Disney Fired James Gunn. Edit - he has been reinstated.

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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:09 am
  • Just to get this back on point...https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-cast-of-guardians-of-the-galaxy-release-an-open-let-1827971877

    also, not sure how what other people get away with somehow admonishes another. The correct perspective would be holding those others more accountable, not other's less.

    Either way, sounds like the cast are in support of his return.

    I wavered on this initially. But I think he's getting a raw deal.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:22 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:Just to get this back on point...https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-cast-of-guardians-of-the-galaxy-release-an-open-let-1827971877

    also, not sure how what other people get away with somehow admonishes another. The correct perspective would be holding those others more accountable, not other's less.

    Either way, sounds like the cast are in support of his return.

    I wavered on this initially. But I think he's getting a raw deal.


    I'm all for holding people accountable for their actions, but maybe giving them a pass for comments or behavior that is out of the ordinary for their character.

    Gunn IMO falls into the 2nd category for me. Like I said above, I'd rather live in a world where we can see that Gunn is a good person, and made some really stupid comments about an unfunny topic, and give him the benefit of the doubt as that not being indicative of who he is as a person now.

    Gunn has been nothing but a model citizen and has enriched a lot of our lives through his writing and movies now. So why are we going insane over something he said 7-8 years ago?

    I've said a lot of stupid things, hell I still say stupid things. But I'd hate for those things to haunt me for the rest of my life and pigeon hole me as a pariah and bad person when all my actions clearly show that I'm a good person.

    I just don't like the social justice butthurt GOTCHA burn everyone at the stake world we live in. That's not a good way for us to live as a society.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:40 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:Just to get this back on point...https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-cast-of-guardians-of-the-galaxy-release-an-open-let-1827971877

    also, not sure how what other people get away with somehow admonishes another. The correct perspective would be holding those others more accountable, not other's less.

    Either way, sounds like the cast are in support of his return.

    I wavered on this initially. But I think he's getting a raw deal.


    I'm all for holding people accountable for their actions, but maybe giving them a pass for comments or behavior that is out of the ordinary for their character.

    Gunn IMO falls into the 2nd category for me. Like I said above, I'd rather live in a world where we can see that Gunn is a good person, and made some really stupid comments about an unfunny topic, and give him the benefit of the doubt as that not being indicative of who he is as a person now.

    Gunn has been nothing but a model citizen and has enriched a lot of our lives through his writing and movies now. So why are we going insane over something he said 7-8 years ago?

    I've said a lot of stupid things, hell I still say stupid things. But I'd hate for those things to haunt me for the rest of my life and pigeon hole me as a pariah and bad person when all my actions clearly show that I'm a good person.

    I just don't like the social justice butthurt GOTCHA burn everyone at the stake world we live in. That's not a good way for us to live as a society.


    My comments were not about Gunn. It was about posters above using other famous people's transgressions as a means of defending Gunn.

    His comments were absurd and I can see why Disney would be put off. But, my "pass" for Gunn on this is that he has owned it.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:15 am
  • Let's not forget the fact that like 99% of all people have said crap like this (or things considered 'as bad' in other ways not related to kids/pedo) on the playground at school when they were kids; which makes virtually everyone that agrees with his firing a hypocrite, unless they're going to actually agree with the equivalent punishment for them which would be having gotten expelled from school over it.

    Yes, James Gunn was an adult when he said that stuff, but this whole thing is so blown out of proportion it's ridiculous.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:33 am
  • RolandDeschain wrote:Let's not forget the fact that like 99% of all people have said crap like this (or things considered 'as bad' in other ways not related to kids/pedo) on the playground at school when they were kids; which makes virtually everyone that agrees with his firing a hypocrite, unless they're going to actually agree with the equivalent punishment for them which would be having gotten expelled from school over it.

    Yes, James Gunn was an adult when he said that stuff, but this whole thing is so blown out of proportion it's ridiculous.


