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  • Smurf wrote:Sounders signed Trailist Michael Azira today. http://www.sounderatheart.com/2014/3/6/ ... hael-azira


    Sigi Defends Dempsey: "He's under a lot of pressure, and I think everyone needs to back off. ... It's unfair."


    http://blogs.seattletimes.com/soundersf ... ittle-bit/


    Dempsey has been playing like a muppet.. i've been more invested in picking up dog crap from my yard then he was in yesterdays match with the Ukraine. he needs a pull

    anyways Smurf.. i can no longer support the Sounders (atleast next weekend) as my club is now affiliated with Sporting. we might take my 14s down for a scrimmage and take in the match however

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  • Uncle Si wrote:
    Smurf wrote:Sounders signed Trailist Michael Azira today. http://www.sounderatheart.com/2014/3/6/ ... hael-azira


    Sigi Defends Dempsey: "He's under a lot of pressure, and I think everyone needs to back off. ... It's unfair."


    http://blogs.seattletimes.com/soundersf ... ittle-bit/


    Dempsey has been playing like a muppet.. i've been more invested in picking up dog crap from my yard then he was in yesterdays match with the Ukraine. he needs a pull

    anyways Smurf.. i can no longer support the Sounders (atleast next weekend) as my club is now affiliated with Sporting. we might take my 14s down for a scrimmage and take in the match however

    http://www.stcroixsoccer.org/

    sorry



    so you're a bandwagoner....just ditching your club and picking up the latest one to win the championship eh?
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  • Smurf wrote:Gone are the days of Hurtado, Parke, and Ianni.

    That one statement makes me all kinds of happy. :mrgreen:
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  • SeatownJay wrote:
    Smurf wrote:Gone are the days of Hurtado, Parke, and Ianni.

    That one statement makes me all kinds of happy. :mrgreen:



    I added it just for you Jay. :P
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  • Smurf wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    Smurf wrote:Sounders signed Trailist Michael Azira today. http://www.sounderatheart.com/2014/3/6/ ... hael-azira


    Sigi Defends Dempsey: "He's under a lot of pressure, and I think everyone needs to back off. ... It's unfair."


    http://blogs.seattletimes.com/soundersf ... ittle-bit/


    Dempsey has been playing like a muppet.. i've been more invested in picking up dog crap from my yard then he was in yesterdays match with the Ukraine. he needs a pull

    anyways Smurf.. i can no longer support the Sounders (atleast next weekend) as my club is now affiliated with Sporting. we might take my 14s down for a scrimmage and take in the match however

    http://www.stcroixsoccer.org/

    sorry



    so you're a bandwagoner....just ditching your club and picking up the latest one to win the championship eh?


    I mean I kinda work for them now
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    I mean I kinda work for them now



    So? You don't have to be a fan of what you work for....like it helps....but its not necessary.
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  • Regular season starts in just a few minutes against Sporting KC.
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  • I'm liking Frei so far.
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  • I'll take it!!
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  • razgriz737 wrote:I'm liking Frei so far.

    He had a couple of spills but that could be because of the rain. There appeared to be some miscommunication between all the new players at times, too. Still, it's nice to start the season with a win. Fifth time Seattle has scored the game winner in stoppage time against Sporting KC according to the announcers.
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  • I would definitely like to see more of Okoli. From what little he played, he looks promising.
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  • I liked what I saw today, given that Kansas are the champions. First games are always scrappy affairs. I think if Pappa, Evans, Ozzie and Dempsey can have a consistent run together we'll be fine. Wasn't Neagles best game but I know what he is capable of. If Dempsey starts I would like to see Evans on the right.

    Goals will come eventually even if Kenny Cooper is a big carthorse.

    Frei had some shaky moments but with a run of clean sheets under his belt he'll be fine. Remick did fine and seems to be the future at left back.

