. were the voices of rock n roll for gen Y. They will live on.


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As I have said before there is so much incredible music being made today, but the radio is not the place to find it. it does not matter what genre it is you like its there, its just not as easy to find. Find musicans you trust then find out what they are listening to and the circle starts to get larger, maybe they run a label, find out what new stuff they are releasing otherwise you are stuck in the vortex of shizzle we call todays top 100.

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As I have said before there is so much incredible music being made today, but the radio is not the place to find it. it does not matter what genre it is you like its there, its just not as easy to find. Find musicans you trust then find out what they are listening to and the circle starts to get larger, maybe they run a label, find out what new stuff they are releasing otherwise you are stuck in the vortex of shizzle we call todays top 100.


I occasionally get on the interwebz and just start searching, one band leads to the next, to the next, blog posts about this band, or that band, the great thing is its all on Youtube or Myspace, or parts of the song on iTunes. It's all out there to sample. Which is amazing.

Sometimes I find nothing, sometimes I find a new band(new to me), those are great times!! Love finding new stuff.

But I agree with mongo, takes time and some searching.

I have to admit, I haven't found any metal in a long long time I like. Some rock, or 'alternative' sure, but metal is hard to find imho. Maybe we need a Metal thread in here, to share some good new metal. Been awhile.

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yep that is the difference, you dont have to drop 10-20 bucks on something at the record store (i am dating myself) on something that "may" be good because you heard something good from Kerry King or whomever it is, all you have to do is pull up you tube or spotify or whatever it is and check it out.....if that is too much work for you then you should die a lonely death listening to your local radio station.

You have to understand there is no money in making music unless you are jay z, lady gaga or metallica (even they are losing their shorts on the Orion tour) the major labels are losing money hand over fist and I think that is GREAT, labels work closely with local radio in every town getting their artists "heard" but that gravy train is dying fast, maybe things will turn around but like everything else in the country I have my doubts.

We should start a METAL thread !

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Mainstream music is pretty much 99% controlled by record labels. It's not that there is no great/good music today, it's just not getting promoted. At the end of the day it's all about business. If consumer keeps buying certain records then why not sell them more of it.

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Dubstep anyone?

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Dubstep anyone?


Translation: anyone here 13?

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Dubstep anyone?


Translation: anyone here 13?

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LOL I'm 26 and and fed up with most of the music out today. I've just started listening to it but so far it's hit and miss for me. I grew up with my parents listening to ACDC, Metallica, Great White, ZZ, Guns N Roses, Poison, Motley Crue, Def Leppard and the list goes on. I love all of those bands, but sometimes ya just try new stuff just because ya can. The radio is pretty much lame nowadays. I use mine to listen to KUPD's Morning Sickness, an awesome group of guys here in Phoenix and that's about it.

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word, i grew up with my mom listening to country, and my dad into heavy rock n all that stuff, no idea how i got into hip hop.

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Fuck music, it's all incoherent noise and rubble rabble anyway!

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Music is cyclical. The OP named three bands. How quickly we forget the large amount of terrible music that existed in the 60's and 70's as well. There are a handful of current artists making unbelievable music right now, just as there was then, while most are making crap.

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