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  • It does sound like it's going to be unanimous, I also can't imagine it won't be. Can you imagine the PR nightmare for the teams that don't go with Silver's wishes? good lord!
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  • personally I wish the Clippers would have just quit, forfeit the rest of the season and said FU
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  • Ya hear what the Warriors said they were going to do? They were going to turn their shirts inside out, warm up, and walk off right after the tip off...easy for them to say now after Sterling is banned. They should've done that the first game after the tapes leaked
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  • -The Glove- wrote:Ya hear what the Warriors said they were going to do? They were going to turn their shirts inside out, warm up, and walk off right after the tip off...easy for them to say now after Sterling is banned. They should've done that the first game after the tapes leaked


    hahhaha well they are about to lose, why not? Its almost too late now, I wish they would have done it immediately upon learning of this news, that would have sent a serious message, and the world would have been behind them.
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  • Sounds like the racist doesn't want to sell his team and will sue the NBA. :)
    I hope the racist and NBA NUKE each other in court and there is nothing left of each except smoldering rubble. I'll have my popcorn ready. :th2thumbs:
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  • HansGruber wrote:........We live in a world where privacy and discretion are dead. Where you can be fired or harassed for the most minor errors, simply to keep the peasants happy and the media paid. George Orwell would say he told you so.

    Absolute truth



    Hasselbeck wrote:.....We do indeed live in that world you described.. but that doesn't excuse Sterling, or anyone for that matter, for sharing these views with anyone. And considering this man is an owner, one of the most powerful titles in sports, overseeing a league that is largely African-American.. having a guy like that in power in 2014.. AFTER these tapes dropped, would have caused borderline mutiny. Adam Silver did the right thing in banning this guy from the league and there's no question 75% of the owners give this guy the boot - hell after this PR nightmare, I would be shocked if weren't a unanimous vote.

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  • HansGruber wrote:And yet, nobody seems at all curious why his wife/girlfriend decided to release this now. Surely it couldn't have been the first or only second time it happened. Why be okay with it until now? Why continue to see him if it is so morally reprehensible? Perhaps he was getting bored with his toy and she knew she'd never inherit anything so grab what you can before the door slams shut.

    She set him up, got him talking, recorded it and then released it to the media so all the peasants could do their pitchfork and torch thing. And sure as day, it went entirely according to her plan.

    What's most funny to me is that she shares his views but literally nobody is smart enough to realize they are being played like a chump. At least the media is doing it for money. The masses buy in because they are too angry and stupid to realize when they're being gamed.

    We live in a world where privacy and discretion are dead. Where you can be fired or harassed for the most minor errors, simply to keep the peasants happy and the media paid. George Orwell would say he told you so.


    You haven't been paying attention. That is the first thing I asked. I know, it's the internet and generalities work better.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:Sounds like the racist doesn't want to sell his team and will sue the NBA. :)
    I hope the racist and NBA NUKE each other in court and there is nothing left of each except smoldering rubble. I'll have my popcorn ready. :th2thumbs:


    Lawyers aren't even taking Sterlings case, he's done.

    There really isn't anything to hit the nba with, Silver released the NBA's constitution and bylaws just before the press conference, for the first time in ever we can read their secret fraternity rules and stuff. And nothing in those guidelines did Silver or the NBA violate.

    NBA still stands, long live the NBA. Sterling will die a confused, shamed, lonely and clipperless death.
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  • m0ng0 wrote:
    -The Glove- wrote:Ya hear what the Warriors said they were going to do? They were going to turn their shirts inside out, warm up, and walk off right after the tip off...easy for them to say now after Sterling is banned. They should've done that the first game after the tapes leaked


    hahhaha well they are about to lose, why not? Its almost too late now, I wish they would have done it immediately upon learning of this news, that would have sent a serious message, and the world would have been behind them.