    Sorry Roland, this is garbage. In what world does being someone in a high-value, high-visibility job where you're expected to maintain and present yourself in a professional manner the same as being kids on a playground?

    The straw-man arguments in this thread comparing Gunn, or any other Marvel/Disney director, or any other job like being the CEO of a large company to 1) kids on a playground 2) longshoremen 3) teenagers 4) general laborers are laughable at best. You guys aren't even using some of these comparisons in the proper context.

    When 206 says (and I'm paraphrasing) "I've worked with laborers and longshoremen for years and not even they have the gall to say those things," it's not saying they should be held to the same standard. It's admitting there's a different standard and even when these guys aren't in the lime light and have far less to lose, they'd rather not joke about these things. On the grand scale, no one gives a rip what a shipyard worker is going to say on a random Tuesday when he's joking with coworkers.

    If you're going to compare him to someone, compare him to someone like Rosanne Barr or someone who's public profiles and personas actually matter and have been affected by this type of blowback, not this "hurr durr I work in IT and I said way worse back in 1992, is that going to get me fired?"

    I know you're smarter than this, Roland.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:45 am
  • JGfromtheNW wrote:I know you're smarter than this, Roland.

    For that matter, I know you are as well.

    Dude, at the end of the day, this all comes back to one thing - either you think anything can be joked about, or nothing can be joked about. There is no in between, because once you start saying well certain things can be joked about and certain things can't be, then everyone has a different opinion about what's alright to joke about and what's not, and that's why with EACH PASSING YEAR the list of things it's alright to joke about gets smaller, and I disagree with that political BS vehemently. Don't confuse this with the context of WHEN and WHERE it's alright to crack a blue joke, because that's a thing; but this is freaking Twitter, not someone making dead baby jokes while standing in an abortion clinic lobby or on the pulpit of a Christian church in the deep south on a Sunday morning.

    He's a freaking movie director. Let's all pretend those Tweets which existed a decade ago hop in a DeLorean and ruin Guardians of the Galaxy 1 & 2.

    Now none of us enjoy them because of those Tweets - damn, I'm glad James Gunn got his comeuppance, because it obviously makes A DAMN BIT OF DIFFERENCE FOR WHAT HE DOES FOR HIS JOB!
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:46 am
  • JGfromtheNW wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:Let's not forget the fact that like 99% of all people have said crap like this (or things considered 'as bad' in other ways not related to kids/pedo) on the playground at school when they were kids; which makes virtually everyone that agrees with his firing a hypocrite, unless they're going to actually agree with the equivalent punishment for them which would be having gotten expelled from school over it.

    Yes, James Gunn was an adult when he said that stuff, but this whole thing is so blown out of proportion it's ridiculous.


    Sorry Roland, this is garbage. In what world does being someone in a high-value, high-visibility job where you're expected to maintain and present yourself in a professional manner the same as being kids on a playground?

    The straw-man arguments in this thread comparing Gunn, or any other Marvel/Disney director, or any other job like being the CEO of a large company to 1) kids on a playground 2) longshoremen 3) teenagers 4) general laborers are laughable at best. You guys aren't even using some of these comparisons in the proper context.

    When 206 says (and I'm paraphrasing) "I've worked with laborers and longshoremen for years and not even they have the gall to say those things," it's not saying they should be held to the same standard. It's admitting there's a different standard and even when these guys aren't in the lime light and have far less to lose, they'd rather not joke about these things. On the grand scale, no one gives a rip what a shipyard worker is going to say on a random Tuesday when he's joking with coworkers.

    If you're going to compare him to someone, compare him to someone like Rosanne Barr or someone who's public profiles and personas actually matter and have been affected by this type of blowback, not this "hurr durr I work in IT and I said way worse back in 1992, is that going to get me fired?"

    I know you're smarter than this, Roland.


    It is the same as Rosanne Barr..............the difference is Barr did it WHILE being employed by ABC. Gunn said it while he was an unemployed video game writer 8 years ago.

