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Throughout Cardiffa game and for 20mins!!! After the game the fans sang in support if their coach. Owner has basically determined that the coach Mackay will get fired or leave

http://youtu.be/9j8dZT5Bpb0

20 minutes of don't sack Mackay or you will have riots on your hands

Refreshing compared to fans continuously wanting to fire the coach. Furthermore soccer fans passion will never (for both good and bad) be replicated....


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Throughout Cardiffa game and for 20mins!!! After the game the fans sang in support if their coach. Owner has basically determined that the coach Mackay will get fired or leave

http://youtu.be/9j8dZT5Bpb0

20 minutes of don't sack Mackay or you will have riots on your hands

Refreshing compared to fans continuously wanting to fire the coach. Furthermore soccer fans passion will never (for both good and bad) be replicated....


I disagree, fanatics of religion do it time and time again, Crusades are a good example. My opinion is soccer fans go way to far and many times it appears motivated beyond the game.

Certain Soccer fans have a ways to go to reach the top of the idiots scale, although it appears they will keep trying.

Great fan support and passion does not need to include beatings, firebombs, killings and threats of riots and or other forms of violence.

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Throughout Cardiffa game and for 20mins!!! After the game the fans sang in support if their coach. Owner has basically determined that the coach Mackay will get fired or leave

http://youtu.be/9j8dZT5Bpb0

20 minutes of don't sack Mackay or you will have riots on your hands

Refreshing compared to fans continuously wanting to fire the coach. Furthermore soccer fans passion will never (for both good and bad) be replicated....


I disagree, fanatics of religion do it time and time again, Crusades are a good example. My opinion is soccer fans go way to far and many times it appears motivated beyond the game.

Certain Soccer fans have a ways to go to reach the top of the idiots scale, although it appears they will keep trying.

Great fan support and passion does not need to include beatings, firebombs, killings and threats of riots and or other forms of violence.


Idiotic...these aren't fans under political and economic repression... Don't mistake the two.

Just hard working hard singing fans who belted support for club and manager


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Great display by the Cardiff fans today. The team really poured their hearts into the second half for their manager.

Shame it won't change the mind of one of the more ridiculous owners in the PL


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mikeak wrote:
Throughout Cardiffa game and for 20mins!!! After the game the fans sang in support if their coach. Owner has basically determined that the coach Mackay will get fired or leave

http://youtu.be/9j8dZT5Bpb0

20 minutes of don't sack Mackay or you will have riots on your hands

Refreshing compared to fans continuously wanting to fire the coach. Furthermore soccer fans passion will never (for both good and bad) be replicated....


I disagree, fanatics of religion do it time and time again, Crusades are a good example. My opinion is soccer fans go way to far and many times it appears motivated beyond the game.

Certain Soccer fans have a ways to go to reach the top of the idiots scale, although it appears they will keep trying.

Great fan support and passion does not need to include beatings, firebombs, killings and threats of riots and or other forms of violence.


Idiotic



I have no idea what his comments had to do with the topic at hand (Cardiffs fans position Mackay)....they are generic comments geared towards the soccer hooliganism that transpired over a decade ago...

I'm confused.

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Uncle Si wrote:
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mikeak wrote:
Throughout Cardiffa game and for 20mins!!! After the game the fans sang in support if their coach. Owner has basically determined that the coach Mackay will get fired or leave

http://youtu.be/9j8dZT5Bpb0

20 minutes of don't sack Mackay or you will have riots on your hands
Refreshing compared to fans continuously wanting to fire the coach. Furthermore soccer fans passion will never (for both good and bad) be replicated....


I disagree, fanatics of religion do it time and time again, Crusades are a good example. My opinion is soccer fans go way to far and many times it appears motivated beyond the game.

Certain Soccer fans have a ways to go to reach the top of the idiots scale, although it appears they will keep trying.

Great fan support and passion does not need to include beatings, firebombs, killings and threats of riots and or other forms of violence.


Idiotic...these aren't fans under political and economic repression... Don't mistake the two.

Just hard working hard singing fans who belted support for club and manager


So threats of riots is ok for fans?

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So threats of riots is ok for fans?



Yes.

Stating passion via rash statements is sort of what soccer fans are known for.

now when they carry out what they say they will do...then thats bad...

I mean, the Sounders fans sing a song about taking the other team, lining them up on against a wall and shooting them....

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chris98251 wrote:
Uncle Si wrote:
chris98251 wrote:
mikeak wrote:
Throughout Cardiffa game and for 20mins!!! After the game the fans sang in support if their coach. Owner has basically determined that the coach Mackay will get fired or leave

http://youtu.be/9j8dZT5Bpb0

20 minutes of don't sack Mackay or you will have riots on your hands
Refreshing compared to fans continuously wanting to fire the coach. Furthermore soccer fans passion will never (for both good and bad) be replicated....