    That's what I'm saying...its easy to say you were going to do that when you know you won't have to now. I already enjoy watching them play, but that would've automatically made me a fan
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  • What I don't get about Sterling is that the guy is Jewish and he's a racist. So you're part of perhaps the most persecuted group of people in history yet you are a racist. OK, that just makes you a complete POS.
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  • HFSD1. Not quite sure why, but some Blacks and Jewish folks have had issues with one another. See the infamous Jessie Jackson description of New York. The world is one crazy ride. A lot of wasted energies.
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  • Throwdown wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:Sounds like the racist doesn't want to sell his team and will sue the NBA. :)
    I hope the racist and NBA NUKE each other in court and there is nothing left of each except smoldering rubble. I'll have my popcorn ready. :th2thumbs:


    Lawyers aren't even taking Sterlings case, he's done.

    There really isn't anything to hit the nba with, Silver released the NBA's constitution and bylaws just before the press conference, for the first time in ever we can read their secret fraternity rules and stuff. And nothing in those guidelines did Silver or the NBA violate.

    NBA still stands, long live the NBA. Sterling will die a confused, shamed, lonely and clipperless death.

    You are forgetting he is a billionaire who could buy the best lawyers money can buy reguardless of how frivolous it may or may not be. He is everything you say he is and probably worse......but if he wants to he will get a pound of flesh from the NBA.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:Sounds like the racist doesn't want to sell his team and will sue the NBA. :)
    I hope the racist and NBA NUKE each other in court and there is nothing left of each except smoldering rubble. I'll have my popcorn ready. :th2thumbs:


    Lawyers aren't even taking Sterlings case, he's done.

    There really isn't anything to hit the nba with, Silver released the NBA's constitution and bylaws just before the press conference, for the first time in ever we can read their secret fraternity rules and stuff. And nothing in those guidelines did Silver or the NBA violate.

    NBA still stands, long live the NBA. Sterling will die a confused, shamed, lonely and clipperless death.

    You are forgetting he is a billionaire who could buy the best lawyers money can buy reguardless of how frivolous it may or may not be. He is everything you say he is and probably worse......but if he wants to he will get a pound of flesh from the NBA.


    If he does, I don't think Silver would even care lol, Silver just wants him gone. Also this is a good platform if this does go to trial to see if Silvers commitment to transparency that he's talked about since becoming the commissioner is actually for real, or if he's just blowing smoke trying to win adoration from fans.
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  • drdiags wrote:You haven't been paying attention. That is the first thing I asked. I know, it's the internet and generalities work better.


    I avoided reading any articles about it because I refuse to be emotionally manipulated by the media. The media loves racism because it makes it easier to sell you Pizza Pockets and Diet Coke. I refuse to have products marketed to me in this fashion by morally-bankrupt hucksters.

    However, I hate to be wrong on facts, so I did spend a few minutes reading the details. Some other lowlife, V. Sciviano, is the one manipulating the torch-wielding mobs in a transparent attempt to extort money from Sterling. My points remain the same, only the names change.

    Sterling is a stupid old racist. Who cares? Old people tend to have outdated views. However, they are still humans and still deserve that most basic human right of all - privacy. Sterling was being a racist in private and it should have stayed that way.

    And frankly, that is to me the worst thing in all of this. What is the point of getting upset about racism if you live in a world where nobody is allowed privacy? Privacy is the most important of all human rights.

    Without privacy, we are naked wild animals in a zoo, copulating and defecating for the amusement of imbeciles. Our entire lives become a form of entertainment to some slack-jawed "viewer" waiting for the next tragedy to amuse them.
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  • So Hans, in your opinion even when the tape leaked (as unlawful as it was) do you think the NBA should protect itself and its interests (one being the Clippers)? The views got heard whether it was unlawfully leaked or not, the players weren't going to play for him, the league was on the verge of near mutiny, sponsors started pulling partnerships. The league had no choice in the matter, they had to oust him, mostly because the views got heard.
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  • America tends to forgive folks when they are caught saying un-popular things. I rather have a racist or bigot out in the open. At least you know who you are dealing with. The NBA has some exclusive rules and as seen with the HBN attempt to buy the Kings, don't have to answer to normal business concepts because of their organizational standing.

    I don't think the NBA should be able to take Sterling's team from him due to some Riley Cooper type private conversation. He is not alone in his beliefs and his line of thinking wasn't unknown to the NBA. Stern was aware. Sure, as a player on his team, I wouldn't feel too chipper working for someone I know can't stand to be around me. Sure, the NBA had to consider the impact of players boycotting the playoffs and costing them millions in endorsements and television revenue. That was the reason the NBA did what it did. They had to cover themselves. Not because of some noble idea, but rather to avert a potential fiscal damaging scenario due to this.

