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  • This contract will look terrible in 5 years, but who cares? The M's needed to do something like this. They now have an elite player to build around on Offense at a position where offense is hard to come by.

    Cano will probably be traded when he's 35 or 36 in a salary dump. Until that time, the Mariners are unquestionably better.

    At least the money won't just be wasted on guys like Ibanez, Morse, and Joe Saunders before the M's will call it a day.
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  • Congrats on getting the guy they wanted. He produced when the other star players in NY were not on the field much.

    Lets hope this helps change our losing ways.
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  • HawkFan72 wrote:This contract will look terrible in 5 years, but who cares? The M's needed to do something like this. They now have an elite player to build around on Offense at a position where offense is hard to come by.

    Cano will probably be traded when he's 35 or 36 in a salary dump. Until that time, the Mariners are unquestionably better.

    At least the money won't just be wasted on guys like Ibanez, Morse, and Joe Saunders before the M's will call it a day.


    Thats the biggie tho, in 5 years it'll be a 120 million 5 year dead weight ball and chain, stopping us from doing other things.
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  • akscoundrel wrote:
    want to know the change I want to see? Developing players, and actually keeping them when them become really good!


    name one piece of developing talent that we have lost by signing Cano?

    By signing Cano it shows me that "maybe" the team is going to be willing to pay developing talent when the time comes, why would they make a splash like this if they were not trying to commit to win? They could have easily said hey we signed Willie Bloomquist and run business as usual and put the same team out there and pocket the profit.

    BTW Seattle was 2nd in the league in homers last year with no big stick
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  • akscoundrel wrote:
    HawkFan72 wrote:This contract will look terrible in 5 years, but who cares? The M's needed to do something like this. They now have an elite player to build around on Offense at a position where offense is hard to come by.

    Cano will probably be traded when he's 35 or 36 in a salary dump. Until that time, the Mariners are unquestionably better.

    At least the money won't just be wasted on guys like Ibanez, Morse, and Joe Saunders before the M's will call it a day.


    Thats the biggie tho, in 5 years it'll be a 120 million 5 year dead weight ball and chain, stopping us from doing other things.


    The Angels dumped Vernon Wells. The Tigers dumped Prince Fielder.

    It's not as hard as you think.
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  • dopeboy206 wrote:
    dontbelikethat wrote:Cano to M's, Peterson to UW...crazy day


    I might just hop back on the m's bandwagon lol

    There is no bandwagon....just a dead horse.
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  • Comment I saw about this deal:

    "Lets just all enjoy the moment when a player cared more about the money than being a Yankee."

    So good.
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  • HawkFan72 wrote:
    akscoundrel wrote:
    HawkFan72 wrote:This contract will look terrible in 5 years, but who cares? The M's needed to do something like this. They now have an elite player to build around on Offense at a position where offense is hard to come by.

    Cano will probably be traded when he's 35 or 36 in a salary dump. Until that time, the Mariners are unquestionably better.

    At least the money won't just be wasted on guys like Ibanez, Morse, and Joe Saunders before the M's will call it a day.


    Thats the biggie tho, in 5 years it'll be a 120 million 5 year dead weight ball and chain, stopping us from doing other things.


    The Angels dumped Vernon Wells. The Tigers dumped Prince Fielder.

    It's not as hard as you think.


    *depending on the language of the contract. I'm guessing the contract is in cano's favor.
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  • I woke up to see this, and then I see that y'all got Petersen too?! This is AWESOME.

    Not that I think the Cano contract is smart - I just hope he's still elite for three years, very good for two years after that, and good for two years after that before dropping off a cliff - but it is exciting. Maybe the Ms trade for Matt Kemp and James Shields and sign Shin Soo Choo too and they can actually make the damn playoffs.
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  • The best part of this is that this is done before the Winter Meetings. The M's can go all-out on the deals they want to make knowing full-well what their budget is with Cano.

    Rather than be tentative and making low-ball offers because they have no idea of what Cano will end of costing.

    The timing of this helps the M's big-time.
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  • With this contract-

    "The Mariners cleared about $35 million off their books when contracts for veterans Franklin Gutierrez, Joe Saunders, Michael Morse, Kendrys Morales, Raul Ibanez and Chone Figgins expired.."-Greg Johns / MLB.com

    They are still under last years 90 million payroll?- Than to me its a win. Now lets go spend more than 125 million.
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  • Maybe i'll be able to watch an at bat without taking a nap. Havnt been able to do that since Ichiro was in his prime five years ago or so.
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  • WTF?

