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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:39 am
  • peachesenregalia wrote:Some intriguing matches this weekend. Spurs should beat West Ham, but I could see the hammers nicking a point. I'll be watching that United match, Sunderland look like they could beat a despondent United team that appears to be in a tailspin. I expect Liverpool to pummel Palace, but we know how that generally goes. I'll be happy with a win of any kind.



    Everton visiting the Emirates is a nice tilt as well....

    more of a Champs league topic, but I found this article on Bayerns destruction of City pretty interesting...

    http://deadspin.com/fc-bayern-fillet-city-how-the-worlds-best-team-is-get-1440647716
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:20 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    more of a Champs league topic, but I found this article on Bayerns destruction of City pretty interesting...

    http://deadspin.com/fc-bayern-fillet-city-how-the-worlds-best-team-is-get-1440647716


    Bayern are formidable (still hold a huge grudge against them for choosing a game in which them losing would indirectly knock Spurs out of Europe to play about their only poor game if the past 3 years, though, so they'll always be useless twats to me).

    City definitely have some weak spots. Here's hoping for a Manchester-free Champions League next season.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:26 am
  • Hawkspur wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    more of a Champs league topic, but I found this article on Bayerns destruction of City pretty interesting...

    http://deadspin.com/fc-bayern-fillet-city-how-the-worlds-best-team-is-get-1440647716


    Bayern are formidable (still hold a huge grudge against them for choosing a game in which them losing would indirectly knock Spurs out of Europe to play about their only poor game if the past 3 years, though, so they'll always be useless twats to me).

    City definitely have some weak spots. Here's hoping for a Manchester-free Champions League next season.


    Could happen. I think Moyes stays this season regardless, but I don't think he gets them in the top 4. As for City, they'll sack Pellegrini before christmas if this form continues, and bring in someone more competent, possibly enough to snatch the 4th CL spot.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:36 am
  • Things are looking pretty grim in the world of Glazer coach/managers.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:50 am
  • peachesenregalia wrote:
    Hawkspur wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    more of a Champs league topic, but I found this article on Bayerns destruction of City pretty interesting...

    http://deadspin.com/fc-bayern-fillet-city-how-the-worlds-best-team-is-get-1440647716


    Bayern are formidable (still hold a huge grudge against them for choosing a game in which them losing would indirectly knock Spurs out of Europe to play about their only poor game if the past 3 years, though, so they'll always be useless twats to me).

    City definitely have some weak spots. Here's hoping for a Manchester-free Champions League next season.


    Could happen. I think Moyes stays this season regardless, but I don't think he gets them in the top 4. As for City, they'll sack Pellegrini before christmas if this form continues, and bring in someone more competent, possibly enough to snatch the 4th CL spot.


    Bayern's strengths go far beyond simply exposing City's frailities. I can see a Manchester-free top 4, or atleast a United-free. City may have the resolve and talent to challenge. However, if City wane, then yes Pelligrini gets the sack.

    Again with Bayern though.. only Dortmund have found a formula to play with them in a meaningful game (and that was without Goetze). The newly implemented philosophy Pep brings to them only makes them more dangerous. Really, it just adds to their flexibility. Mueller's goal was a perfect example of how the more technical "tika taka" passing can be fully utilized by their attackers. They simply overran City's midfield, which is supposed to be their strong point.

    anyways, this is a PL thread. just amazed at the level of play of Bayern. They look far more dangerous than even Peps best Barca side, and to be honest are far stronger defending. the high press works better with the Germans more athletic and stronger players and the back line seems more comfortable even if isolated.

    As desperate as I am for Liverpool to re-enter the CL (and feel they could play there), i have a hard time seeing them being anything more than "competitive" with the top 2 German sides
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:53 am
  • Great 1st half....time to get Aspas, Allen and Ibe off the mark
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:58 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:Great 1st half....time to get Aspas, Allen and Ibe off the mark


    looking very good. these were the types of teams we struggled with in the past.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:48 am
  • What's happened to Spurs here?
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:53 am
  • And Arse-nal squander two points at WBA! Joint top!
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:44 pm
  • peachesenregalia wrote:And Arse-nal squander two points at WBA! Joint top!


    I disagree, it wasn't 2 points squandered. Neither team were good today and a draw was probably the best result for both sides, you could say the international break came at the right time for Arsenal. That said, Lee Mason was as poor as Arsenal's first half was, he made some questionable decisions all around, to the point that I saw some jokes on twitter that he was gonna send off an Arsenal player for breathing on the opponent.