    This is pure unadulterated brand fear mongering. Disney thinks they have an image to protect, and maybe they do. But again, I'd rather see both ABC and Disney come out in defense of their writers and stars, as opposed to being cowards and running for the hills because they think their precious "brand" is being harmed.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:52 am
  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    JGfromtheNW wrote:I know you're smarter than this, Roland.

    For that matter, I know you are as well.

    Dude, at the end of the day, this all comes back to one thing - either you think anything can be joked about, or nothing can be joked about. There is no in between, because once you start saying well certain things can be joked about and certain things can't be, then everyone has a different opinion about what's alright to joke about and what's not, and that's why with EACH PASSING YEAR the list of things it's alright to joke about gets smaller, and I disagree with that political BS vehemently.

    He's a freaking movie director. Let's all pretend those Tweets which existed a decade ago hop in a DeLorean and ruin Guardians of the Galaxy 1 & 2.

    Now none of us enjoy them because of those Tweets - damn, I'm glad James Gunn got his comeuppance, because it obviously makes A DAMN BIT OF DIFFERENCE FOR WHAT HE DOES FOR HIS JOB!


    I understand what you're saying here. I'm unfortunately in the camp that thinks Disney did the right thing if they feel it could hurt their business. At the end of the day, they're there to be a business and make money, not to be a bastion of free speech and comedy.

    I don't believe for a second that we're at a place where "anything can be joked about, or nothing can be joked about." That's just some zero-tolerance, zero-effort ideology coming into play. Go watch Chappelle's most recent stand-up specials, watch guys like Bill Burr who can toe-the-line and tell jokes about stuff that is, for most people, completely off-limits to joke about in public or in most social settings.

    Comedy, humor, joking is something that depends on the context/situation/environment. That's why James Gunn, who is not a comedian, is under fire for "joking" about stuff that his employer finds inappropriate and no longer has a job. Not some SJW target practice that he got caught up in.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:53 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    JGfromtheNW wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:Let's not forget the fact that like 99% of all people have said crap like this (or things considered 'as bad' in other ways not related to kids/pedo) on the playground at school when they were kids; which makes virtually everyone that agrees with his firing a hypocrite, unless they're going to actually agree with the equivalent punishment for them which would be having gotten expelled from school over it.

    Yes, James Gunn was an adult when he said that stuff, but this whole thing is so blown out of proportion it's ridiculous.


    Sorry Roland, this is garbage. In what world does being someone in a high-value, high-visibility job where you're expected to maintain and present yourself in a professional manner the same as being kids on a playground?

    The straw-man arguments in this thread comparing Gunn, or any other Marvel/Disney director, or any other job like being the CEO of a large company to 1) kids on a playground 2) longshoremen 3) teenagers 4) general laborers are laughable at best. You guys aren't even using some of these comparisons in the proper context.

    When 206 says (and I'm paraphrasing) "I've worked with laborers and longshoremen for years and not even they have the gall to say those things," it's not saying they should be held to the same standard. It's admitting there's a different standard and even when these guys aren't in the lime light and have far less to lose, they'd rather not joke about these things. On the grand scale, no one gives a rip what a shipyard worker is going to say on a random Tuesday when he's joking with coworkers.

    If you're going to compare him to someone, compare him to someone like Rosanne Barr or someone who's public profiles and personas actually matter and have been affected by this type of blowback, not this "hurr durr I work in IT and I said way worse back in 1992, is that going to get me fired?"

    I know you're smarter than this, Roland.


    It is the same as Rosanne Barr..............the difference is Barr did it WHILE being employed by ABC. Gunn said it while he was an unemployed video game writer 8 years ago.

    This is pure unadulterated brand fear mongering. Disney thinks they have an image to protect, and maybe they do. But again, I'd rather see both ABC and Disney come out in defense of their writers and stars, as opposed to being cowards and running for the hills because they think their precious "brand" is being harmed.


    There we go. A comparison and explanation that actually makes sense.

    I agree with you.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:55 am
  • I already addressed that with my edited post, which isn't in your quote.

