Rome and Barcelona are my top two "cities." Seattle is damned beautiful though.

To make a long story short, yes.

I wish to God that I could find that rant by a prominent .Net member a few months ago (don't remember who) who basically went off about how Seattle was full of politically-correct hypocrites. I hate Seattle. Everyone I know there is a giant, ideologically programmed fake, including a lot of the Christians.

You have to get out into the plains to meet real people. Fender-bender? Messed-up McDonald's order? Nobody's gonna care.

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But it's no Umatilla, amirite?

On topic: No. Great place and a city I would liked to have lived in, but I think I'd prefer Vancouver, BC to Seattle in the PNW if I didn't live in Portland.

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You're from Montana

I really enjoyed Budapest. It was a nice city. I liked Prague more though. It's easier to get around. They have subways that circle the city, and stations about every 5 feet. Then they have light rail that runs around on the streets. It's like a hub and spoke, and it's beautiful there. I really liked a lot of Eastern Europe. Most cities in America are kind of "meh" because of mainly transportation issues. I love San Diego because of the weather. I love San Jose's outskirts because of the nice weather, but it's just too expensive to do anything there.

I love Utah, because we have 4 real seasons. I live ON a mountain at a mile of elevation, and then it goes up another 7,000 feet behind me. I moved 6 miles to the north. I was at the base of the mountain, now I'm up on it. I heard a mountain lion rumbling around outside last night. That was kind of cool. Just don't mess with one. It will rip you apart.

In 3 months we're moving 10 miles to the west right on the banks of a lake that is quite large (about 25 miles long and about 8 miles wide), and the river that connects it to the Great Salt Lake will run through my backyard right below my bedroom window. They have a massive pump system and flood gates in place so that it can't flood out our home. We're quite happy and I enjoy living here. I'm just very liberal and this place is way conservative. But you take what you can get. Overall it's a safe place and I don't mind being here, and it has as many recreation opportunities as you can handle. For example... if I were so inclined, I could drive 10 miles from here and be snowboarding, and then finish up the day with 18 holes of golf because it is about 50 degrees outside. Not many places in the world like that.

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Fixed it for ya

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I thought Rome was filthy and Barcelona had the rudest people.

I dunno if its because I've lived here my entire life, I really don't care for Seattle though, its way overrated in this thread IMO.

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Shark, I've heard similar about Prague. It's tops of my to-visit list. Had a chance to go back in '03, but just ran out of money traveling all the other places I did. Wish we would have done it anyway now. I'm assuming it's similar to some of the other Eastern European cities like Zagreb, which of course only makes me want to visit it more because I know how awesome it's going to be.



Incidentally, one of the first things the wife and I noticed about people out here was how polite and caring people were here. It was particularly noticeable in fast food joints. Coming from the East Coast, where truly nobody gave a shit, the difference was astonishing. The first time we went through a drive through, we both commented on it, saying it hardly felt like fast food because they were so nice, polite, and actually cared about the food they were giving us. And the rare time I've seen an order messed up here, I'm usually offered a free extra sandwich or fries or something.

I'll agree, Montana has some great people. I lived there for eight years and loved it. You're probably a bit spoiled since you know every single denizen of your town, but for bigger cities, Seattle is quite at the high end of politeness and civility.

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Seattle is great from about the 4th of July until about mid September. I like San Diego, Lake Havasu, and Vegas more on the western side. And I agree with taz about the better shores in the Gulf side of Florida. I haven't really been up in the north east much so I can't say for certain. And you can cross off the mid west since I have seen all of that and you aren't missing anything except nice friendly people.

Cape Henlopen, Delaware.

Just kidding, but it's my favorite town.

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Oh, Jesus. I can't respond to this, or I'll say something that will earn me a vacation. Suffice to say, you're very much a small-town guy, Montana.

Interesting note about Zagreb. I never got to go there because the day before we were supposed to go in, the state department said they weren't going to help extricate us if we had issues. We had visas and were given the go ahead, and then got stuck in Timisoara Romania, which is another very cool city. I really want to go back and see Zagreb. I really regret that I didn't get to, but this was May of 1995 and things were still on high alert. A bus had hit a roadside bomb the week we were to go in, so that was why we got the warning from the state department.

We ended up meeting up with another Mormon guy in Timisoara who was there enforcing an embargo (yeah right... he was totally a CIA official). Anyway, he helped get my brother and I out of the country and on to a plane to Seattle because our Uncle had just up and died the night before. Mr. CIA got us onto a plane without tickets, and got us transfers in Vienna, Atlanta and Las Vegas with about five minutes of phone calls. It was amazing. He talked to security at the Timisoara airport and they waved us through without issue. It was funny because he had only been there for about a month, and was speaking Romanian really fast. That is when I was like "wait... you don't work for the department of the treasury" he was like "Uh... yeah I do. Here's my card." With a wink.... pretty funny.

Eastern Europe is way cool. Vienna is of course "west" but totally overrated. Too pricey, too crowded, and the people are pretty snotty. Never had that in Budapest, Bucharest, Sofia, Timisoara, Prague, or any of the other places we went.

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No but it's one of them.

I grew up in Honolulu. I lived there for 50 years. I moved to the Bellevue area 5 years ago. I love living here. It's clean, the people are civilized, the schools are good, there is way more opportunity here and if your talking about natural beauty, on your average day, the Puget sound area far surpasses Honolulu.
Obviously Honolulu has better weather. My thought about the weather is that if the weather is what determines your daily mood you have bigger problems than just weather.

I've spent several years on Oahu, and can't say I really enjoyed Honolulu all that much. Yea, the touristy, seedy, oversold paradise schtick has a certain appeal, especially after dark, but it gets old quick. Pound for pound, your best bet on Oahu is the little North Shore town of Haleiwa. Tiny surfing town that has all the ambiance, twice the charm, and none of the commercialism that is Honolulu.

Plus you can stop by Kua Aina Burger. Best burger joint this side of Gardiner, Montana.

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I don't think I could get tired of looking at the sites in Rome. There's only so many times I can visit the Fremont Troll. Seattle's a great American city, friendly people, nice attractions, great mountain views on the waterfront, but when compared to international city's I think its outmatched.

This isn't exactly a fair comparison. The world didn't know the Americas existed when Rome was already a couple thousand years old. Seattle is 158 years old. That's like expecting a toddler to be as grown-up and cultured as a 40-year-old person.