    And the first thing I thought of when I caught wind of this story is try to figure out why the GF was recording this in the first place. Later details showed her motives. Some things need to stay behind closed doors. It isn't like his prior documented history didn't show he had issues with minorities so GF wasn't exposing some vital secret. She had her own agenda.

    The owners got on-board to protect their image. They may rue the day, since there are several of them who have done some underhanded deeds themselves. Sterling will fight this, maybe he "loses" but with a nice profit on his initial investment and probably not much longer to live, he will be alright. He will be pissed he was forced to sell but other than losing the prestige of being an NBA owner not injured beyond repair.
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  • The issue of privacy is a red herring in this instance. The real issue is that you have someone making lots of money off of mostly-black labor who finally got 100% caught insulting the very labor that runs the league. Secondary is whether or not Mr. Sterling had an expectation of privacy; maybe if he had stayed at home with his wife instead of chasing around women that he was not able to trust as much and sharing his views on race, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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  • On the topic of Sterling not losing money with the sale of the Clippers, I guess he would be subject to capital gains taxes up to 33% of the sale that his family wouldn't have to deal with if they inherited the Clippers from him. This could be a drawn out situation.
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  • Throwdown wrote:
    HansGruber wrote:And yet, nobody seems at all curious why his wife/girlfriend decided to release this now. Surely it couldn't have been the first or only second time it happened. Why be okay with it until now? Why continue to see him if it is so morally reprehensible? Perhaps he was getting bored with his toy and she knew she'd never inherit anything so grab what you can before the door slams shut.

    She set him up, got him talking, recorded it and then released it to the media so all the peasants could do their pitchfork and torch thing. And sure as day, it went entirely according to her plan.

    What's most funny to me is that she shares his views but literally nobody is smart enough to realize they are being played like a chump. At least the media is doing it for money. The masses buy in because they are too angry and stupid to realize when they're being gamed.

    We live in a world where privacy and discretion are dead. Where you can be fired or harassed for the most minor errors, simply to keep the peasants happy and the media paid. George Orwell would say he told you so.


    Yeah, but once it got out, the NBA had no choice in the matter. They did what had to be done, no?


    How so? Did they discipline him for doing anything illegal? Or did they just hand out a seven-figure fine and a lifetime ban for being an asshole? The guy's a racist douchebag, for sure. He's disgusting; a cross between Mr. Burns and Quagmire, but douchier. Except that nothing he did was remotely illegal. And while he did nothing illegal, the league, through pressure from what was essentially a lynch mob, handed out an incredibly stiff sentence to him for simply exercising his First Amendment rights, in private, with reasonable assurance it would stay private.

    Not to make this too political, but there's a reason for the Bill of Rights, including the First Amendment, and it certainly ain't for protecting speech which is condoned by popular opinion. It's there to protect that which isn't popularly accepted. That which is accepted by the majority as kosher has no need of a Bill of Rights to protect it. This guy, douche or no, is simply the third or fourth in what appears to be a long line of people whose rights, although not violated by government, are most certainly curtailed by mob "justice".

    That said, Oprah is said to be heading up a gang of folks wanting to buy the Clippers. With her, and Magic Johnson, and others, how many honestly think Chris Hansen has a snowball's chance in the pit of Hades at buying the team, even if he puts forth the effort?
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  • I don't even think Hansen should try with the Clippers, just leave that situation be.

    The Oprah thing would another super team like Seattle's group, just a bit more super. They're saying that the group is Larry Ellison (who has been pretty much shut out of the NBA at every chance he's had to buy a team, the league just keeps telling him no), David Geffen, and Oprah. Geffen and Ellison would run the day to day operations needed for owners, Oprah's just an investor.

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  • Throwdown wrote:I don't even think Hansen should try with the Clippers, just leave that situation be.

    The Oprah thing would another super team like Seattle's group, just a bit more super. They're saying that the group is Larry Ellison (who has been pretty much shut out of the NBA at every chance he's had to buy a team, the league just keeps telling him no), David Geffen, and Oprah. Geffen and Ellison would run the day to day operations needed for owners, Oprah's just an investor.