    Context of when/where you tell a tasteless joke absolutely does matter, as I said - and the fact that it was on FREAKING TWITTER, an immoral, amoral, and juvenile playground - should not be justification for firing a film director.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:59 am
  • RolandDeschain wrote:I already addressed that with my edited post, which isn't in your quote.

    Context of when/where you tell a tasteless joke absolutely does matter, as I said - and the fact that it was on FREAKING TWITTER, an immoral, amoral, and juvenile playground - should not be justification for firing a film director.


    Unfortunately, Twitter has moved on (for businesses, public personas, etc.) from being just a juvenile playground, to a means or platform of official communication.

    Do I agree with it? No. Is it reality? Yes.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:22 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:Let's not forget the fact that like 99% of all people have said crap like this (or things considered 'as bad' in other ways not related to kids/pedo) on the playground at school when they were kids; which makes virtually everyone that agrees with his firing a hypocrite, unless they're going to actually agree with the equivalent punishment for them which would be having gotten expelled from school over it.

    Yes, James Gunn was an adult when he said that stuff, but this whole thing is so blown out of proportion it's ridiculous.



    Probably.

    But it doesn't excuse it. Using the "everyone does it" rationale does your argument no good.

    Gunn atleast owned it instead of taking the line of defense you are, to his credit.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:04 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    Gunn atleast owned it instead of taking the line of defense you are, to his credit.


    Unlike Barr who did the fake backhanded apology to Jarrett.............."I'm sorry if YOU thought what I said was racist."

    It's the most insulting weaksauce apology there is.

    But you're right, it's really the act of just being honest, contrite and genuine that the public wants to hear from things like this. Or in sports when athletes get caught doing steroids or whatever. Just be contrite and most people will feel that and forgive you.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:37 pm
  • I mean Roland and you are both right.. the moral outrage of these things is typically immediate, ignorant and hypocritical. Some people try to ignore ur knowing it will typically be forgotten tomsome other “scandal.” Gunn tried to address it.

    Will see if it makes a difference.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:47 pm
  • I'm really just annoyed that so many people think it's right that he was fired over it when virtually all of them have done as bad or worse and suffered lesser, if any, consequences.

    Hypocrisy is ever the most reliable of human traits...
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:02 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:I'm really just annoyed that so many people think it's right that he was fired over it when virtually all of them have done as bad or worse and suffered lesser, if any, consequences.

    Hypocrisy is ever the most reliable of human traits...


    Again, I agree he shouldn't have been fired, but you know precisely jack squat whether anyone on here has done worse or suffered less. You're being just as judgemental as the people who condemned Gunn, but with even less of a leg to stand on.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:18 pm
  • Maulbert wrote:Again, I agree he shouldn't have been fired, but you know precisely jack squat whether anyone on here has done worse or suffered less. You're being just as judgemental as the people who condemned Gunn, but with even less of a leg to stand on.

    Ah, yes; let's just assume the best of everyone and assume no one has ever said a bad word without six forms of proof.

    Ok, junior.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:23 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    Maulbert wrote:Again, I agree he shouldn't have been fired, but you know precisely jack squat whether anyone on here has done worse or suffered less. You're being just as judgemental as the people who condemned Gunn, but with even less of a leg to stand on.

    Ah, yes; let's just assume the best of everyone and assume no one has ever said a bad word without six forms of proof.

    Ok, junior.


    I didn't say I assumed the best. I didn't assume at all.

    By all means though, keep acting superior. It doesn't make people irrationally hate you at all.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:25 pm
  • I'd far rather receive irrational hate than have people assume I'm ignorant enough to believe that most people haven't said something as bad or worse than what James Gunn said at some point in their lives.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:31 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:I'd far rather receive irrational hate than have people assume I'm ignorant enough to believe that most people haven't said something as bad or worse than what James Gunn said at some point in their lives.