    Consistency is key. Need a solid starting eleven week in and out. No more tinkering like last season where Andy Rose will suddenly get thrown in for a run of games. This caused a lack of chemistry and made us look like a team of individuals last year. Only change the line up if players are out or tired.
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  • Great start to the season. Will take the three points earned with mere seconds left to play.
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  • 75th minute...we had just finished singing Sounders Til I Die. I turn and look at my best friend and say: "I just realized we are playing Kansas City. Nothing's going to happen til late, and then we'll win in stoppage time."


    Its just history.

    Mike Fucito, Jeff Parke, Lamar Neagle (Mauro Rosales tied it minutes earlier), Djimi Traore and now Chad Barrett.


    We've done it to that club 5 times in the last 4 seasons.


    Simply awesome.


    Stefan Frei played exactly like I expect. Strong hands, push a lot of ball wide.

    Yedlin for me was the best player on the pitch today. The kid is incredible. His first touch let him down a few times but other than that he was magnificent.

    Marshall and Traore had good chemistry. Traore covered for Marshall and allowed Marshall to be aggressive and make plays on the ball.

    Remick was solid. Did pretty well for his first start. Didn't make too many mistakes.

    Thought we were decent in the midfield. Pappa, Evans and Alonso clearly weren't on the same page at times. But that'll come with time.

    Cooper showed some promise to me. He took chances I want a striker to take.

    Dempsey will be fine. He's gonna start coming into it here in the next game or 2.

    Really liked what I saw from Okoli. Want to see more. Good things happen when he's on the pitch.
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  • Good to start with a win. Just an observation of Obafemi Martins. It seems that he tends to ball watch too much. Unless the ball is kicked right to him, he doesn't seem to run to the ball. It's got to be placed on a silver platter for him. I've noticed this repeatedly in his game, last season and also the first game this season. I guess it may be his style but when you Neagle chase after everything, you wish others would do that too. I wish Martins' had Neagle's hustle or Neagle had Martins' talent.
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  • hawkfan68 wrote:Good to start with a win. Just an observation of Obafemi Martins. It seems that he tends to ball watch too much. Unless the ball is kicked right to him, he doesn't seem to run to the ball. It's got to be placed on a silver platter for him. I've noticed this repeatedly in his game, last season and also the first game this season. I guess it may be his style but when you Neagle chase after everything, you wish others would do that too. I wish Martins' had Neagle's hustle or Neagle had Martins' talent.



    I disagree with your assessment almost entirely. I would almost go as far as to commend Martins for the balls he chases....especially defensively.
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  • Agreed Smurf. That comment was so off-base that I declined to reply. Weird to accuse Martins of not running to a ball.
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  • Smurf wrote:
    hawkfan68 wrote:Good to start with a win. Just an observation of Obafemi Martins. It seems that he tends to ball watch too much. Unless the ball is kicked right to him, he doesn't seem to run to the ball. It's got to be placed on a silver platter for him. I've noticed this repeatedly in his game, last season and also the first game this season. I guess it may be his style but when you Neagle chase after everything, you wish others would do that too. I wish Martins' had Neagle's hustle or Neagle had Martins' talent.



    I disagree with your assessment almost entirely. I would almost go as far as to commend Martins for the balls he chases....especially defensively.


    I rewatched the game again. I don't know what I saw the first time but I was off about Martins. There are times where he seems showing little effort but not as much as I made it out to be. He's a very good player, no doubt about it. Thanks Smurf and Curry for setting me straight :)
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  • hawkfan68 wrote:
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    hawkfan68 wrote:Good to start with a win. Just an observation of Obafemi Martins. It seems that he tends to ball watch too much. Unless the ball is kicked right to him, he doesn't seem to run to the ball. It's got to be placed on a silver platter for him. I've noticed this repeatedly in his game, last season and also the first game this season. I guess it may be his style but when you Neagle chase after everything, you wish others would do that too. I wish Martins' had Neagle's hustle or Neagle had Martins' talent.



    I disagree with your assessment almost entirely. I would almost go as far as to commend Martins for the balls he chases....especially defensively.