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  • drdiags wrote:HFSD1. Not quite sure why, but some Blacks and Jewish folks have had issues with one another. See the infamous Jessie Jackson description of New York. The world is one crazy ride. A lot of wasted energies.

    I've heard there's no love lost between Hispanics and blacks as well. Yes my friend, a LOT of wasted energies.
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  • Life has always been this way. People do socially unacceptable things and are ostracized for it. Welcome to human interaction. This is not an argument that it is "right," just that it is how we get along in society together.

    The Bill of Rights has nothing to do with this conversation. The government didn't throw Sterling in jail for what he said. However, the NBA has the right to react to Sterling's remarks in whatever way they'd like, we have the right to react to Sterling's remarks whatever way we'd like, the players have that right, etc.

    If Mr. Sterling didn't want to risk this sort of social backlash, he at the very least should have been more careful about who he espoused these views to. Or he could try to change and not be a racist, but people really don't like to work too hard on that sort of change for themselves sometimes.
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  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:
    drdiags wrote:HFSD1. Not quite sure why, but some Blacks and Jewish folks have had issues with one another. See the infamous Jessie Jackson description of New York. The world is one crazy ride. A lot of wasted energies.

    I've heard there's no love lost between Hispanics and blacks as well. Yes my friend, a LOT of wasted energies.


    As a quick aside, blacks and jews died in the struggle for civil rights together. There are highs in human behavior and there are lows. I hope I don't sink too often to the low side but depends on who the judges are.
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  • Smelly McUgly wrote:Life has always been this way. People do socially unacceptable things and are ostracized for it. Welcome to human interaction. This is not an argument that it is "right," just that it is how we get along in society together.

    The Bill of Rights has nothing to do with this conversation. The government didn't throw Sterling in jail for what he said. However, the NBA has the right to react to Sterling's remarks in whatever way they'd like, we have the right to react to Sterling's remarks whatever way we'd like, the players have that right, etc.

    If Mr. Sterling didn't want to risk this sort of social backlash, he at the very least should have been more careful about who he espoused these views to. Or he could try to change and not be a racist, but people really don't like to work too hard on that sort of change for themselves sometimes.


    It is however about privacy and an increasing tendency for media and the larger society to care less and less about it. How would you feel about someone recording all your conversations just in case you say something juicy, rip it completely out of context, and then publish it to your parents, family and friends for the sole purpose of destroying your character? The less the media and people in general value privacy, the more the door will open until there is no longer a perception that it is even something that should be protected at all for the sake of "transparency" and "security".

    You may not like this guy, I may not like this guy, but I should think most people care about something like that.
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  • Milehighhawk wrote:
    Smelly McUgly wrote:Life has always been this way. People do socially unacceptable things and are ostracized for it. Welcome to human interaction. This is not an argument that it is "right," just that it is how we get along in society together.

    The Bill of Rights has nothing to do with this conversation. The government didn't throw Sterling in jail for what he said. However, the NBA has the right to react to Sterling's remarks in whatever way they'd like, we have the right to react to Sterling's remarks whatever way we'd like, the players have that right, etc.

    If Mr. Sterling didn't want to risk this sort of social backlash, he at the very least should have been more careful about who he espoused these views to. Or he could try to change and not be a racist, but people really don't like to work too hard on that sort of change for themselves sometimes.


    It is however about privacy and an increasing tendency for media and the larger society to care less and less about it. How would you feel about someone recording all your conversations just in case you say something juicy, rip it completely out of context, and then publish it to your parents, family and friends for the sole purpose of destroying your character? The less the media and people in general value privacy, the more the door will open until there is no longer a perception that it is even something that should be protected at all for the sake of "transparency" and "security".

    You may not like this guy, I may not like this guy, but I should think most people care about something like that.


    Again, this is a different discussion. However, people have ALWAYS been nosy as hell. This idea that privacy is something we USED to value, but now don't, is not an accurate one. Societies across time have been all about nosing into people's business in order to make sure that people are fitting into society properly. Since we're talking about race, look at something like anti-miscegenation laws, both written and unwritten, but enforced by a society that would cast out both members of a marriage like that. Where was a right to privacy then?