I disagree, fanatics of religion do it time and time again, Crusades are a good example. My opinion is soccer fans go way to far and many times it appears motivated beyond the game.

Certain Soccer fans have a ways to go to reach the top of the idiots scale, although it appears they will keep trying.

Great fan support and passion does not need to include beatings, firebombs, killings and threats of riots and or other forms of violence.


Idiotic...these aren't fans under political and economic repression... Don't mistake the two.

Just hard working hard singing fans who belted support for club and manager


So threats of riots is ok for fans?


Is that really what you think is going on there?

Come on...


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mikeak wrote:
Throughout Cardiffa game and for 20mins!!! After the game the fans sang in support if their coach. Owner has basically determined that the coach Mackay will get fired or leave

http://youtu.be/9j8dZT5Bpb0

20 minutes of don't sack Mackay or you will have riots on your hands

Refreshing compared to fans continuously wanting to fire the coach. Furthermore soccer fans passion will never (for both good and bad) be replicated....


What does the Cardiff owner actually expect? I doubt they are going to do better with a different coach. The only time that has worked with mid to lower table teams is Southampton.

I think the Premiership is starting to eat itself. West Brom sack their coach who admittedly was having a bad run of form but still doing okay.

The Hull owner changing their name then the Cardiff manager changing their badge and shirt color.

I think these lower teams need to realize their level.

Mackay is quite right to sit tight and get a pay day. He's done nothing wrong and will go to another Premiership team.

As for Premiership fans- can they not come up with their own original songs and chants? Half them rip off songs Celtic fans started- that one Cardiff sang ripped off the Paddy McCourt version. Just can't get enough started with the green brigade and is used throughout now. Liverpool seem particularly bad for this.


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I traveled around in Europe watching soccer back in the early 90s. Violence was on the downward then mainly due to some very tragic events at several stadiums. You can believe what you want about the violence but in general the passion for the team is awesome to watch and simply unbelievable to be a part of. My team played Barcelona at home and we had lost 3-1 away. We still sang for 90 minutes straight and cheered as our team played a 1-1 home. We could have made it close with some open misses but that wasn't the point. The point was the fans gave it all and respected the players for giving it all on the pitch.

The fans today did the same thing. Their team just lost and they sang throughout the game and post game to show their support. This is in a world where Alabama's kicker received death threats, twitter is full of hate speech and Coaches get run out of town if they don't win now.

That video gives me the chills and I couldn't respect them more


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Throughout Cardiffa game and for 20mins!!! After the game the fans sang in support if their coach. Owner has basically determined that the coach Mackay will get fired or leave

http://youtu.be/9j8dZT5Bpb0

20 minutes of don't sack Mackay or you will have riots on your hands

Refreshing compared to fans continuously wanting to fire the coach. Furthermore soccer fans passion will never (for both good and bad) be replicated....


What does the Cardiff owner actually expect? I doubt they are going to do better with a different coach. The only time that has worked with mid to lower table teams is Southampton.

I think the Premiership is starting to eat itself. West Brom sack their coach who admittedly was having a bad run of form but still doing okay.

The Hull owner changing their name then the Cardiff manager changing their badge and shirt color.

I think these lower teams need to realize their level.

Mackay is quite right to sit tight and get a pay day. He's done nothing wrong and will go to another Premiership team.

As for Premiership fans- can they not come up with their own original songs and chants? Half them rip off songs Celtic fans started- that one Cardiff sang ripped off the Paddy McCourt version. Just can't get enough started with the green brigade and is used throughout now. Liverpool seem particularly bad for this.


ffs wise up wee lad. Celtic fans - always the victim. Just like your sad wee club up there. Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

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I have read a lot of stories of Hooliganism and violence that are associated with soccer even recently. I don't think you need that in support of a sport anymore then going on riots for losing and winning in the NFL,NBA,MLB and NHL or any college level Championship.

That not team support in my book, nor is any of the stabbings and acts of violence and assault that are going on in American Football stadiums currently.

Police detain 19 involved in Brazil fan violence

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/12/19/3 ... rylink=cpy

Soccer violence: Referees under siege
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/14/sport/football/referee-violence-spain-football/index.html

Violence on the Field: History's Worst Sports Riots

http://www.livescience.com/18285-egypt-soccer-riots-worst-history.html

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If you were reading about hooliganism, or even if you actually read the articles you linked, you would have surely come to the conclusion that nearly all if these acts are reflections of gang/sectional/social/racial/religious conflicts. The football team is merely the identifier.

To compare the cultural conflict that led to the Egyptian disaster to Cardiff fans cheering their manager off is ludicrous and lacks even a basic understanding of hooliganism.