    Hell, I'm in! Its not my money. We havent dumped a single promising young player and seem to be in for a couple more.

    Whatever brings some relevancy back to this market. Lets just do it. No more treating this thing like nurturing a sick horse... just buy a new one and put it to work
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  • m0ng0 wrote:name one piece of developing talent that we have lost by signing Cano?


    Its only been how many minutes since we signed cano? And you're gonna ask this as if to prove a point? You could be right, and it all works out(I hope so), but looking back we will all probably be saying (well, the writing WAS on the wall).

    I'm more so looking in the future when we can't sign the next arod because our budgets maxed.
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  • akscoundrel wrote:
    m0ng0 wrote:name one piece of developing talent that we have lost by signing Cano?


    Its only been how many minutes since we signed cano? And you're gonna ask this as if to prove a point? You could be right, and it all works out(I hope so), but looking back we will all probably be saying (well, the writing WAS on the wall).

    I'm more so looking in the future when we can't sign the next arod because our budgets maxed.


    You think we have or will have the next ARod somewhere in our organization? lol
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  • akscoundrel wrote:
    m0ng0 wrote:name one piece of developing talent that we have lost by signing Cano?


    Its only been how many minutes since we signed cano? And you're gonna ask this as if to prove a point? You could be right, and it all works out(I hope so), but looking back we will all probably be saying (well, the writing WAS on the wall).

    I'm more so looking in the future when we can't sign the next arod because our budgets maxed.



    seriously though... we've been waiting around for 5 years for them to develop an All-star. They traded both away (Adam Jones and then Pineda). That philosophy has been replaced by this one. Now we have all the youth talent our organization has developed and one of the best hitters in baseball...
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  • HawkFan72 wrote:
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    m0ng0 wrote:name one piece of developing talent that we have lost by signing Cano?


    Its only been how many minutes since we signed cano? And you're gonna ask this as if to prove a point? You could be right, and it all works out(I hope so), but looking back we will all probably be saying (well, the writing WAS on the wall).

    I'm more so looking in the future when we can't sign the next arod because our budgets maxed.


    You think we have or will have the next ARod somewhere in our organization? lol


    Oh, so we're pretending that its never happened, nor can ever happen again?
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  • IMO, this has a grenade's chance of blowing up. Not because Cano is awful, career 309 hitter at Safeco. No, it's because I have an inherent mistrust of general managers who make a big splash to try and save their job. And make no mistake, Z's job is on the line.
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  • lets get russell wilson to play for the m's during the nfl offseason ;)
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  • akscoundrel wrote:
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    m0ng0 wrote:name one piece of developing talent that we have lost by signing Cano?


    Its only been how many minutes since we signed cano? And you're gonna ask this as if to prove a point? You could be right, and it all works out(I hope so), but looking back we will all probably be saying (well, the writing WAS on the wall).

    I'm more so looking in the future when we can't sign the next arod because our budgets maxed.


    You think we have or will have the next ARod somewhere in our organization? lol


    Oh, so we're pretending that its never happened, nor can ever happen again?


    I'm not pretending it didn't happen, I'm just not going to assume we'll have someone with that much talent in our farm system again in the next 10 years.

    The Mariners offered ARod near $100 million, which at the time was a gigantic contract. The Rangers just went insane. Think about it. They offered ARod a deal that is normal NOW for the games best stars...over 12 YEARS ago. They WAY overpayed. That would be like us giving Cano a $400 million contract today if you want to compare the situations.
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  • This team has basically two big contracts and a bunch of peanuts around them. They actually can go spend another 50M and only have 110M in payroll or so.

    Nick Franklin is getting traded, that's for sure. I'm hoping they sign Choo and trade for an outfielder (not Kemp), then trade more pieces for Price.

    That would mean your opening day Ms look like:

    C: Zunino
    1B: Choo
    2B: Cano
    3B: Seager
    SS: Miller
    LF: ?
    CF: ?
    RF: ?
    DH: ? (They seem to be chasing Napoli, and Morales isn't out of the question either)

    SP: King Felix
    SP: Price
    SP: Iwakuma
    SP: ? (Paxton, maybe?)
    SP: ?