    I suppose it was fitting that the Arsenal goal was scored by Wilshere after the week he's had, and the criticisms everyone was giving him at halftime.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:33 am
  • Southampton is 4th....
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:06 am
  • Gatehawk wrote:
    peachesenregalia wrote:And Arse-nal squander two points at WBA! Joint top!


    I disagree, it wasn't 2 points squandered. Neither team were good today and a draw was probably the best result for both sides, you could say the international break came at the right time for Arsenal. That said, Lee Mason was as poor as Arsenal's first half was, he made some questionable decisions all around, to the point that I saw some jokes on twitter that he was gonna send off an Arsenal player for breathing on the opponent.

    I suppose it was fitting that the Arsenal goal was scored by Wilshere after the week he's had, and the criticisms everyone was giving him at halftime.



    breathed pretty hard on that final ball in the box and got away with it... Arsenal were fortunate to nic a point. WBA controlled massively long spells of that game and were unfortunate to not be up 3 goals by the time Wilshere got his goal (which by they way started with a break on the other end after a WBA player was fouled but no call given).

    Its going to happen, and its going to happen away. but its a bit disingenuous to waive away WBA's efforts so brazenly and claim a draw was their best result.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:01 pm
  • Look at who you're talking to, Simon.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:43 pm
  • peachesenregalia wrote:Look at who you're talking to, Simon.



    Ive done so good the last few weeks too... but WBA deserved the credit here (and the 3 points in my mind). Arsenal got a draw and should be happy, just as I was happy Liverpool pulled a point from Swansea despite being outplayed.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:42 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    peachesenregalia wrote:Look at who you're talking to, Simon.



    Ive done so good the last few weeks too... but WBA deserved the credit here (and the 3 points in my mind). Arsenal got a draw and should be happy, just as I was happy Liverpool pulled a point from Swansea despite being outplayed.


    Agreed. Also, that loss to So'ton doesn't look quite so bad given their present form, does it? Still lots of football to be played, but I can't help but be encouraged by the results and how we've played against teams that would have given us trouble last year.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:19 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:breathed pretty hard on that final ball in the box and got away with it... Arsenal were fortunate to nic a point. WBA controlled massively long spells of that game and were unfortunate to not be up 3 goals by the time Wilshere got his goal (which by they way started with a break on the other end after a WBA player was fouled but no call given).

    Its going to happen, and its going to happen away. but its a bit disingenuous to waive away WBA's efforts so brazenly and claim a draw was their best result.


    Don't get me wrong(you always seem to think so), I'm glad we got the draw after how poor we were in the first half. I just was pointing out that the referee screwed up on some key decisions, that one at the end involving Koscielny included, hell, I was shocked when no call was given. But you can not tell me that Mulumbu's challenge on Wilshere in I think it was the 75th minute, was clean, hell that challenge was eerily similar to the two by Koscielny earlier this season(vs Villa and Sunderland) that were called penalties.

    And about that foul you claimed to have happened in the build up to Wilshere's goal. I went back and watched that highlight, that wasn't a foul, that looked like a jostling match between two players and Ozil came won out, hell it almost seems like the West Brom player actually tripped over the ball in the end, like he stepped on it and lost his balance.

    I'm not taking anything away from West Brom, they played really well everywhere, except in attack, they had some good strikes, but what's gonna stand out is the two clear opportunities Anelka had, one he missed played and topped the ball badly, the other went just wide. Neither team had a lethal bite in attack and it hurt both teams, Arsenal mostly looked worn out and are probably among those that are overjoyed at the international break arriving.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:03 am
  • "Confirmed rupture in the rectum in training yesterday, about five weeks of feeling low."

    Iago Aspas, Liverpool FC (tweeted today)

    and.... GO!

    (edit: its ok everyone, Aspas rectum is fine. apparently he mistyped "rectoris"; ie: thigh. i mean he's still out 5 weeks, but i think we all feel better for him)
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:36 am
  • I hope Aspas comes back fighting. We need some good cover striking options, and aside from the first match of the season, he hasn't looked great.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:51 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:"Confirmed rupture in the rectum in training yesterday, about five weeks of feeling low."

    Iago Aspas, Liverpool FC (tweeted today)

    and.... GO!