We can keep going (the cultural rights battles bring the under current of the Spanish riot.... The political repression in Brazil)


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Throughout Cardiffa game and for 20mins!!! After the game the fans sang in support if their coach. Owner has basically determined that the coach Mackay will get fired or leave

http://youtu.be/9j8dZT5Bpb0

20 minutes of don't sack Mackay or you will have riots on your hands

Refreshing compared to fans continuously wanting to fire the coach. Furthermore soccer fans passion will never (for both good and bad) be replicated....


What does the Cardiff owner actually expect? I doubt they are going to do better with a different coach. The only time that has worked with mid to lower table teams is Southampton.

I think the Premiership is starting to eat itself. West Brom sack their coach who admittedly was having a bad run of form but still doing okay.

The Hull owner changing their name then the Cardiff manager changing their badge and shirt color.

I think these lower teams need to realize their level.

Mackay is quite right to sit tight and get a pay day. He's done nothing wrong and will go to another Premiership team.

As for Premiership fans- can they not come up with their own original songs and chants? Half them rip off songs Celtic fans started- that one Cardiff sang ripped off the Paddy McCourt version. Just can't get enough started with the green brigade and is used throughout now. Liverpool seem particularly bad for this.


ffs wise up wee lad. Celtic fans - always the victim. Just like your sad wee club up there. Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

Big Jock knew.


Always the victim lmao Very rich coming from a Liverpool fan! Your team has had nothing but excuses for the last 20 years. Just look at the Suarez incident.

I actually don't mind Liverpool fans though, always been a good bunch when playing Celtic. Newcastle fans by far the worst.


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So Cardiff fans shouldn't care because they're a small cub? You weren't a Seahawk fan in the 90s were you...


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So Cardiff fans shouldn't care because they're a small cub? You weren't a Seahawk fan in the 90s were you...


Comparing chalk and cheese. In American sports you always have a chance of being top dog with drafts and salary caps. Not really the case in European football unless you do a Chelsea or City and spunk billions at it. The best Cardiff can hope for is being an Everton type club but they'll never be as big as Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utds of the world. Heck im skeptical about Chelsea's place at the top once Ibramovich leaves.

It's not unreasonable to think that this year for Cardiff was about survival then next year being able to build on that. Mackay could have done that but their manager has no idea how to run a club. He gave Mackay a budget but didn't remember to include wages.


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So Cardiff fans shouldn't care because they're a small cub? You weren't a Seahawk fan in the 90s were you...


Comparing chalk and cheese. In American sports you always have a chance of being top dog with drafts and salary caps. Not really the case in European football unless you do a Chelsea or City and spunk billions at it. The best Cardiff can hope for is being an Everton type club but they'll never be as big as Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utds of the world. Heck im skeptical about Chelsea's place at the top once Ibramovich leaves.

It's not unreasonable to think that this year for Cardiff was about survival then next year being able to build on that. Mackay could have done that but their manager has no idea how to run a club. He gave Mackay a budget but didn't remember to include wages.


Still doesn't explain why the fans shouldn't care.. "Know their place" as you put it

I agree with you about Tan...but this is about the Cardiff fans singing at their owner pleading to keep a manager


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So Cardiff fans shouldn't care because they're a small cub? You weren't a Seahawk fan in the 90s were you...


Comparing chalk and cheese. In American sports you always have a chance of being top dog with drafts and salary caps. Not really the case in European football unless you do a Chelsea or City and spunk billions at it. The best Cardiff can hope for is being an Everton type club but they'll never be as big as Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utds of the world. Heck im skeptical about Chelsea's place at the top once Ibramovich leaves.

It's not unreasonable to think that this year for Cardiff was about survival then next year being able to build on that. Mackay could have done that but their manager has no idea how to run a club. He gave Mackay a budget but didn't remember to include wages.


Still doesn't explain why the fans shouldn't care.. "Know their place" as you put it


Will you ever hear a Hull fan say "This is our year boys!". You will in the Championship I guess. What I said is probably more aimed at the owners who panic at this time of year but some fans have unrealistic expectations. Go on the Newcastle forums. For a team who have essentially won nothing they act like they have won the league and Champions league numerous times.


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Geordie fans gave their reasons. They believe Newcastle should be there with Spurs at the least.

But again, this was about Cardiff. You can passionately support a team with sights on promotion as much as one looking to top 4...


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If you were reading about hooliganism, or even if you actually read the articles you linked, you would have surely come to the conclusion that nearly all if these acts are reflections of gang/sectional/social/racial/religious conflicts. The football team is merely the identifier.

To compare the cultural conflict that led to the Egyptian disaster to Cardiff fans cheering their manager off is ludicrous and lacks even a basic understanding of hooliganism.

