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  • how to fix it.

    Sometimes, NBA talk seeps into my view. People are really complaining about teams tanking for better draft picks.

    Therefore, I think the solution is to steal from soccer: relegation.

    The D-League is a minor league system and should remain as such. However, the NBA should sign a deal with the CBA. The last two teams in each conference get relegated to the CBA, and the CBA champ and runner-up enter the NBA. Any NBA teams that go down to the CBA have all players, coaches, and front office staff get their salaries scaled down to CBA-level salaries, and the reverse is true for winning CBA teams. The incentive not to lose is obvious.

    BOOM. I would watch that, especially after Kevin Durant leaves for Brooklyn and the Zombies and Kings spend the rest of their franchise days alternating in and out of the CBA.

    You're all welcome for this awesome solution.
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  • I quit watching after the Sonics-Phoenix series in what 1993?

    Seeing Barkley go to the free throw line more than 40 times in a game?

    NBA and basketball is not even in my thoughts.
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  • The only reason I want the NBA back is because it increases the chance of an NHL team coming here. Besides that I hope the NBA dies a long painful death.
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  • CBA no longer exists. Most of the former CBA teams are part of the D-League.
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  • Largent80 wrote:I quit watching after the Sonics-Phoenix series in what 1993?

    Seeing Barkley go to the free throw line more than 40 times in a game?

    NBA and basketball is not even in my thoughts.


    I didn't quit at that time but I still can't believe how corrupt that game was. The Suns went to the free throw line 64 times and made 57.
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  • They'd never do this but imagine if the NBA adopted a tournament similar to the NCAA? One and dones would be fun
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  • It needed to die when they pulled the Seattle robbery..I still hope it dies a painful death..It has evolved into a soft mushy pile of crap...Will never watch it again ever..Except on you tube where you can see when it was a real game ...
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  • I didn't know the CBA was dead, which tells you how much I pay attention to basketball anymore. That's okay! We can make a deal with a Chinese league. Send 'em overseas if they can't avoid finishing last in their conference!
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  • The NBA, Where traveling is never called. Why do they even dribble? You can take 3-4 steps and switch your pivot foot multiple times and no whistle.
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  • OffseasonChampions wrote:The NBA, Where traveling is never called. Why do they even dribble? You can take 3-4 steps and switch your pivot foot multiple times and no whistle.
    LeBron is the king of this...can't watch this garbage nowadays
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  • So was Jordan.
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  • What's amazing is that people just accept that stars will get calls in key situations. This is something people normalize about watching NBA basketball. Notice that, unlike in the NFL, there were only about five different teams to win it all between about 1980 and 2007, the last year I watched. Partially this is because superstars and their teams get a ton of help from league officials.
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  • I've always hated superstar calls in the NBA. It just shows at least a partial fix is in. If they are superstars they shouldn't need help from the officiating. Problem is the league has been doing this for 30+ years. When they played when did you ever see Shaq or Jordan foul out of a game? Try never.

    The superstar call is a main reason it's a crap league and crap product.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:I've always hated superstar calls in the NBA. It just shows at least a partial fix is in. If they are superstars they shouldn't need help from the officiating. Problem is the league has been doing this for 30+ years. When they played when did you ever see Shaq or Jordan foul out of a game? Try never.

    The superstar call is a main reason it's a crap league and crap product.

    I don't know that Jordan needed any help from the officials-not saying he didn't get any..I agree though a lot of superstars get the calls..Shaq did foul out a lot..Wilt never did once.
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    Sports Hernia wrote:I've always hated superstar calls in the NBA. It just shows at least a partial fix is in. If they are superstars they shouldn't need help from the officiating. Problem is the league has been doing this for 30+ years. When they played when did you ever see Shaq or Jordan foul out of a game? Try never.

    The superstar call is a main reason it's a crap league and crap product.

    I don't know that Jordan needed any help from the officials-not saying he didn't get any..I agree though a lot of superstars get the calls..Shaq did foul out a lot..Wilt never did once.

    Jordan only fouled out 11 times, and I guarantee they came way early in his career, and I doubt Shaq's number was much higher despite throwing guys around like rag dolls. When these superstars foul guys and it's called a lot of times the foul is "assigned" to a nearby teammate from the official. The NBA has known it has had a shaky product for decades, and the superstar call is their version of baseball's steroids.

    Their misguided belief is everyone wants to watch the "superstars"....... Wrong! I want to watch MY team BEAT the superstars on an even playing field/court. That's why they try to go to towns where they are the only game in town, they know the quality of their product wont be questioned.
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  • Sports Hernia wrote:So was Jordan.


    Yup. It started with him.
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  • IndyHawk wrote:
    Sports Hernia wrote:I've always hated superstar calls in the NBA. It just shows at least a partial fix is in. If they are superstars they shouldn't need help from the officiating. Problem is the league has been doing this for 30+ years. When they played when did you ever see Shaq or Jordan foul out of a game? Try never.

    The superstar call is a main reason it's a crap league and crap product.

    I don't know that Jordan needed any help from the officials-not saying he didn't get any..I agree though a lot of superstars get the calls..Shaq did foul out a lot..Wilt never did once.