    (edit: its ok everyone, Aspas rectum is fine. apparently he mistyped "rectoris"; ie: thigh. i mean he's still out 5 weeks, but i think we all feel better for him)



    Coutinho back for the Newcastle game... will be interesting if he starts and how we line up (stay with the 352 or back to a 433 so moses can stay on the field).

    regardless of Aspas, this team STILL need a winger in the Jan window
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:36 am
  • Yeah, we really do. Arda Turan maybe?
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:08 am
  • Scale of 1-10, how pathetic was the Norwich defense in that goal by Wilshere? 4 guys surrounded him and he waltzed through to get on the end of an amazing pass by Giroud.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:39 am
  • well Gate... we should know very soon what Arsenal really are. nothing to take away from Arsenal in dismantling Norwich (outside some poor defending again). But that looked like a training session. Norwich was very poor defensively, no pressure on the ball, massive gaps in their lanes and a complete lack of tackling and marking. Still, Arsenal had to score. Newcastle werent any better than the Canaries and Liverpool failed to take advantage of it.

    Both Liverpool and Arsenal have benefitted from a "light" start to the season (both have played one of the top teams, although Southampton could/should count in that for Liverpool). Now Arsenal will hit a meaty (to say the least) portion of the schedule. How they come out on the other end could say alot of what they accomplish
    Next 7 fixtures:

    Arsenal v Borussia Dortmund Tue 22 Oct 19:45
    Crystal Palace v Arsenal Sat 26 Oct 12:45
    Arsenal v Chelsea Tue 29 Oct 19:45
    Arsenal v Liverpool Sat 2 Nov 17:30
    Borussia Dortmund v Arsenal Wed 6 Nov 19:45
    Man Utd v Arsenal Sun 10 Nov 16:10
    Arsenal v Southampton Sat 23 Nov 15:00

    Liverpool meanwhile have an odd set of fixtures coming. Nothing like the run Arsenal must go on. But, Liverpool will play Arsenal, Everton, City, Chelsea and Spurs away before New Years (we have plenty of lesser fixtures mixed in). Those fixtures last year netted a total 4 points. will need more than that this time around to stay around 4th.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:09 am
  • Really strong bounce back from Arsenal today. Stormed out of the 2nd half gates and looked strong going forward for the most part in the half. Crystal Palace looked a lot better going forward from the 65th minute on, due to Arsenal going down to 10 men thanks to a somewhat questionable decision by Foy after a foul by Arteta. Szczesny made two amazing saves, one of which is easily a candidate for save of the week, due to it denying a potential goal of the week candidate, really showing his ability to be one of the best keepers in the Premier. And Palace came close a number of times before they got caught on the break with a very nice header by Ollie G.

    About that red card on Arteta. We all know it was given because Arteta was the "last man", but when the contact occurs 40-50 yards from goal and the player in possession of the ball is clearly not the fastest guy on the pitch, should it really count as a last man rule? I know you guys will say it's a red card, but I find it kinda funny how Arteta was sent off for a last man foul 50 yards from the goal.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:35 am
  • Suarez. Name a better player in England, ill wait.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:21 pm
  • InSuarezWeTrust wrote:Suarez. Name a better player in England, ill wait.


    great performance for the Reds today. Suarez was unplayable and the partnership with Sturridge and soon coutinho is beginning to really take form.

    Gate... Its a red. Unfortunate maybe but think of all the teams who play high lines..
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:47 pm
  • Gate, shut up. It's a red every time, doesn't matter how far from goal you are or how fast the attacking player is.

    Anyway, Suarez and Sturridge are unstoppable right now. Coutinho back next week for the Arse-nal match, he'll add another new dimension. HUGE match next week, could really make a statement with a result at the Emirates. Could go either way, really, they are the two best teams in England at the minute, the league standings are an accurate reflection of that.

    Jammie bastards United again today, snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. Still, United are streets behind everyone else this year, will be lucky to finish in the top 6.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:54 pm
  • peachesenregalia wrote:Gate, shut up. It's a red every time, doesn't matter how far from goal you are or how fast the attacking player is.

    Anyway, Suarez and Sturridge are unstoppable right now. Coutinho back next week for the Arse-nal match, he'll add another new dimension. HUGE match next week, could really make a statement with a result at the Emirates. Could go either way, really, they are the two best teams in England at the minute, the league standings are an accurate reflection of that.