We can keep going (the cultural rights battles bring the under current of the Spanish riot.... The political repression in Brazil)


This X1000


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I guess if there is an incident during a Soccer match or any other sport then it's every other reason other then fan responsibility. Got ya.

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I guess if there is an incident during a Soccer match or any other sport then it's every other reason other then fan responsibility. Got ya.


Fan responsibility is not the issue...
Saying the sport is the cause is..


Look if you think rioting in an Egyptian soccer stadium as part of a purge of religious conflict, or the battles between Celtic and Ranger fans are similar to Cardiff fans singing at their owner then sure...go on.

Just look a bit deeper is all..


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I guess if there is an incident during a Soccer match or any other sport then it's every other reason other then fan responsibility. Got ya.


Fan responsibility is not the issue...
Saying the sport is the cause is..


Look if you think rioting in an Egyptian soccer stadium as part of a purge of religious conflict, or the battles between Celtic and Ranger fans are similar to Cardiff fans singing at their owner then sure...go on.

Just look a bit deeper is all..


There are no battles between Celtic and Rangers fans in the stadium. There was once in 1980 and they banned alcohol in the stadium after it. Games are well policed. Outside the stadium in rougher parts of town, at the wrong time is where the trouble happens.


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Before I come to the UK I was weary of football violence. I have since been to at least 50 games in a variety of stadiums and never encountered any violence or even been threatened. Part of that is because the fans are separated, but, thst said, in Stoke and Fulham, for example, my friends and I were able to drink with opposing fans in the opposing fans' pubs while wearing our Spurs shirts and had a great time. The reactions to the violence of the 80s have made English grounds very safe. I have seen worse at rugby games in New Zealand and frequently hear of much worse at NFL games. Heck, 4 people were stabbed last week at a game,weren't they?

There are certain places I wouldn't go to support Spurs: Rome being an example. But, without doing any research, I'd guess that the UK, Germany, France, Spain, Portugal can go for seasons, if not decades, with barely an incident.

As Glasgow says, violence in the stadium is almost unheard of.


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My point is that a lot of the violence associated with soccer matches aren't necessarily about the sport. The teams become symbols of deeper social/cultural identifiers...the games opportunities to pitch battle.

I know where chris is coming from... Just don't see the Cardiff fans as a reflection of those deeper issues


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I'll say this and leave it at that, people using sports to promote a political or social statement because of the audience involved whether it's a violent riot or a group of people on the podium of a Olympic event are grandstanding and it doesn't belong there. If the cause your promoting is one that is important the people know about it, especially in this day and age of overwhelming media and communication. Too many innocent people are hurt with the staging of these demonstrations for a cause they have nothing to do with.

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I'll say this and leave it at that, people using sports to promote a political or social statement because of the audience involved whether it's a violent riot or a group of people on the podium of a Olympic event are grandstanding and it doesn't belong there. If the cause your promoting is one that is important the people know about it, especially in this day and age of overwhelming media and communication. Too many innocent people are hurt with the staging of these demonstrations for a cause they have nothing to do with.



No argument here Chris.... Its a social phenomenon... And soccer has a history of it, some of which you have read. Its really quite fascinating.

The Cardiff fans are just hard working Welsh folk supporting their small club and its manager in song against a foreign owner.

Not a fair comparison to what you're alluding to. But yes it does exist... Politics, race, religion, economics all have been battled about at the expense of a soccer match. We've been lucky in the US.


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Vincent Tan is a total loon. Literally a guy who has acquired a new toy that he doesn't know how to use. This is the problem with obscure owners that no one really knows about - the exact same can be said for the Blackburn Rovers owners (Venkys).


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I bet Cardiff fans weren't complaining when they got a new stadium and promoted to the PL. I remember them playing at Ninian Park in front of 5k and they were always a nasty bunch. Sod em.


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So threats of riots is ok for fans?



Yes.

Stating passion via rash statements is sort of what soccer fans are known for.

now when they carry out what they say they will do...then thats bad...

I mean, the Sounders fans sing a song about taking the other team, lining them up on against a wall and shooting them....


I agree with Smurf on this. A lot of clubs supporters have chants that aren't exactly "PG".


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Vincent Tan is a total loon. Literally a guy who has acquired a new toy that he doesn't know how to use. This is the problem with obscure owners that no one really knows about - the exact same can be said for the Blackburn Rovers owners (Venkys).


Vincent Tan seems to think he knows what he's doing, but he really doesn't. I'd say he's acting like a retarded monkey. Who changes an entire image of a club because he doesn't like the way it looked before? He changed the badge to have a dragon, cause he claimed it would be lucky. He changed the club's primary kit color to red, cause he thought it'd be lucky. And recently there was a rumor that he only wants to bring in players who's birth year has an 8 in it, cause he thinks it's lucky. I swear it seems like Tan is using fortune cookies to run this club.


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