    I rewatched the game again. I don't know what I saw the first time but I was off about Martins. There are times where he seems showing little effort but not as much as I made it out to be. He's a very good player, no doubt about it. Thanks Smurf and Curry for setting me straight :)



    lol. When it comes to the Sounders I have no issues calling people out when they're wrong. :P


    As I hope you would do to me as well.
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  • Sounders signed Seattle Native, Former USL Sounder and MLS Veteran Cam Weaver today.
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  • JD tearing things up already!
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  • Pappa sucks.
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  • Seattle's a hot mess today. Miscommunication, lazy passing, unforced errors, and it looks like they have the same problem that's plagued them for a while, the inability to create and/or finish scoring chances.
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  • Looking much more lively in the second half at least.
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  • Marco Pappa had a horrible game.

    Evans wasn't great before his injury.

    Neagle only played the second half.

    The midfield was atrocious that first half. It's their fault they were down 2-0 at half.


    The team came out fighting in the second half though. They went after it and started making some things happen. Oba and Clint started to combine well. Yedlin was AGAIN our best man on the pitch. Remick was good in the attack, was shaky in defense today.

    Pineda played well IMO for coming on for Evans. If Evans can't go in Montreal, Pineda should be able to step in.

    In Montreal I think Pappa gets dropped from the 11 in favor of Kenny Cooper.


    I think we'll see something like this:

    -----------------Frei---------------
    Yedlin----Traore-----Marshall----Remick
    ---------------Alonso---------------
    Neagle---------Pineda----------Cooper
    ---------------Dempsey--------------
    ---------------Martins---------------
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  • Why wouldn't Dempsey play? And Kenny Cooper is an out and out center striker in the mold of Altidore. He shouldn't play out wide especially in a system as you have in which he needs to protect an outside back.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:Why wouldn't Dempsey play? And Kenny Cooper is an out and out center striker in the mold of Altidore. He shouldn't play out wide especially in a system as you have in which he needs to protect an outside back.




    My mistake. Dempsey is missing. Only listed 10.


    Also, Kenny Cooper has been put out wide in both matches thus far. It looks like thats how Sigi is using him, for now.
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  • Smurf wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:Why wouldn't Dempsey play? And Kenny Cooper is an out and out center striker in the mold of Altidore. He shouldn't play out wide especially in a system as you have in which he needs to protect an outside back.




    My mistake. Dempsey is missing. Only listed 10.


    Also, Kenny Cooper has been put out wide in both matches thus far. It looks like thats how Sigi is using him, for now.


    Just saying that's a mistake...if he's on the field it should be above Dempsey
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    Uncle Si wrote:Why wouldn't Dempsey play? And Kenny Cooper is an out and out center striker in the mold of Altidore. He shouldn't play out wide especially in a system as you have in which he needs to protect an outside back.




    My mistake. Dempsey is missing. Only listed 10.


    Also, Kenny Cooper has been put out wide in both matches thus far. It looks like thats how Sigi is using him, for now.


    Just saying that's a mistake...if he's on the field it should be above Dempsey



    I actually like what I have seen from him out wide. He's got really good feet for a big man.

    He and Barrett have both been successful when put in those positions. Despite them being outside their perceived best roles.
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  • Come on Smurf...the condescending tone isn't necessary. Cooper isnt a wide player. Maybe he's not awful but you know the difference between a Zakuani type and a Altidore type
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  • Uncle Si wrote:Come on Smurf...the condescending tone isn't necessary. Cooper isnt a wide player. Maybe he's not awful but you know the difference between a Zakuani type and a Altidore type



    Didn't intend to sound condescending at all. I actually agree with you that Cooper is best as a Striker. The perception of Kenny Cooper is that is where he is best. Not just you. Not just me. But just about any who have watched him play. That being said, thats not what's being asked of him in Sigi's current system, and he's playing pretty well out wide, as is Chad Barrett. I don't think we would see much difference in the team if he played up top vs out wide.