    Jammie bastards United again today, snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. Still, United are streets behind everyone else this year, will be lucky to finish in the top 6.


    I mean he did say a rather tepid performance to Crystal Palace was a "nice bounce back"...

    Arsenal got three point. Outside of that not very convincing. Felt like they needed to answer questions but failed to do so.

    I'm sure the wee will be different. Interested to see what their midweek lineup will be.

    Gate, with Liverpool on the horizon what would you as a supporter prefer for the league cup tie? Full squad or reserves mixed in?
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:40 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    peachesenregalia wrote:Gate, shut up. It's a red every time, doesn't matter how far from goal you are or how fast the attacking player is.

    Anyway, Suarez and Sturridge are unstoppable right now. Coutinho back next week for the Arse-nal match, he'll add another new dimension. HUGE match next week, could really make a statement with a result at the Emirates. Could go either way, really, they are the two best teams in England at the minute, the league standings are an accurate reflection of that.

    Jammie bastards United again today, snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. Still, United are streets behind everyone else this year, will be lucky to finish in the top 6.


    I mean he did say a rather tepid performance to Crystal Palace was a "nice bounce back"...

    Arsenal got three point. Outside of that not very convincing. Felt like they needed to answer questions but failed to do so.

    I'm sure the wee will be different. Interested to see what their midweek lineup will be.

    Gate, with Liverpool on the horizon what would you as a supporter prefer for the league cup tie? Full squad or reserves mixed in?


    Let's be honest here, Palace is probably the most unlucky side in the EPL right now, they're really tough to play at Selhurst Park, mostly cause of those fans of theirs, and they come at you. Everyone thought this'd be a massacre, but they really hung with Arsenal for a long time. And you gotta give credit to the Gunners to, when Arteta was sent off(I'm still a bit baffled at that decision and so is Wenger), Arsenal could have sat back and defended for 25 minutes, but no they went at Crystal Palace and eventually got a 2nd thanks to a decent cross by Ramsey to Giroud. I like this new mindset Arsenal seem to have, like before if they were in that situation, everyone but Giroud would be back defending, now, they get the ball, they go forward and they try to get another goal.

    As for Tuesday, I'd rather see a mix. Not like the match against West Brom where it was mostly young guns, I'm hoping some mostly experienced players get somewhat of a decent amount of playing time. I can't really see Mourinho putting out a really strong team, especially with the fact that they play Man City just two days prior, I think that plays into Arsenal's favor a bit, so probably a mixture of experience and youth will do just fine for me.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:34 am
  • Decent response, Gate. I watched the Aeteta foul again last night, and I just have to think that's gonna be a red card 9 times out of 10. Chamakh has position and a clear path to the goal, Arteta literally pulls him down in desperation. It's a red card per the rulebook. Might appear harsh, but the ref followed the rulebook in this situation. Arteta needs to shut up and get on with it.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:08 pm
  • peachesenregalia wrote:Decent response, Gate. I watched the Aeteta foul again last night, and I just have to think that's gonna be a red card 9 times out of 10. Chamakh has position and a clear path to the goal, Arteta literally pulls him down in desperation. It's a red card per the rulebook. Might appear harsh, but the ref followed the rulebook in this situation. Arteta needs to shut up and get on with it.


    Under what the rule says, yes it was a last man challenge, but it was in a position where some people are gonna question whether it's truly last man or not. Arteta's even under the same impression that I was(same with Wenger), even adding that he believes there was just as much contact from Chamakh on him as he had on Chamakh.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:31 pm
  • Gatehawk wrote:
    peachesenregalia wrote:Decent response, Gate. I watched the Aeteta foul again last night, and I just have to think that's gonna be a red card 9 times out of 10. Chamakh has position and a clear path to the goal, Arteta literally pulls him down in desperation. It's a red card per the rulebook. Might appear harsh, but the ref followed the rulebook in this situation. Arteta needs to shut up and get on with it.


    Under what the rule says, yes it was a last man challenge, but it was in a position where some people are gonna question whether it's truly last man or not. Arteta's even under the same impression that I was(same with Wenger), even adding that he believes there was just as much contact from Chamakh on him as he had on Chamakh.


    Shocking that the player who got the red card, his coach , and a fan of the team have issues with the card. I wonder what Palace fans think?

    Give it a rest Gate. Wenger whines about every call against Arsenal to point of almost ridiculous hypocrisy.