    In any case, where the remarks came from didn't matter. If someone secretly recorded your employer saying disparaging things about you and your family, would you say, "Oh, well, someone violated his privacy!" or would you be more upset about what your employer said in the first place? If Mr. Sterling wanted to avoid pissing off his employees, who by the way are in a business where it is more obvious than most that the labor itself is the key reason the whole enterprise makes any money, he should have been more aware of who he was saying these things to.

    And are you suggesting that Sterling's words were taken out of context? People always complain about the media "taking things out of context." This happens sometimes, but other times, it's just a throw-away phrase meant to show MEDIA BAD rather than a specific criticism, or at worst, it is something people say who were quoted in context, but who don't want to apologize and instead try to flip criticism back on the media.
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  • Milehighhawk wrote:
    It is however about privacy and an increasing tendency for media and the larger society to care less and less about it. How would you feel about someone recording all your conversations just in case you say something juicy, rip it completely out of context, and then publish it to your parents, family and friends for the sole purpose of destroying your character? The less the media and people in general value privacy, the more the door will open until there is no longer a perception that it is even something that should be protected at all for the sake of "transparency" and "security".

    You may not like this guy, I may not like this guy, but I should think most people care about something like that.


    It wasn't out of context. The government has taken no action. There is no legal issue. Privacy is not an acceptable term for a public figure. We live in a public word, if you're a public figure things will come out. Everyone has phones that record HD video and audio. I prefer a world in which people actually think about what they do and say and see consequences (not by the government but by other humans) rather than a world that's hush hush.

    I care that the government isn't impeding on his ability to privately hate black people. I do care that a private organization kicks him the f*@# out.
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  • After reading the actual NBA bylaws, I don't know if they actually have the cause required to put Sterling before the board of governors. Not that they won't try, but it look like the legal wording favors Sterling.
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  • SonicHawk wrote:
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    It is however about privacy and an increasing tendency for media and the larger society to care less and less about it. How would you feel about someone recording all your conversations just in case you say something juicy, rip it completely out of context, and then publish it to your parents, family and friends for the sole purpose of destroying your character? The less the media and people in general value privacy, the more the door will open until there is no longer a perception that it is even something that should be protected at all for the sake of "transparency" and "security".

    You may not like this guy, I may not like this guy, but I should think most people care about something like that.


    It wasn't out of context. The government has taken no action. There is no legal issue. Privacy is not an acceptable term for a public figure. We live in a public word, if you're a public figure things will come out. Everyone has phones that record HD video and audio. I prefer a world in which people actually think about what they do and say and see consequences (not by the government but by other humans) rather than a world that's hush hush.

    I care that the government isn't impeding on his ability to privately hate black people. I do care that a private organization kicks him the f*@# out.


    Not to mention Sterling requested on his own volition to have his conversations recorded because he was having trouble remembering things and then trusted those recordings to his mistress (that always seems safe)

    Basic line is this:

    a. he was an a-hole and a racist.
    2. he picked an disloyal gold digging tramp to record his conversations
    c. she got back at him for whatever reason she chose because, well, she's an disloyal gold digging tramp
    d. noone is coming to his defense because, shockingly, this surprises noone that knows him. That has to say a ton.

    He did this to himself. While I understand the perception (and its a rationale one) that our entire sordid lives are seemingly open to display, in this case Sterling chose to say these things while knowing that his mistress/assistant was recording conversations (he may not have known she was recording that one). Apparently there are 11 hours (11 HOURS!) of recorded conversation.
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  • SonicHawk wrote:
    Milehighhawk wrote:
    It is however about privacy and an increasing tendency for media and the larger society to care less and less about it. How would you feel about someone recording all your conversations just in case you say something juicy, rip it completely out of context, and then publish it to your parents, family and friends for the sole purpose of destroying your character? The less the media and people in general value privacy, the more the door will open until there is no longer a perception that it is even something that should be protected at all for the sake of "transparency" and "security".

    You may not like this guy, I may not like this guy, but I should think most people care about something like that.