    Like I didn't know you think I'm ignorant. I'm quite aware of your inferiority complex. I've never seen someone work so hard to prove they're smarter than everyone else on the internet, and that's saying something.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:57 pm
  • This has little to do with intelligence, and everything to do with one's willingness to admit reality.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:08 pm
  • RolandDeschain wrote:This has little to do with intelligence, and everything to do with one's willingness to admit reality.


    I didn't assume anything, but as Zeb has stated, the mighty Roland Deschain understands what I mean more than I do. I'm done with this argument, but by all means, assume you won and be sure to mark your chalkboard counting the number of internet victories you've won.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:17 pm
  • Ok, bruh.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:23 pm
  • Gunn was unemployed at the time, he was not working for Disney, it was a long time ago, lets dig up the history of the Disney Executives, in fact lets go back and look at some of the Movies and Cartoons they have made. Song of the South anyone. They should be boycotted for being a racist company if they are adhering to their own moral values.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:30 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Gunn was unemployed at the time, he was not working for Disney, it was a long time ago, lets dig up the history of the Disney Executives, in fact lets go back and look at some of the Movies and Cartoons they have made. Song of the South anyone. They should be boycotted for being a racist company if they are adhering to their own moral values.

    Not to mention all the bad things they've done regarding copyright law to keep Mickey Mouse payin' out.

    We'd have to fire every C-suite exec in the country if we held them to the same standards that James Gunn was just held to, lol.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:46 pm
  • It's possible (not saying it's probable) that they were looking for a reason to drop him and this just made it easy.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:23 pm
  • Zebulon Dak wrote:It's possible (not saying it's probable) that they were looking for a reason to drop him and this just made it easy.

    That would at least be honest, but since the cast and crew seem to like him and the first two were extremely successful, it's hard to imagine that being the case.

    Obviously possible as you said, though. Hrm...
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:24 am
  • Zebulon Dak wrote:


    Nailed it.

    This isn't even about the sin, it's about the moral outrage pitchfork let's get them social justice warrior sickness that's taken over our society.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:09 am
  • RolandDeschain wrote:I'd far rather receive irrational hate than have people assume I'm ignorant enough to believe that most people haven't said something as bad or worse than what James Gunn said at some point in their lives.



    you think the majority of us have made pedophelia and rape jokes?

    jesus... you have a low bar.

    Also, there is a significant difference between conversations with friends and posting something on the internet for public consumption and opinion.

    Disney didnt go and find the tweets, a conservative newsite did (and more than likely as a way of getting back at Gunn for his political views in the last election)
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:31 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    Disney didnt go and find the tweets, a conservative newsite did (and more than likely as a way of getting back at Gunn for his political views in the last election)


    Right, it's not even about the tweets, it's about this idiotic, fake morality war we're now in...........and it's not good for society, we're not evolving, we're devolving.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:40 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:I'd far rather receive irrational hate than have people assume I'm ignorant enough to believe that most people haven't said something as bad or worse than what James Gunn said at some point in their lives.



    you think the majority of us have made pedophelia and rape jokes?

    jesus... you have a low bar.

    Has nothing to do with how low my bar might be. Go walk around a grade school playground or eavesdrop on groups of friends in junior high then try to sell me this BS about how few people have made tasteless jokes, lol.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:03 am
  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:I'd far rather receive irrational hate than have people assume I'm ignorant enough to believe that most people haven't said something as bad or worse than what James Gunn said at some point in their lives.



    you think the majority of us have made pedophelia and rape jokes?

    jesus... you have a low bar.

    Has nothing to do with how low my bar might be. Go walk around a grade school playground or eavesdrop on groups of friends in junior high then try to sell me this BS about how few people have made tasteless jokes, lol.



    so... these comments on a elementary school playground or at junior high huddle are treated in your perception the same as a grown man putting them on Twitter or Facebook or Instagram for public consumption? Or that "tasteless jokes" are the same as (again) a grown man making rape and pedophelia jokes (again... on Social media).

    that's pretty naive and narrow minded in my opinion.