    As a former college back... Its a red card. Your taught not to be caught flat their. Sometimes it happens. It happened to Arteta. I don't what else to say. You keep arguing the call (as you do most calls that go against Arsenal) and we keep saying its a red. Change the record or take your case to the Arsenal fan board for support
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:49 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:Shocking that the player who got the red card, his coach , and a fan of the team have issues with the card. I wonder what Palace fans think?

    Give it a rest Gate. Wenger whines about every call against Arsenal to point of almost ridiculous hypocrisy.

    As a former college back... Its a red card. Your taught not to be caught flat their. Sometimes it happens. It happened to Arteta. I don't what else to say. You keep arguing the call (as you do most calls that go against Arsenal) and we keep saying its a red. Change the record or take your case to the Arsenal fan board for support


    Okay, you better explain to me where the hell I said it wasn't a red card. I never said it wasn't, all I was saying was that it's funny how where that foul occurred counts as a last man challenge. I'm not disputing the decision, I'm not arguing the decision, I'm not calling BS on it either.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:19 am
  • Gatehawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:Shocking that the player who got the red card, his coach , and a fan of the team have issues with the card. I wonder what Palace fans think?

    Give it a rest Gate. Wenger whines about every call against Arsenal to point of almost ridiculous hypocrisy.

    As a former college back... Its a red card. Your taught not to be caught flat their. Sometimes it happens. It happened to Arteta. I don't what else to say. You keep arguing the call (as you do most calls that go against Arsenal) and we keep saying its a red. Change the record or take your case to the Arsenal fan board for support


    Okay, you better explain to me where the hell I said it wasn't a red card. I never said it wasn't, all I was saying was that it's funny how where that foul occurred counts as a last man challenge. I'm not disputing the decision, I'm not arguing the decision, I'm not calling BS on it either.



    your have three posts questioning the call Gate... so "when the hell" is literally just up the thread. is that sufficient? Maybe you've convinced yourself that passive aggressive complaining isnt the same thing as whining or arguing...

    I really dont even understand where the dispute it is... he's the last man, its piss poor tactical defending from Arsenal (on their own effing set piece no less). Arteta clatters into him. Whetehr Chamakh takes the angle or not doesnt mean Arteta can bring him down...

    And honestly gate are you so naive or ridiculously hypocritical of Arsenal to not understand the last defender rule... hell your squad was hit by a similar counter against Villa in the first game of the season,. Everton hit you last year. Being the last defender anywhere on the field means you're stopping a goal scoring opportunity. its not that debatable.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:42 am
  • Are you guys in America forced to endure the English commentators? Good God are they awful. Last night, in the Spurs v Hull cup game, we were forced to endure something I didn't think was possible: a match commentary worse than anything uttered even by Mark Lawrenson or Andy Grey. I'm not sure if he's a troll or just someone whose understsnding of the game derives entirely from reading the sports pages of the Sun, but I've never heard someone be so viciously critical when the criticism was completely unwarranted as Jon Champion was last night. He laid into Lamela all game long, despite the fact thst Lamela clearly played a good game. It's not his fault that he was playing the ball to Defoe rather than Totti. He had a great passing game and created space in a way that Lennon couldn't against the same team on Sunday. Sure, I'd like to see him shoot more but I'm sure that will come when he becomes more comfortable in the system.

    Champion slagged off the crowd and the atmosphere all game long.... and the atmosphere sounded great. Lots of songs and loud encouragement. He made a point of highlighting the crowd's boos.... when they were clearly showing affection for Kabooooooooul!

    I found a different stream in Portuguese and happily watched extra time in blissful ignorance. When I play sports game on the playstation the first thing I do is turn off the commentary. I genuinely wish television networks would give us that option.

    I know that there are plenty of intelligent, insightful and articulate sports fans out there. Why do they force us to endure the complete opposite?

    I know that, as with many stereotypes, there is a sizeable minority who definitely make the term 'whingeing Pom' justified, but it is a minority. I wish the football media wasn't so overwhelmingly negative.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:40 am
  • Hawkspur wrote:Are you guys in America forced to endure the English commentators? Good God are they awful. Last night, in the Spurs v Hull cup game, we were forced to endure something I didn't think was possible: a match commentary worse than anything uttered even by Mark Lawrenson or Andy Grey. I'm not sure if he's a troll or just someone whose understsnding of the game derives entirely from reading the sports pages of the Sun, but I've never heard someone be so viciously critical when the criticism was completely unwarranted as Jon Champion was last night. He laid into Lamela all game long, despite the fact thst Lamela clearly played a good game. It's not his fault that he was playing the ball to Defoe rather than Totti. He had a great passing game and created space in a way that Lennon couldn't against the same team on Sunday. Sure, I'd like to see him shoot more but I'm sure that will come when he becomes more comfortable in the system.