    Not terrible. If we have to give up Walker, Franklin, Wilhelmsen, and Ackley in some combination to get Shields and an OF here, why the hell not? They're trying to win now, which should at least be interesting. I hated this move initially, but if we're going to do it, let's do it right.
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  • Price is younger and a lefty, but depending on what we would be forced to give up I would be good with either.....

    **also I don't see Willie in that starting lineup ** :D
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  • Outfield is a mess. They need to improve that before even thinking of trading for Price.
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  • HawkFan72 wrote:
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    Its only been how many minutes since we signed cano? And you're gonna ask this as if to prove a point? You could be right, and it all works out(I hope so), but looking back we will all probably be saying (well, the writing WAS on the wall).

    I'm more so looking in the future when we can't sign the next arod because our budgets maxed.


    You think we have or will have the next ARod somewhere in our organization? lol


    Oh, so we're pretending that its never happened, nor can ever happen again?


    I'm not pretending it didn't happen, I'm just not going to assume we'll have someone with that much talent in our farm system again in the next 10 years.

    The Mariners offered ARod near $100 million, which at the time was a gigantic contract. The Rangers just went insane. Think about it. They offered ARod a deal that is normal NOW for the games best stars...over 12 YEARS ago. They WAY overpayed. That would be like us giving Cano a $400 million contract today if you want to compare the situations.


    Its the way of the world, talent is continually growing up and getting signed. Arod isnt even the most recent, but Felix Hernandez.

    Yes the rangers went insane about it, but atleast arod was young(er) with his best years ahead of him. Its kinda hard to compare the two contracts because of different times, factors such as age and whatnot, but imo we just went as obnoxious with the cano contract. Think about this; we just spent more than the biggest spenders in baseball were willing to pay. And he's not a young talent with his best years ahead of him.

    All in all, I hope it works out. I just know history is against us, and can see the writing on the wall. I understand the optimism, and realize that we'd all be willing to crawl through a pile of poop just for a sliver of success at this point.
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  • Actually, screw Price. We should try to get Tanaka.
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  • Tanaka is a crap shoot, no way to know how his "stuff" translates to the MLB, but yeah thats an option to explore as well.
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  • m0ng0 wrote:Tanaka is a crap shoot, no way to know how his "stuff" translates to the MLB, but yeah thats an option to explore as well.


    Fair point, but pitchers are a crap shoot in general just because their arms go out suddenly and without warning.

    If we could run out Felix, Tanaka, Iwakuma, Walker, and Paxton next year, my pants would be sticky for 162 games.
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  • yep I agree, but to quote oh brother where art thou.....Shields and Price are bonafide
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  • People cry and bitch the Mariners don't spend money, then when they do, they cry and bitch it's too much and a waste. What the hell do they want? Justin Smoak batting cleanup again? Clowns like Miguel Olivo in the middle of the order? Get over yourselves. They went out and got the biggest Free Agent hitter available, give them some credit.
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  • Seaswab wrote:People cry and bitch the Mariners don't spend money, then when they do, they cry and bitch it's too much and a waste. What the hell do they want? Justin Smoak batting cleanup again? Clowns like Miguel Olivo in the middle of the order? Get over yourselves. They went out and got the biggest Free Agent hitter available, give them some credit.


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  • I basically am at the point where I feel as though developing young players didn't work out, the nifty trades for undervalued guys like Gutierrez unfortunately did not work out, and the pieces at a modest price did not work out, so eff it, just break the bank and see what happens. They just got their new TV deal, so they have the money. Without stuff like this, they are aiming for being the fifth-most popular pro team in the city once the Nu-Sonics and hockey team are here in the next few years. They are well aware that the Seahawks and Sounders are smoking them.

    It was spend to become relevant and try to win now or banish themselves to irrelevance, so at least they did the former.
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  • It cracks me up when people whine about money spent. It is market value and in this case more than market value. They needed to make this move to at least try and get the M's back to a playoff series. I am happy for M's fans.
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  • Largent80 wrote:It cracks me up when people whine about money spent. It is market value and in this case more than market value. They needed to make this move to at least try and get the M's back to a playoff series. I am happy for M's fans.