    If he had a bad shooting night from the field he ironically would also be 24-26 from the ft line.
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  • You know I got to kind of defend MJ because I was watching the Bulls run the whole time..Almost every game and it was rare he would have a bad night,if he did he would pass a lot more and take it to the hoop and draw fouls..Sure he got some bogus calls but we have all agreed superstars get those calls..
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  • IndyHawk wrote:You know I got to kind of defend MJ because I was watching the Bulls run the whole time..Almost every game and it was rare he would have a bad night,if he did he would pass a lot more and take it to the hoop and draw fouls..Sure he got some bogus calls but we have all agreed superstars get those calls..

    I'm not blaming Jordan or any other player for taking advantage what the league gives them. I'm blaming the NBA. He knew he wasn't going to foul out and if he drove to the hoop and missed he'd get bailed out by the zebras. I'd rather see a legitimate officiated game vs a game that superstars have an unfair advantage. The NBA and their brain trust (or lack there of) feels differently.
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  • Meh, anyone could get most of these "superstar" calls if these players had the brains to attack the basket in the clutch, where most these late game free throw fouls and normal free throw fouls for that matter, happen most the time.

    But hey, who am I to poop on a conspiracy party?
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  • Throwdown wrote:Meh, anyone could get most of these "superstar" calls if these players had the brains to attack the basket in the clutch, where most these late game free throw fouls and normal free throw fouls for that matter, happen most the time.

    But hey, who am I to poop on a conspiracy party?

    With all due respect intended! BS!
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  • Care to eleborate?

    Antonio Daniels used to do it all the time when he was with the Sonics. I know you aren't calling Antonio Daniels a superstar, theres numerous others that would do this.

    Its pretty simple basketball knowledge that you're instilled with as a kid... How much time is left? whats the score? if its all close, you attack the basket.
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  • The complaints you guys have about officiating favoring the superstars go right to the doorstep of David Stern. He has orchestrated all of the bullshit in the NBA in the name of marketing and growth. Superstars and big market teams have sold merchandise and generated ratings because IMO unlike the NFL, he didn't feel the purity of their game stood on its own. He has largely been successful in his approach, but I question the sustainability of a superstar driven league considering how the NFL got to where it is was based on parity and competition. Perhaps because there's only 5 guys on the floor at any one time the superstar driven model of he NBA will continue. I have doubts because I believe at some point people in Cleveland, Sacramento, Toronto, etc. are going to get bored as hell with the endless losing and just quit on being fans of the game and not bother to show up/watch even when LeBron comes to town.

    One thing I do know though, Stern screwed the city of Seattle mightily and for that I hope he rots in hell.
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  • Throwdown wrote:Care to eleborate?

    Antonio Daniels used to do it all the time when he was with the Sonics. I know you aren't calling Antonio Daniels a superstar, theres numerous others that would do this.

    Its pretty simple basketball knowledge that you're instilled with as a kid... How much time is left? whats the score? if its all close, you attack the basket.

    If you really believe ther are "no superstar calls" in the NBA you are watching he game thru rose colored glasses. There is nothing wrong with loving the game and the league if you choose to do so but come to blindly ignore one of the NBA's biggest warts is well........ Let me stop there, before going off on the NBA again or come across as a dick to you (as you are one of the posters I respect here).
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  • I mean I'm not saying there aren't super star cars or calls that favor certain players

    Remember the Sonics Vs Spurs playoff series in 06? Spurs were flopping like fish and fouling like they weren't raised correctly. I just don't think it happens as much as people say it does.
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  • Fair enough, we will have to agree to disagree then.
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  • hawksfansinceday1 wrote:The complaints you guys have about officiating favoring the superstars go right to the doorstep of David Stern. He has orchestrated all of the bullshit in the NBA in the name of marketing and growth. Superstars and big market teams have sold merchandise and generated ratings because IMO unlike the NFL, he didn't feel the purity of their game stood on its own. He has largely been successful in his approach, but I question the sustainability of a superstar driven league considering how the NFL got to where it is was based on parity and competition. Perhaps because there's only 5 guys on the floor at any one time the superstar driven model of he NBA will continue. I have doubts because I believe at some point people in Cleveland, Sacramento, Toronto, etc. are going to get bored as hell with the endless losing and just quit on being fans of the game and not bother to show up/watch even when LeBron comes to town.

    One thing I do know though, Stern screwed the city of Seattle mightily and for that I hope he rots in hell.

    Thank you, you said it better than I did. Like I said in the past I hope "Little Napoleon" (Stern) is the first man to ever die from a very painful and very severe case of herpes!
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  • You know who never fouled out? Wilt Chamberlain. He did that while averaging 45.8 minutes per game throughout his entire career. Was that because the league didn't call as many fouls? Or was it because Wilt was the greatest basketball player of all time? I'd say both.
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  • I stopped watching the NBA when it was more common for a flop foul call than a real foul call. Bill Lambear was one of the first and worst. His reaction was almost comical because it was so exaggerated.
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  • Kixkahn wrote:I stopped watching the NBA when it was more common for a flop foul call than a real foul call. Bill Lambear was one of the first and worst. His reaction was almost comical because it was so exaggerated.

    Karl Malone, And John Stockton were also flop artists that got away with it.
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