    It wasn't out of context. The government has taken no action. There is no legal issue. Privacy is not an acceptable term for a public figure. We live in a public word, if you're a public figure things will come out. Everyone has phones that record HD video and audio. I prefer a world in which people actually think about what they do and say and see consequences (not by the government but by other humans) rather than a world that's hush hush.

    I care that the government isn't impeding on his ability to privately hate black people. I do care that a private organization kicks him the f*@# out.


    1. Never implied what Sterling said was taken out of context.
    2. Never implied the government took any action.
    3. Never implied there was a legal issue.
    4. Never defended his actions or character.

    You are completely off-base in your assertion that a "public-figure" has no right or less of a right ("not an acceptable term") to privacy and dare you to find anything to back up that assertion.

    We agree he is a dirt bag.

    Please try to argue against what I wrote instead of what your imagination says I wrote, it makes conversations a little easier to follow.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:
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    Milehighhawk wrote:
    It is however about privacy and an increasing tendency for media and the larger society to care less and less about it. How would you feel about someone recording all your conversations just in case you say something juicy, rip it completely out of context, and then publish it to your parents, family and friends for the sole purpose of destroying your character? The less the media and people in general value privacy, the more the door will open until there is no longer a perception that it is even something that should be protected at all for the sake of "transparency" and "security".

    You may not like this guy, I may not like this guy, but I should think most people care about something like that.


    It wasn't out of context. The government has taken no action. There is no legal issue. Privacy is not an acceptable term for a public figure. We live in a public word, if you're a public figure things will come out. Everyone has phones that record HD video and audio. I prefer a world in which people actually think about what they do and say and see consequences (not by the government but by other humans) rather than a world that's hush hush.

    I care that the government isn't impeding on his ability to privately hate black people. I do care that a private organization kicks him the f*@# out.


    Not to mention Sterling requested on his own volition to have his conversations recorded because he was having trouble remembering things and then trusted those recordings to his mistress (that always seems safe)

    Basic line is this:

    a. he was an a-hole and a racist.
    2. he picked an disloyal gold digging tramp to record his conversations
    c. she got back at him for whatever reason she chose because, well, she's an disloyal gold digging tramp
    d. noone is coming to his defense because, shockingly, this surprises noone that knows him. That has to say a ton.

    He did this to himself. While I understand the perception (and its a rationale one) that our entire sordid lives are seemingly open to display, in this case Sterling chose to say these things while knowing that his mistress/assistant was recording conversations (he may not have known she was recording that one). Apparently there are 11 hours (11 HOURS!) of recorded conversation.


    Do you have a source for the bolded? That is quite a claim. I can pretty much understand/agree with the rest of this, but the increasingly tabloid nature (if I may use such a phrase) and mob behavior of the "regular" media is disturbing to me.
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    Sports Hernia wrote:Sounds like the racist doesn't want to sell his team and will sue the NBA. :)
    I hope the racist and NBA NUKE each other in court and there is nothing left of each except smoldering rubble. I'll have my popcorn ready. :th2thumbs:


    Lawyers aren't even taking Sterlings case, he's done.

    There really isn't anything to hit the nba with, Silver released the NBA's constitution and bylaws just before the press conference, for the first time in ever we can read their secret fraternity rules and stuff. And nothing in those guidelines did Silver or the NBA violate.

    NBA still stands, long live the NBA. Sterling will die a confused, shamed, lonely and clipperless death.

    You are forgetting he is a billionaire who could buy the best lawyers money can buy reguardless of how frivolous it may or may not be. He is everything you say he is and probably worse......but if he wants to he will get a pound of flesh from the NBA.


    If he does, I don't think Silver would even care lol, Silver just wants him gone. Also this is a good platform if this does go to trial to see if Silvers commitment to transparency that he's talked about since becoming the commissioner is actually for real, or if he's just blowing smoke trying to win adoration from fans.
    What Silver thinks is irrelevant, If this goes to court. You are right about the transparency par though, a test I think Silver will fail, but we will see .
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  • Milehighhawk wrote:


    1. Never implied what Sterling said was taken out of context.



    Milehighhawk wrote:
    How would you feel about someone recording all your conversations just in case you say something juicy, rip it completely out of context,



    Uh...unless you're going to say that this is quoted out of context, you sure did imply that the media is taking Sterling out of context.
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  • Smelly McUgly wrote:
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    1. Never implied what Sterling said was taken out of context.