    Our style of play is relying less and less on players like Zakuani to control the wings, and more on our outside backs. I don't have them up right now, but the Heat Maps for DeAndre Yedlin and Dylan Remick in the last two matches have been REDICULOUS. The Wingbacks are being asked to playing more aggressively that Johannson, Gonzalez, Wahl or Riley ever did. The width is coming from further back in the formation, allowing for more central outside midfielders...which is why we will see Evans deployed at RM and LM a lot this season.


    tl:dr: Didn't mean to be an ass. Cooper is best at Striker, but is doing job out wide. Team play style keying on aggressive fullbacks.
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  • Understood... but if you're opening up space for wingbacks to get involved you need true wing play. You look at teams that implement a similar style now across Europe: Bayern (Robben, Ribery), Dortmund (Aubemayang, Reus), Liverpool (Sterling, Sturridge, Coutinho) Arsenal (Ox, Walcott, Podolski), Barca (Neymar), Real (Ronaldo) and who their wingers are (granted, they can afford them, but still they go after a certain player type)

    The idea behind a wingback system (or the 4231/4123) is to allow yards of space to push your wing players into. this stretches the midfield and backline permitting more space for advanced players to run behind. It requires pacey players from back to front to push the pressure. it also requires cover from either the advanced winger or CM when the wingback barrels forward. It also requires a high pressing attitude to force teams to the middle and not allow them to utilize the gap between wingers and backs.

    While Cooper may exist in that role, he's not good at it. I watched the Sporting game and he was non existent. yes the wing backs are getting forward, but they arent penetrating, theirs little space which makes their pushing forward . And given Defoe's demolition of the backline in the second game (which happens when the midfield is stretched and the wingbacks are caught up, perhaps caught in transition... i didnt watch it but it sounded like Defoe was left to run alot in the first half) it begs the question if Sigi brought in the right type of players to consistently play the way he wants.

    No offense, but I have little faith in Sigi as a manager. Despite regular season successes, the Sounders set up lacks any innovation and teams seem to have little issue solving it by playoffs. Contrast that to Portland, whom I enjoy watching (as much as I enjoy watching the MLS). He's turned the roster over again, and I dont believe he brought in the right players. I was surprised to see them running the system they did against Sporting to be honest. I thought he'd run out a 4411 with Cooper there.

    Oh well...
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  • Sigi Schmid it trying to put a square peg in a round hole. Color me shocked.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:Understood... but if you're opening up space for wingbacks to get involved you need true wing play. You look at teams that implement a similar style now across Europe: Bayern (Robben, Ribery), Dortmund (Aubemayang, Reus), Liverpool (Sterling, Sturridge, Coutinho) Arsenal (Ox, Walcott, Podolski), Barca (Neymar), Real (Ronaldo) and who their wingers are (granted, they can afford them, but still they go after a certain player type)

    The idea behind a wingback system (or the 4231/4123) is to allow yards of space to push your wing players into. this stretches the midfield and backline permitting more space for advanced players to run behind. It requires pacey players from back to front to push the pressure. it also requires cover from either the advanced winger or CM when the wingback barrels forward. It also requires a high pressing attitude to force teams to the middle and not allow them to utilize the gap between wingers and backs.

    While Cooper may exist in that role, he's not good at it. I watched the Sporting game and he was non existent. yes the wing backs are getting forward, but they arent penetrating, theirs little space which makes their pushing forward . And given Defoe's demolition of the backline in the second game (which happens when the midfield is stretched and the wingbacks are caught up, perhaps caught in transition... i didnt watch it but it sounded like Defoe was left to run alot in the first half) it begs the question if Sigi brought in the right type of players to consistently play the way he wants.

    No offense, but I have little faith in Sigi as a manager. Despite regular season successes, the Sounders set up lacks any innovation and teams seem to have little issue solving it by playoffs. Contrast that to Portland, whom I enjoy watching (as much as I enjoy watching the MLS). He's turned the roster over again, and I dont believe he brought in the right players. I was surprised to see them running the system they did against Sporting to be honest. I thought he'd run out a 4411 with Cooper there.

    Oh well...



    How do you run a 4411 with Oba, Cooper and Dempsey on the same field? I don't see that happening.