    Champion slagged off the crowd and the atmosphere all game long.... and the atmosphere sounded great. Lots of songs and loud encouragement. He made a point of highlighting the crowd's boos.... when they were clearly showing affection for Kabooooooooul!

    I found a different stream in Portuguese and happily watched extra time in blissful ignorance. When I play sports game on the playstation the first thing I do is turn off the commentary. I genuinely wish television networks would give us that option.

    I know that there are plenty of intelligent, insightful and articulate sports fans out there. Why do they force us to endure the complete opposite?

    I know that, as with many stereotypes, there is a sizeable minority who definitely make the term 'whingeing Pom' justified, but it is a minority. I wish the football media wasn't so overwhelmingly negative.



    Spur... only the truly good ones know how to discuss a game on its merit without letting hyperbole or wind ups take over the broadcast. Unfortunately their are too many who cant discuss the game as it is, and therefore devolve into immature antics to make themselves sound smarter... the easiest way to sound like you know whats going on is to criticize someone else.

    Anyways, when it comes to footy, I stream the games and unless I get the Liverpool broadcasters or the man Sky/BBC crew just turn the sound down. Often i'll match it in another language just to save myself the trouble.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:13 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:your have three posts questioning the call Gate... so "when the hell" is literally just up the thread. is that sufficient? Maybe you've convinced yourself that passive aggressive complaining isnt the same thing as whining or arguing...

    I really dont even understand where the dispute it is... he's the last man, its piss poor tactical defending from Arsenal (on their own effing set piece no less). Arteta clatters into him. Whetehr Chamakh takes the angle or not doesnt mean Arteta can bring him down...

    And honestly gate are you so naive or ridiculously hypocritical of Arsenal to not understand the last defender rule... hell your squad was hit by a similar counter against Villa in the first game of the season,. Everton hit you last year. Being the last defender anywhere on the field means you're stopping a goal scoring opportunity. its not that debatable.


    Maybe I should dumb it down for you. I was never questioning the referee's decision(if I did I could point out that in some replays Chamakh looked to be the instigator of the contact, but that's besides the point), I was questioning the logic in the rule that the ref utilized in his decision. It could've been anyone on the ball, Chamakh, Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez, Ibra, or Lewendowski and it still have a vast majority make the remark that 50 yards from goal is not a clear goal scoring opportunity. It's done, it's over with, Arteta's served his suspension so let's just drop it. Though you probably won't, as no matter what I say, you'll claim I'm being hypocritical, or diluted or stupid. I don't even know why I answer your questions because you'll never just go "you got a point" you'll just act like I don't know shit about what I'm talking about.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:09 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    Hawkspur wrote:Are you guys in America forced to endure the English commentators? Good God are they awful. Last night, in the Spurs v Hull cup game, we were forced to endure something I didn't think was possible: a match commentary worse than anything uttered even by Mark Lawrenson or Andy Grey. I'm not sure if he's a troll or just someone whose understsnding of the game derives entirely from reading the sports pages of the Sun, but I've never heard someone be so viciously critical when the criticism was completely unwarranted as Jon Champion was last night. He laid into Lamela all game long, despite the fact thst Lamela clearly played a good game. It's not his fault that he was playing the ball to Defoe rather than Totti. He had a great passing game and created space in a way that Lennon couldn't against the same team on Sunday. Sure, I'd like to see him shoot more but I'm sure that will come when he becomes more comfortable in the system.

    Champion slagged off the crowd and the atmosphere all game long.... and the atmosphere sounded great. Lots of songs and loud encouragement. He made a point of highlighting the crowd's boos.... when they were clearly showing affection for Kabooooooooul!

    I found a different stream in Portuguese and happily watched extra time in blissful ignorance. When I play sports game on the playstation the first thing I do is turn off the commentary. I genuinely wish television networks would give us that option.

    I know that there are plenty of intelligent, insightful and articulate sports fans out there. Why do they force us to endure the complete opposite?