    Milehighhawk wrote:
    How would you feel about someone recording all your conversations just in case you say something juicy, rip it completely out of context,



    Uh...unless you're going to say that this is quoted out of context, you sure did imply that the media is taking Sterling out of context.


    Again reading is fundamental. I guess I have to quote myself "How would you feel about someone recording all YOUR converstions..." Note your is the object of the preposition, not Sterling. It is a nod towards the tendency for people to generally take such things out of context as often they are given no context to start with, not addressing Sterling's specific situation. Thanks for playing.
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  • The claim was taken from Bill Simmons piece on Grantland and I think is part of (or becoming) the accepted narrative of how his mistress was able to get the recordings.

    quoted from Simmons "Supposedly there are more than a hundred hours of these tapes. Supposedly Sterling asked his assistant/girlfriend/whatever-the-hell-she-was, V. Stiviano, to start recording his thoughts because the 80-year-old Sterling couldn’t remember things as well anymore. Supposedly this is only getting worse."

    (I said 11, apparently its hundreds!)

    I do not dispute the hungry tabloid nature of our society and its rippling effects on privacy, truth and the massive grey area that exists between. But in this sense, Sterling's own character assassinated itself it seems in the company with whom he trusted his bigotry.
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  • Milehighhawk wrote:
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    1. Never implied what Sterling said was taken out of context.



    Milehighhawk wrote:
    How would you feel about someone recording all your conversations just in case you say something juicy, rip it completely out of context,



    Uh...unless you're going to say that this is quoted out of context, you sure did imply that the media is taking Sterling out of context.


    Again reading is fundamental. I guess I have to quote myself "How would you feel about someone recording all YOUR converstions..." Note your is the object of the preposition, not Sterling. It is a nod towards the tendency for people to generally take such things out of context as often they are given no context to start with, not addressing Sterling's specific situation. Thanks for playing.


    Then why even mention it since it's irrelevant to the issue at hand? Seems like you're backpedaling a lot here.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:The claim was taken from Bill Simmons piece on Grantland and I think is part of (or becoming) the accepted narrative of how his mistress was able to get the recordings.

    quoted from Simmons "Supposedly there are more than a hundred hours of these tapes. Supposedly Sterling asked his assistant/girlfriend/whatever-the-hell-she-was, V. Stiviano, to start recording his thoughts because the 80-year-old Sterling couldn’t remember things as well anymore. Supposedly this is only getting worse."

    (I said 11, apparently its hundreds!)

    I do not dispute the hungry tabloid nature of our society and its rippling effects on privacy, truth and the massive grey area that exists between. But in this sense, Sterling's own character assassinated itself it seems in the company with whom he trusted his bigotry.


    Wow, that may make this even more interesting. If the man is beginning to suffer forms of dementia/memory loss, I wonder if he can make any defense based on disability...
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  • Milehighhawk wrote:
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    1. Never implied what Sterling said was taken out of context.



    Milehighhawk wrote:
    How would you feel about someone recording all your conversations just in case you say something juicy, rip it completely out of context,



    Uh...unless you're going to say that this is quoted out of context, you sure did imply that the media is taking Sterling out of context.


    Again reading is fundamental. I guess I have to quote myself "How would you feel about someone recording all YOUR converstions..." Note your is the object of the preposition, not Sterling. It is a nod towards the tendency for people to generally take such things out of context as often they are given no context to start with, not addressing Sterling's specific situation. Thanks for playing.


    No, you just can't write for crap, which I fully realized when you misused the word "preposition."

    As anyone who has passed English 101 would know, when one comments on the Sterling issue by saying, "How would you feel at someone recording all your conversations and taking you out of context," one implies that both of these elements were at play in the original Sterling incident. If you wanted to be exact, maybe you should have written something like: "How would you feel if you were recorded? Furthermore, even though it did not happen in Sterling's case, what if you were taken out of context when quoted by the media in those recordings?" See how that extra sentence illustrates that you are not trying to imply that Sterling was taken out of context? Not that hard, is it?