    I understand the Sigi hate. I do. There is a lot of pressure to perform in Seattle and when the job doesn't get done, its frustrating. The Sounders are very much a club like a big club in Europe. The expectation is trophies and anything less than that is unacceptable. Sigi got us 3 in our first three years, but has yet to make strides in the league competition. He has been given every tool we have available to get it done...and he's come up short...and then you look at how the team is being set up....It's easy to see where the Sigi hate stems from.


    I think Sigi is a good coach. I really do. I do think he is too conservative, for my tastes. The average time for a Substitution with Sigi is about 75 minutes. I've always been a 60ish minute type of guy when it comes to subs. First half, make adjustments, give them 15 minutes to see how the players implement the changes, then make a change.

    That being said...I don't think that Sigi makes good substitutions either. I agree with his sub choices about 40% of the time....but then again I am aggressive when it comes to tactics, and I don't have all the information regarding fitness.


    IMO this team's build is ideal to run a form of a 4231.


    Yedlin, Traore, Marshall, Remick along the back. Gonzalez, Anibaba, Scott and Lowe are your reserves for the backline.

    Evans and Alonso holding mids. Pineda, Azira, Rose and Pereira are your reserves for the holding.

    Pappa and Neagle at Outside mid. Kovar, Okoli, Estrada, Pereira, Evans are your reserves for those roles.

    Dempsey is your CAM, and focal point of the attack. If he is unable to play you either play Neagle, Evans, Okoli, or Oba here....or change the system.

    Oba is your Striker. Spelled by Cooper, Barrett, Weaver, Bowen and Estrada.



    Their are a few reasons that our current tactics don't seem to be working.

    1. The tactics for the player set SUCKS.
    2. The players have not yet jelled.
    3. Alonso is being asked to cover too much of the midfield.
    4. Lack of creative off the ball movement.


    All this being said.

    I'm behind Sigi...cause I do think he can get us there.



    Also RE: Defoe.

    Both of his goals were off BLATANT Sounder errors. He didn't do anything special movement wise to get those goals. We gifted them on a silver platter. Both were horrible passes. His movement is not what prompted his goals. It was just the Sounders midfield being inept. Anyone who indicates otherwise was not paying attention.
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  • Cooper should be on the bench Smurf. Sigis trying to wedge him in.

    I don't get the expectations for trophies. Seattle has barely competed in the playoffs. Outside the US open, which is losing credibility, they've accomplished nothing to suggest silverware is an expectation.

    Add Sigis disjointed management over the last couple years and here we are.
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  • Uncle Si wrote:Cooper should be on the bench Smurf. Sigis trying to wedge him in.

    I don't get the expectations for trophies. Seattle has barely competed in the playoffs. Outside the US open, which is losing credibility, they've accomplished nothing to suggest silverware is an expectation.

    Add Sigis disjointed management over the last couple years and here we are.




    I agree that Cooper should be a bench player.

    I completely disagree with your assessment regarding trophies. 100% disagree. Every thing before each season, during each season, and after each season is pointed around winning trophies. It's everything with this club. The FO just disagree with you Si. They think Sigi is the guy who can get it done...and they've thought that since day 1.


    I get it. I get why people don't like Sigi. I know why the fanbase is split 50/50 (and yes, its still very much 50/50) on him. I don't think their is anyone who understands it better than I do. After last season I weighed the options, retain Sigi or get someone else. The Pro's and Con's of having him, or bringing in someone else. I went retain Sigi. Thats where I landed. I didn't see an immediate upgrade available. I still don't. Infact I see even fewer options now.


    I have faith in Sigi, and the team that they will become a more cohesive team on the pitch. Results will follow. Trophies after that.
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  • Arsenal say they want to win trophies too... Yet they keep a manager who is impervious to criticism and allergic to change.

    Regardless of what the front office thinks, the dismantling by Portland last season (in nearly every match) shows the drastic difference in a coach who challenges the game and one who resists it. You can compare it to a Brendan Rodgers or Pep against a Moyes or Wenger (who does have a nice style of play but refused to adapt it situationally)

    Sigi doesn't look a trophy winner. I don't know what the coaching class looks like in the MLS...but wouldn't a young squad coach from a top European club make a nice fit in a place like Seattle?