    If you want to point out the hypocrisy of the human character you're on about it the wrong way.. and honestly it's not that difficult to do.

    (lol... for continuity)
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:56 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:so... these comments on a elementary school playground or at junior high huddle are treated in your perception the same as a grown man putting them on Twitter or Facebook or Instagram for public consumption? Or that "tasteless jokes" are the same as (again) a grown man making rape and pedophelia jokes (again... on Social media).

    that's pretty naive and narrow minded in my opinion.

    If you want to point out the hypocrisy of the human character you're on about it the wrong way.. and honestly it's not that difficult to do.

    (lol... for continuity)

    The same? No. However - separated by the Pacific freaking Ocean? Also an absolute no.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:14 pm
  • So then it's ok if we have a Camel Toe judging contest again I guess since that bar is higher. :P
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:34 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:So then it's ok if we have a Camel Toe judging contest again I guess since that bar is higher. :P


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    I'd give this one about a 7 out of 10. Seems a little sandy, but otherwise not bad.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:53 pm
  • Chapow wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:So then it's ok if we have a Camel Toe judging contest again I guess since that bar is higher. :P


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    I'd give this one about a 7 out of 10. Seems a little sandy, but otherwise not bad.



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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:01 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:I'd far rather receive irrational hate than have people assume I'm ignorant enough to believe that most people haven't said something as bad or worse than what James Gunn said at some point in their lives.



    you think the majority of us have made pedophelia and rape jokes?

    jesus... you have a low bar.

    Has nothing to do with how low my bar might be. Go walk around a grade school playground or eavesdrop on groups of friends in junior high then try to sell me this BS about how few people have made tasteless jokes, lol.



    so... these comments on a elementary school playground or at junior high huddle are treated in your perception the same as a grown man putting them on Twitter or Facebook or Instagram for public consumption? Or that "tasteless jokes" are the same as (again) a grown man making rape and pedophelia jokes (again... on Social media).

    that's pretty naive and narrow minded in my opinion.

    If you want to point out the hypocrisy of the human character you're on about it the wrong way.. and honestly it's not that difficult to do.

    (lol... for continuity)


    a smaller ocean then? The Indian? Arctic?

    Because kids are kids.

    Grown adults are, well, far more responsible for their behavior. I think you need to find a different strawman.

    I have not made detailed and crass jokes about pedophilia or rape. As an adult, if i came across another adult who did I'd have concerns about their state of mind.

    Gunn has done more for himself in this than you have for him.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:49 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    a smaller ocean then? The Indian? Arctic?

    Because kids are kids.

    Grown adults are, well, far more responsible for their behavior. I think you need to find a different strawman.

    I have not made detailed and crass jokes about pedophilia or rape. As an adult, if i came across another adult who did I'd have concerns about their state of mind.

    Gunn has done more for himself in this than you have for him.

    1) You should look up with a straw man argument actually is.
    2) "Detailed" and crass jokes? How the hell does one get detailed on Twitter; it has a 140-character limit, are you kidding?
    3) Continue living on your pedestal, I'm sure the view is nice.
    4) I still don't believe you about not having made jokes like that. What, you've never made - or agreed with by laughing at - a surprise sex joke by someone your entire adult life, or seen an outrageous price on something and made a crack about how the company's raping people by charging that much? Sorry, don't buy it. Claim it if you want.

    As others have pointed out, Gunn's Tweets were quite a while ago and he was jobless at the time. Let's not let any of this stop us from putting his head on a spike. (OH SNAP, I JUST MADE A JOKE ABOUT MURDER - I DESERVE TO BE FIRED!)
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:13 am
  • RolandDeschain wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    a smaller ocean then? The Indian? Arctic?

    Because kids are kids.

    Grown adults are, well, far more responsible for their behavior. I think you need to find a different strawman.

    I have not made detailed and crass jokes about pedophilia or rape. As an adult, if i came across another adult who did I'd have concerns about their state of mind.