    So please take a composition class and learn how to write or stick to writing about topics that aren't beyond your ability, like picture books and crayons. Thanks, champ.
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  • I think there is a far stretch from requesting your assistant to record conversations for egotistical posterity and some mental incapication. I dont imagine, unless there is some medical documentation showing he was headed down that road that he would have any defense there.

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  • Uncle Si wrote:I think there is a far stretch from requesting your assistant to record conversations for egotistical posterity and some mental incapication. I dont imagine, unless there is some medical documentation showing he was headed down that road that he would have any defense there.

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  • I probably shouldn't have been rude, but it's okay to admit that your thoughts ran ahead of your ability to word them properly. It happens to everyone. On the other hand, attacking people as though they aren't able to read is a chump move. Admit your error and move on.

    Anyway, returning to the original discussion...the NBA must love that they may have an ownership group with a black female in it that they can tout. Oprah would be a nice "face of the franchise" get for the NBA.
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  • Smelly McUgly wrote:I probably shouldn't have been rude, but it's okay to admit that your thoughts ran ahead of your ability to word them properly. It happens to everyone. On the other hand, attacking people as though they aren't able to read is a chump move. Admit your error and move on.

    Anyway, returning to the original discussion...the NBA must love that they may have an ownership group with a black female in it that they can tout. Oprah would be a nice "face of the franchise" get for the NBA.


    Going to drop this here, no need to go in circles. We'll leave it as a misunderstanding despite the personal attacks.

    I still question whether or not the NBA will be able to force him out completely if, and its a big if, he chooses to take the legal route. It could probably drag on until he dies of old age.
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  • Throwdown wrote:It does sound like it's going to be unanimous, I also can't imagine it won't be. Can you imagine the PR nightmare for the teams that don't go with Silver's wishes? good lord!

    They'd be stupid to not to vote him out, but it's their right not to if the so choose. Was reading an AP article today that made a solid arguement for DS's side due to vague and debateable language in the NBA's bylaws.

    Also, let's say an owner like Cuban stands up and says I'm voting against a forced sale based on the "slippery slope" arguement, what's Silver going to do besides shake his boney little fist at him?
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  • I apologize, Mile High. I should not have escalated the rhetoric.
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    Throwdown wrote:It does sound like it's going to be unanimous, I also can't imagine it won't be. Can you imagine the PR nightmare for the teams that don't go with Silver's wishes? good lord!

    They'd be stupid to not to vote him out, but it's their right not to if the so choose. Was reading an AP article today that made a solid arguement for DS's side due to vague and debateable language in the NBA's bylaws.

    Also, let's say an owner like Cuban stands up and says I'm voting against a forced sale based on the "slippery slope" arguement, what's Silver going to do besides shake his boney little fist at him?


    Cuban also said afterwards that he stood behind Silver. Cuban might be unstable ;)
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  • Throwdown wrote:
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    Throwdown wrote:It does sound like it's going to be unanimous, I also can't imagine it won't be. Can you imagine the PR nightmare for the teams that don't go with Silver's wishes? good lord!

    They'd be stupid to not to vote him out, but it's their right not to if the so choose. Was reading an AP article today that made a solid arguement for DS's side due to vague and debateable language in the NBA's bylaws.

    Also, let's say an owner like Cuban stands up and says I'm voting against a forced sale based on the "slippery slope" arguement, what's Silver going to do besides shake his boney little fist at him?


    Cuban also said afterwards that he stood behind Silver. Cuban might be unstable ;)

    He stood behind Silver with reservations and concerns that this could go down the slippery slope route in the future. He might be outside of the box when it comes to convention wisdom, but I don't think he is unstable, outspoken, yes.
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  • Throwdown wrote:Is it even worth it for Sterling to fight?

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    Being ultra wealthy and stubborn, yes in his riddled mind it would be. This goofball doesn't have any common sense.
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  • He has an incredible 1st amendment and privacy rights case on his hands. The case should honestly go to the supreme court and any (pro) lawyer would take that case in a heartbeat
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  • Whether it was legally or illegally taped, his opinions were heard no? We're just act like the stuff wasn't heard? come the hell on with this.

    His presence is harmful to the Clippers organization and the NBA because the tapes were HEARD and his views are out there. Dude shouldn't get to keep his team.
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