    Something? Anything? I just feel line the club needs an infusion of new ideas and new young, exciting players. Build around yedlin not Dempsey
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  • Sigi is a trophy winner...

    One thing lost in all of this, the fact Toronto broke the week long record of most fouls against us in a game.

    Remick wasn't great, he's a defensive liability.

    Alonso dominated the second half.

    Neagle is a giveaway machine.

    Dempsey was easily MOTM.

    Cooper should start in place of Neagle.
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  • knownone wrote:Sigi is a trophy winner...

    One thing lost in all of this, the fact Toronto broke the week long record of most fouls against us in a game.

    Remick wasn't great, he's a defensive liability.

    Alonso dominated the second half.

    Neagle is a giveaway machine.

    Dempsey was easily MOTM.

    Cooper should start in place of Neagle.


    Sigi is a trophy winner in the sense that he's won a trophy? sure.

    He has also failed most miserably in the biggest of competitions this team plays in.

    Sigi is a standard manager. He brings nothing new to the game. He will roll his team out, in basically the same system, game in, game out, with little adaptability or flexibility.

    Other managers are bringing something to the match that he doesnt, and his teams are summarily punished.

    Smurf and other Sounder fans can keep the faith. Until he shows even a hint of development i will assume this team is no better than a first round knockout again.

    Every team wants to win at the beginning of the season. Only a handful know they can and truly make the effort.

    Kenny Cooper... thats the Sounders effort
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  • Sigi has 2 MLS CUP wins and 2 Supporters Shields.

    SKC just won the cup and Vermes has been using the same 4-3-3 for the last 4 years.

    What teams are adaptive and flexible in MLS? Seriously, i'm struggling with this one.

    We're 2 games into the season, The teams been together what? 3 months? Dempsey has been with the team 2 weeks... Let's let the team jell a bit before we go off on Sigi.
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  • Its not this season but the last few...the Sounders have failed under Sigi to make any adjustments to their system and let teams punish them in the playoffs...

    I'm aware of Sigis accomplishments. I know of other managers whose previous successes led to their failures later.

    Adaptive teams like Portland, LA, Sporting, NYRB and now to be seen with Toronto are showing the necessary intelligence to win at this level. You dont see the same 433 high press with pacey eing play thats winning major trophies at Real, Barca, Bayern and Dortmund as adaptative? Sporting above all have adapted their entire club model. Its pre- K to the top team, a philosophy, a mission built on developing the next generation of player to play the game at a higher level than those doing it now. Its about winning, not just fielding a team that might win.

    This isn't the MLS of even 5 years ago. We will see if Sigi finally adapts or rests on past glories with teams in a less dynamic league
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  • Reports are surfacing that Dempsey is looking at a 2 match ban for his crotch slap of a Toronto player.

    I would not call Sporting a adaptive team...not in the slightest. They do what they do, and that's foul a lot.


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  • Smurf wrote:Reports are surfacing that Dempsey is looking at a 2 match ban for his crotch slap of a Toronto player.

    I would not call Sporting a adaptive team...not in the slightest. They do what they do, and that's foul a lot.


    Sure Smurf...

    Must be blissful reveling in singing crowds and cup trophies no one really cares about anymore while the game begins to pass you by.

    A. High press will result in fouls and opportunities in your opponents half. The better the players the better the press (and less fouls) But that's not adaptive to the basic simplistic forward play of most MLS teams? Portland? LA?Whatever...

    2. The structure of the club is what is truly astonishing. Sounders FC are vastly behind these progressive MLS clubs in terms of system and structure. I brought it up in several other threads. Oh well...

    I wont beleaguer this point anymore...you're welcome to keep your head in the sand. There's enough talent in Seattle to make fans believe they have a chance. I don't see it. Most people who watch the MLS I talk to feel similar about Seattle. Its a group relying on fan support. While progressive entities have already passed them by.