    Again I agree supplementing the roster with select FA is necessary, just big contracts for a player for 10 years that will give you a return typically for 3 maybe 4 isn't a great idea.

    Also playoffs, a winning season would be a good start.
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  • Seaswab wrote:People cry and bitch the Mariners don't spend money, then when they do, they cry and bitch it's too much and a waste. What the hell do they want? Justin Smoak batting cleanup again? Clowns like Miguel Olivo in the middle of the order? Get over yourselves. They went out and got the biggest Free Agent hitter available, give them some credit.



    it is a bit unnerving though... i mean its a big contract, and as ak said, history is against us.

    I just love the intent
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  • Seaswab wrote:People cry and bitch the Mariners don't spend money, then when they do, they cry and bitch it's too much and a waste. What the hell do they want? Justin Smoak batting cleanup again? Clowns like Miguel Olivo in the middle of the order? Get over yourselves. They went out and got the biggest Free Agent hitter available, give them some credit.


    Yep. Some people will never be happy. Oh well.

    This is a huge get for the M's and I'm stoked about it.
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  • Chris, fair point, but I think that we couldn't even get select FA to come here at this point. They needed to do something to get FA to think that coming here, at the worst, will get you paid. We have to get them on the damn plane.

    I think it's a wobbly argument to say that the value of this contract goes beyond Cano's WAR every year, but I'm going to make it anyway.
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  • Seaswab wrote:How many 25 year old free agents are available? Tick , tock, tick, tock......


    Oh I agree they are harder to come by, but thats where scouts and GM's are suppose to earn their money, these guys in AAA waiting for a Cano to leave to be called up are the guys we want to target. We have whiffed badly in that regard. But that is what makes teams great having people that can see those players and build a sustained competitor.
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  • Largent80 wrote:It cracks me up when people whine about money spent. It is market value and in this case more than market value. They needed to make this move to at least try and get the M's back to a playoff series. I am happy for M's fans.



    (and... and please keep this a secret... its not OUR money... ssshhhhhh)
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  • Great first step, need to follow it up with other good moves. Being such a long deal it will bite them in the end, but almost 10 years of pretty much self induced epic failure they pretty much painted themselves into a corner and had to make a move like this+.

    The other sweet thing is it takes a superstar away from the yankers. :th2thumbs:
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    Largent80 wrote:It cracks me up when people whine about money spent. It is market value and in this case more than market value. They needed to make this move to at least try and get the M's back to a playoff series. I am happy for M's fans.



    (and... and please keep this a secret... its not OUR money... ssshhhhhh)

    good point. I think folks forget that at times.
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  • Well it's not our money, what people get pissed about is when they can't resign good players because of over extending themselves on contracts for player that are not contributing. Cano at 39 won't be swinging the bat as well as he is now and still be tieing up salary, say we have a stud 3rd baseman and we let him go to someplace else due to money. Thats what pisses off fanbases.
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  • chris98251 wrote:Well it's not our money, what people get pissed about is when they can't resign good players because of over extending themselves on contracts for player that are not contributing. Cano at 39 won't be swinging the bat as well as he is now and still be tieing up salary, say we have a stud 3rd baseman and we let him go to someplace else due to money. Thats what pisses off fanbases.


    Exactly. I have never understood the "Well, it's not your money" argument. We care because a bad contract restricts a team's opportunities to get better down the road by taking up the budget. It's not hard to understand, folks.
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  • chris98251 wrote:Well it's not our money, what people get pissed about is when they can't resign good players because of over extending themselves on contracts for player that are not contributing. Cano at 39 won't be swinging the bat as well as he is now and still be tieing up salary, say we have a stud 3rd baseman and we let him go to someplace else due to money. Thats what pisses off fanbases.


    Until they come up to be resigned we don't know that is the case at all, they inked Cano and are rumored to be looking at others, its almost like they have been waiting for this tv money to come through and are now opening up their wallet a little bit. Besides that we got the swiss army knife Willie Bloomquist nothing shows wanting to win more then that :D
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  • Seaswab wrote:People cry and bitch the Mariners don't spend money, then when they do, they cry and bitch it's too much and a waste. What the hell do they want? Justin Smoak batting cleanup again? Clowns like Miguel Olivo in the middle of the order? Get over yourselves. They went out and got the biggest Free Agent hitter available, give them some credit.


    Well said sir.
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