    Gunn has done more for himself in this than you have for him.

    1) You should look up with a straw man argument actually is.
    2) "Detailed" and crass jokes? How the hell does one get detailed on Twitter; it has a 140-character limit, are you kidding?
    3) Continue living on your pedestal, I'm sure the view is nice.
    4) I still don't believe you about not having made jokes like that. What, you've never made - or agreed with by laughing at - a surprise sex joke by someone your entire adult life, or seen an outrageous price on something and made a crack about how the company's raping people by charging that much? Sorry, don't buy it. Claim it if you want.

    As others have pointed out, Gunn's Tweets were quite a while ago and he was jobless at the time. Let's not let any of this stop us from putting his head on a spike. (OH SNAP, I JUST MADE A JOKE ABOUT MURDER - I DESERVE TO BE FIRED!)


    The tweets are explicit. Are you kidding, or just purposefully dense? Gunn himself says they were meant to be provocative, outrageous and taboo (his words). As I said.. I gave him a pass based on his apology and the number of people that are coming to his defense. You continue to argue people being upset about his tweets as invalid because.. and it changes so it's difficult to nail down... people in grade school, junior high and now as adults have made explicit rape and pedophilia jokes themselves. Gunn nor his supporters are using such a ridiculous defense... yet here you are.

    Being "raped" by a company on prices is not the same as what was being referenced. Not at all. Which is definition of "strawman": informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. Basically this has been your entire premise in this thread. You'd think you looked it up since you were so quick to suggest you knew what it meant. However, I don't think you know what you mean anymore.

    Enjoy your rape and pedophelia (still waiting for the common, socially acceptable metaphor involving pedaphilia example from you) jokes with your pals. And continue thinking you're in the majority of adults that make those types of jokes. Continue to make other examples that are far different than Gunn's very explicit jokes as some sort of validation it's ok.

    You're the winner here.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:55 pm
  • Want some Candy Little Girl? Heard that a lot. Or when someone says something creepy, must be your night off from driving the white Van and offering ice Cream tonight.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:36 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Want some Candy Little Girl? Heard that a lot. Or when someone says something creepy, must be your night off from driving the white Van and offering ice Cream tonight.


    More false equivalencies.

    These are not nearly the same as the very detailed, graphic and explicit pedophelia comments he publically tweeted that are so vile they can’t be posted.

    Again, I support his reinstatement. But not for “everyone makes jokes like this but not anything like this”
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:05 pm
  • I think you need to stick a couple more tampons up there, Si.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:39 pm
  • Up where??
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:42 pm
  • Zebulon Dak wrote:Up where??

    One of his many bleeding orifices.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:46 pm
  • Well maybe a Big Hunk or a Tootsie Roll is more appropriate for this conversation.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:58 am
  • Elrmentary school, junior high? I remember those jokes too.

    And yet, best you try to emulate the absurdity, you just can’t.

    But it’s fun to watch you try. By all means, keep going
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:37 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    Again, I support his reinstatement. But not for “everyone makes jokes like this but not anything like this”


    You're being too literal.

    It's about being inappropriate, and even crass and disgusting.....................and EVERY dude has been that, and hell most of us still are with our trusted friends.

    You're fixating on the pedophilia part of Gunn's tweets, and we're just making a general statement that and like Jeffries stated in his monologue, Gunn didn't actually commit the act of pedophilia, he just made a very unfunny joke.

    So where do you draw the line Si in order to absolve yourself from being lumped in with Gunn's type of humor, if that's the line you're trying to draw to show us you're not part of this general statement?

    Race? Sexuality? Criminal? Sexism? Cause if I made every one of us take a lie detector test on who's made inappropriate comments or jokes as adults? Every damn one of us would fail if we said no.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:34 am
  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    Again, I support his reinstatement. But not for “everyone makes jokes like this but not anything like this”


    You're being too literal.

    It's about being inappropriate, and even crass and disgusting.....................and EVERY dude has been that, and hell most of us still are with our trusted friends.