    The league is changing fast and in ways most fans aren't aware of. Seattle has done little to stay on the cutting edge. Its frustrating. Sigi to me just encompasses that unwillingness to move forward... To move on

    Sticky this and if I'm wrong...so be it. I'm disappointed in the mentality of management and the coach the last two full seasons and this offseason
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  • I completely agree with Si. Sigi is a good coach but his refusal to adapt is destroying the team. They haven't won the biggest trophy in MLS yet. Not even sniffed it once. After multiple years of the same thing and not fully succeeding, something needs to change.
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  • This is silly.

    Let's overact through 2 games.

    Portland? Draw City? they are Sean Johnson away from having 1 point in 2 games.

    Sporting? 2 games, 1 point.

    LA? 1 game, 0 points.

    NYRB? 2 games, 1 point.

    Toronto? one game into the season and apparently they have already surpassed Sigi in terms of adaptability and flexibility. This is the same manager who managed a pretty solid 6 wins last year... innovation.
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  • Know one...

    Silly is to look st the two games and ignore the immediate past. Silly is ignoring the direction of the club. This is an accumulation of the last two seasons plus this off season. Not the first two games.

    Fairly certain that was clear in the numerous posts above. These are clubs that have invested in wholesale change and development from the grassroots. Something I've hoped Sounders FC to do. Something they haven't fully.

    Take their rival to the south...investing in a young innovative coach, young exciting players, a reserve unit that is playing overseas and hosting youth academy players from across the world.

    Its not about the first two matches but the directions of these clubs. Read up on Toronto FC sometime. The investment in player and staff this off season was a culmination of progressive developments.

    Other clubs are taking a serious, innovative and European approach to their program.

    Whatever...Sigi wears a scarf! We have Dempsey! We have coordinated songs and chants!

    Go Sounders
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  • I'm curious what you are referring to when you indicate we are behind other MLS clubs...i get the feeling that opinion is NOT purely based on Tactics and infact I am inferring that you believe that is only a small portion of the issue you see. Could you care to clarify Si?


    What do you believe RSL, San Jose and Houston are doing that are above us?



    Don't take my differing opinion from yours as a Head in the Sand approach. I am not one to ignore rational arguments, and I do agree with some of what you're saying. I think you are making some very valid points, but are doing your argument an injustice due to the balance of importance you are placing on certain aspects.

    Don't hold back, and give me the whole picture as you see it.

    Tactics are Tactics. But your argument holds more than just tactics Si. What else ya got?
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  • Smurf...read up. Its all there... The progressive clubs who are taking an innovative approach to not just the first team but the layers are more in the Portland, Sporting, Colorado, NYRB, Toronto and the Cosmos
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  • Uncle Si wrote:Know one...

    Silly is to look st the two games and ignore the immediate past. Silly is ignoring the direction of the club. This is an accumulation of the last two seasons plus this off season. Not the first two games.

    Fairly certain that was clear in the numerous posts above. These are clubs that have invested in wholesale change and development from the grassroots. Something I've hoped Sounders FC to do. Something they haven't fully.

    Take their rival to the south...investing in a young innovative coach, young exciting players, a reserve unit that is playing overseas and hosting youth academy players from across the world.

    Its not about the first two matches but the directions of these clubs. Read up on Toronto FC sometime. The investment in player and staff this off season was a culmination of progressive developments.

    Other clubs are taking a serious, innovative and European approach to their program.

    Whatever...Sigi wears a scarf! We have Dempsey! We have coordinated songs and chants!

    Go Sounders

    The past is 5 straight playoff trips, one bullshit hand-ball from an MLS cup appearance. 3 out of 4 open cup wins and the first team in modern MLS history to win a knock out round aggregate against a Liga MX team.

    The wildly innovative Caleb Porter down south? He made the playoffs! and got blown out 5-2, ironically to the same guy famous for knocking the Sounders out.
    Seattle also hosts youth academy players from around the world! They've also spent as much or more than any other team in youth development over the past 3 years.

    Toronto hasn't made the playoffs in 8 years, maybe spending 100 million is progressive but it's far to early to crown them as a model for the Sounders to emulate.
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