    I know that, as with many stereotypes, there is a sizeable minority who definitely make the term 'whingeing Pom' justified, but it is a minority. I wish the football media wasn't so overwhelmingly negative.



    Spur... only the truly good ones know how to discuss a game on its merit without letting hyperbole or wind ups take over the broadcast. Unfortunately their are too many who cant discuss the game as it is, and therefore devolve into immature antics to make themselves sound smarter... the easiest way to sound like you know whats going on is to criticize someone else.

    Anyways, when it comes to footy, I stream the games and unless I get the Liverpool broadcasters or the man Sky/BBC crew just turn the sound down. Often i'll match it in another language just to save myself the trouble.



    It's depressing, isn't it. I mentioned this one because last night was a clear new low for me, even worse than Lawrenson at the Euros or Murray Mexted commentating on NZ rugby. Champion had obviously read the Sun's storylines from the weekend (toxic atmosphere at the Lane, fans disappointed in Lamela signing, Steve Bruce hard done by) and practiced his lines in the shower before the match. When the opposite happened he barrelled on regardless.

    What disappoints me is that there are probably hundreds of thousands of people who could have done a better job than what he did last night and he probably got paid upwards of a grand for his 'effort'. I could have done better, you could have done better, Rob's in the football & microphone business and, given the amount of good work that he puts into player and scheme analysis in American football, I have no doubt that he would have done a whole lot better. I don't know which network last night's game was on, but it was a piss poor effort.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:20 am
  • Gatehawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:your have three posts questioning the call Gate... so "when the hell" is literally just up the thread. is that sufficient? Maybe you've convinced yourself that passive aggressive complaining isnt the same thing as whining or arguing...

    I really dont even understand where the dispute it is... he's the last man, its piss poor tactical defending from Arsenal (on their own effing set piece no less). Arteta clatters into him. Whetehr Chamakh takes the angle or not doesnt mean Arteta can bring him down...

    And honestly gate are you so naive or ridiculously hypocritical of Arsenal to not understand the last defender rule... hell your squad was hit by a similar counter against Villa in the first game of the season,. Everton hit you last year. Being the last defender anywhere on the field means you're stopping a goal scoring opportunity. its not that debatable.


    Maybe I should dumb it down for you. I was never questioning the referee's decision(if I did I could point out that in some replays Chamakh looked to be the instigator of the contact, but that's besides the point), I was questioning the logic in the rule that the ref utilized in his decision. It could've been anyone on the ball, Chamakh, Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez, Ibra, or Lewendowski and it still have a vast majority make the remark that 50 yards from goal is not a clear goal scoring opportunity. It's done, it's over with, Arteta's served his suspension so let's just drop it. Though you probably won't, as no matter what I say, you'll claim I'm being hypocritical, or diluted or stupid. I don't even know why I answer your questions because you'll never just go "you got a point" you'll just act like I don't know shit about what I'm talking about.



    Gate for christsake.....let me dumb it down for you kid...

    I'm fairly sure you have an idea of what you're trying to say. but you often come off the other way then get overly defensive when called on it. and as soon as I think to believe it you say "50 yards from goal is not a clear goal scoring opportunity" completey ignoring that a. yes it is 2. your own team gave up a 70 yard breakaway against Villa to open the campaign. the only vast majority in this regards are gunner fans.

    when you say "i'm a bit baffled by the decision, as is Wenger" you are more than questioning the logic of the rule. If you cant understand your own passive aggressive whining than i've no hope for you. (like your ridiculous gif of Suarez getting taken down in the box a couple years ago in front of Arsenal goal that despite showing a clear foul you continued to parade on about) So no, you havent made "a point". you brought it up, i responded, you kept on about it. your reputation to question every little thing that goes against Arsenal is a well earned one.

    this weekend is too big to continue this drivel. Looks as though Arteta (edit... seems as if he's playing) and Flamini will miss, as well as Coutinho (atleast in a start).

    its a great matchup considering the unique strengths that both teams have and how they contrast the other team's weaknesses (Arsenal's Mids v. Liverpool Mids; Liverpool strikers v. Arsenal's D). its rare to see two teams so equally balanced in scoring and points so unequally balanced in strengths and weaknesses.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:54 pm
  • 1-3 LFC. Suarez with 2 and a Sahko header from a corner.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:52 pm
  • InSuarezWeTrust wrote:1-3 LFC. Suarez with 2 and a Sahko header from a corner.