    You're fixating on the pedophilia part of Gunn's tweets, and we're just making a general statement that and like Jeffries stated in his monologue, Gunn didn't actually commit the act of pedophilia, he just made a very unfunny joke.

    So where do you draw the line Si in order to absolve yourself from being lumped in with Gunn's type of humor, if that's the line you're trying to draw to show us you're not part of this general statement?

    Race? Sexuality? Criminal? Sexism? Cause if I made every one of us take a lie detector test on who's made inappropriate comments or jokes as adults? Every damn one of us would fail if we said no.


    This has nothing to do with me. My lord. I don't understand, honestly, how the point keeps getting missed. Yeah, i've made gross jokes. Would be naive to think that my sense of humor would not be offensive to people though. Gunns tweets, to be clear, are not offensive to me. Suggesting people shouldnt be "because we all make jokes like that" is a flimsy, assumptive premise. I do like how trying to point that out leads to misogynist jokes at me though. True to form.

    And again, I would challenge the notion that every guy says they'd like to stick their fist up a boys backside (referring to that boy as something vulgar as well) after watching a movie. Some (alot) of his tweets (he deleted 10000 tweets) are dumb. Others, are graphic and specifically designed to draw a shocked reaction. Enough of them, taken without context (as they were delivered, and were his purpose) would make you believe you were reading the tweets of a dangerous individual.

    And even if that's your humor (fine, i really dont care, its not about what I find offensive) you'd be hesitant to start posting that information on Twitter for public consumption, which he did. If one of his friends came out and said "man, I knew Gunn back in the day and that guy was filthy. he used to say the grossest jokes" this would be a non story. But it wasn't that. It was something he shared, on purpose, to provoke a reaction.

    And that's my issue with all this, even though I once again say I'd personally absolve Gunn since he owned it. People in this thread, and now you, are attempting to rationalize other's disgust with it by drawing unequal parallels. That's literally what's happening. So literal is the position to be here.

    rape and pedo jokes on a public forum with very descriptive and vulgar acts devised by the author's admission to draw attention and shock complete strangers is not the same thing as making off hand remarks amongst your friends or on a playground. The jokes, their content and the forum are not the same. That's why it drew attention. That's why Disney fired him. There's no ambiguous connection between a. stuff i say with friends in the backyard and b. stuff i tweet out for randoms to read. That difference is specific and literal.

    Would you email your friends at work about fisting a child while watching the Expendables last night? Come on..Being upset with that decision "because if we had to take a lie detector test" draws a very thin connection to what Gunn did. Would you make racist jokes at a work meeting? would you make fun of a handicap person while sitting at a seahawks game surrounded by complete strangers loud enough for them to hear you?

    And again, is no connection to how Gunn reacted.

    Yeah, people are hypocrites. Yeah, people overreact. That's not some breaking news Roland is kind enough to alert us to.

    It's not as simple as saying "hey, thats unfair. we all make lewd comments" either.
    I've already said his apology was enough for me. It not being enough for others is understandable. That's my point. you guys can continue to explore more ways to distract from it or focus on orifices or whatever.
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Re: Marvel Fired James Gunn.
Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:51 am
  • ^ Holy moral high ground, Batman.


    Sgt. Largent wrote:You're being too literal.

    It's about being inappropriate, and even crass and disgusting.....................and EVERY dude has been that, and hell most of us still are with our trusted friends.

    You're fixating on the pedophilia part of Gunn's tweets, and we're just making a general statement that and like Jeffries stated in his monologue, Gunn didn't actually commit the act of pedophilia, he just made a very unfunny joke.

    So where do you draw the line Si in order to absolve yourself from being lumped in with Gunn's type of humor, if that's the line you're trying to draw to show us you're not part of this general statement?

    Race? Sexuality? Criminal? Sexism? Cause if I made every one of us take a lie detector test on who's made inappropriate comments or jokes as adults? Every damn one of us would fail if we said no.

    Except Si...apparently.

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