Uncle Si wrote:I dont see the jabs Smurf. I havent called anyone names. Theres is an element of Gate in this thread though...
"Portland is playing an innovative system"---Portland lost...Portland causes cancer and steals money from church boxes.
"Sporting has a very organized structure for development"----they just foul....
I mean come on
MLS teams will have or already do have 7 and 8 Smurf. The PDL at this point serves as the MLS academy/reserve league (for its older players, the DA still serves for youth leagues. There are currently upwards of 56 teams in the PDL. Nearly double of 4 years ago). The use of the DA and PDL very much mirrors the standard set up in England. Note that this isnt new. The Sounders DA is 5 years old at least. The USL will serve as junior pro league if you will. Like arena football league, or more like the semi pro baseball teams (not minor leagues). If the MLS drew more talented players they would all associate with these teams. Truth is the USL (and NASL) doesn't offer much of a resource yet.
3. Really? So Portlands off the table (Gate?) I doubt Sounders FC management shares your disdain.
4....that's a bit naive. But you're welcome to your opinion. Europe is coming (hell, they're here). The relationship if embraced can only help progress the game in this nation. It needs to be looked at from a national perspective in my mind and not just a club one.
I'd like to elaborate on this as i see this as why the Sigi thing really bothers me. I will say this, European and South American clubs are investing time, money, coaches and players into the MLS in a hopes that this league can stand as another resource for the world's best leagues. This isnt a bad thing. While the US may lose a dozen or so players a year in this relationship, what it gets back is exponential. City and Chelsea, for example, recently sent a couple highly touted youth players to the MLS as "loanees". They are playing at clubs in which their is already a coaching and developmental relationship. P*%!land is one of the clubs that embraces this (and I'm sure Caleb Porter is a main reason why). These players will help bring up the game at those clubs around them. As more of these players come over, the better the game gets. More competition, means more urgency at our youth levels. I think you would all be astonished at the level of coaching going on from u8-16. But, the gap in talent is massive.
Its interesting that you view Bradley as the biggest move the MLS has ever made. I find it endemic of this same antiquated approach to the game as I do keeping Sigi around. Bradley epitomizes US Soccer. He may be our best current product. He's industrious, hard working, "dug in".... but he lacks the same technical abilities that a Jordan Henderson, Jack Wilshere, Ross Barkley (English players who fill the same role as Bradley in Englands side). In fact, he's not close. Bradley represents both the success and failure of the US set up. Dempsey is our most technical player, and is nowhere near the level of his European counterparts. He's had a couple nice goal scoring years with Fulham, very true. But this nations soccer programs have yet to develop a world class player. watching our best slink back home is somewhat defeating, especially with a World cup approaching.
It will be very interesting to watch us with Germany and Portugal. Germany's youth development surpassed even the Spanish over the last 8 years. This is their golden generation(s). I look forward to watching us try and compete with them. Heck, they have players like Max Meyer, Draxler, Goetze who at 18, 20 and 21 are already light years ahead of any dynamic player this nation has ever produced. Ony Goetze would be considered for the first 11 in Germany, such is the depth of their program.
anyways... i hope my angst towards Sigi makes sense. I guess I use his approach as a reflection of the same staleness I feel soccer in this country needs to move away from. We've had 30 years of the same and seemed content with its rewards. however, the investment in the youth programs require a vastly different approach at the Senior levels, or we are just wasting our time.
Said Jabs didn't come in the form of insults...How you've ended your last 5 or so posts have been along the same lines...and I get it, you're frustrated because you don't think people are listening to your completely valid points.
USA Soccer as a whole. For the most part you're right. We aren't on par with other countries youth development systems. But we are getting there....it just appears to be slower than you'd like...which may be a byproduct of how long you've been personally pushing for such development of the system. You see the progress, you just want it to move faster, and with your experience you see a general pattern in which it needs to be done to ensure success. That's what I've taken from the "Broad US Soccer" conversation from you. You see the progression. You like it. It's slower than you'd hoped.
For me, I would take Bradley over Barkley everyday of the week...Henderson most days...and not even close on Wilshere. But thats just me.
Yeah, when it comes to Portland, I am Gate. Yep. 100% I'll admit to it. You should know that by now.
I guess Overall I see your point.
Sigi is Old world MLS living in new world MLS and is, in your opinion, holding back one of the biggest clubs in the league from future success...and while he's at it he is also hindering the development of our youth system.
It's not happening fast enough.
Did i get that right?