    That's being highly optimistic. Only Aston Villa has scored multiple goals on Arsenal in the EPL this year, and two of their goals came off penalties. If Liverpool do score, Suarez or Sturridge will likely be the one to do so. I'd say a draw or Arsenal win is the likely outcome. Liverpool have been playing that 3 man back line and with players like Ozil and the in form Ramsey, Liverpool will be playing with fire all game.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:36 am
  • Gatehawk wrote:
    InSuarezWeTrust wrote:1-3 LFC. Suarez with 2 and a Sahko header from a corner.


    That's being highly optimistic. Only Aston Villa has scored multiple goals on Arsenal in the EPL this year, and two of their goals came off penalties. If Liverpool do score, Suarez or Sturridge will likely be the one to do so. I'd say a draw or Arsenal win is the likely outcome. Liverpool have been playing that 3 man back line and with players like Ozil and the in form Ramsey, Liverpool will be playing with fire all game.


    Its three center backs and two wing back defenders. Each wb is responsible for the balance when the ball is on the other side of the field. Its always 4 and often 5 defender's.. But hey, simple tactics shouldn't trip anyone up.

    A draw here would be a nice result for Liverpool. I see us scoring. Hopefully we score enough
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:38 am
  • If? When.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:19 am
  • Oh well... Take your chances better and grab a point. Atkinson blew the Liverpool goal. Ramsey's was a dagger
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:15 pm
  • All week, all I heard from the media was how SAS would carve up the Arsenal defense and yet they got nothing. Arsenal win and thanks to Newcastle stunning Chelsea, Arsenal are now 5 points clear at the top heading into next week's match at Old Trafford.

    To be honest, I didn't see the match due to work, still am at work as I type this, all I have to go on is by what I've read on twitter.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:53 pm
  • Gatehawk wrote:All week, all I heard from the media was how SAS would carve up the Arsenal defense and yet they got nothing. Arsenal win and thanks to Newcastle stunning Chelsea, Arsenal are now 5 points clear at the top heading into next week's match at Old Trafford.

    To be honest, I didn't see the match due to work, still am at work as I type this, all I have to go on is by what I've read on twitter.


    Goal disallowed that should have stood and Suarez missed 4-5 golden chances including striking the post.

    Since you didn't watch it I'd think taking the 3 points without assumptive comments wou...

    Oh wait, its Gate.

    Arsenal held their home. Long way to go before anything is settled though
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:18 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:
    Gatehawk wrote:All week, all I heard from the media was how SAS would carve up the Arsenal defense and yet they got nothing. Arsenal win and thanks to Newcastle stunning Chelsea, Arsenal are now 5 points clear at the top heading into next week's match at Old Trafford.

    To be honest, I didn't see the match due to work, still am at work as I type this, all I have to go on is by what I've read on twitter.


    Goal disallowed that should have stood and Suarez missed 4-5 golden chances including striking the post.

    Since you didn't watch it I'd think taking the 3 points without assumptive comments wou...

    Oh wait, its Gate.

    Arsenal held their home. Long way to go before anything is settled though


    I just went by what I've read, when I am able to watch the full match I'll have a better idea on what happened.

    I have seen the highlights(can't really have an opinion on the whole match based on that) and about that disallowed goal, you mean the one where every Arsenal player stopped when the ref pulled play back? You're probably right the ref shouldn't have halted play there, but there isn't a guarantee you still would've scored if everyone kept playing.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:16 am
  • Gatehawk wrote:
    Uncle Si wrote:
    Gatehawk wrote:All week, all I heard from the media was how SAS would carve up the Arsenal defense and yet they got nothing. Arsenal win and thanks to Newcastle stunning Chelsea, Arsenal are now 5 points clear at the top heading into next week's match at Old Trafford.

    To be honest, I didn't see the match due to work, still am at work as I type this, all I have to go on is by what I've read on twitter.


    Goal disallowed that should have stood and Suarez missed 4-5 golden chances including striking the post.

    Since you didn't watch it I'd think taking the 3 points without assumptive comments wou...

    Oh wait, its Gate.

    Arsenal held their home. Long way to go before anything is settled though


    I just went by what I've read, when I am able to watch the full match I'll have a better idea on what happened.

    I have seen the highlights(can't really have an opinion on the whole match based on that) and about that disallowed goal, you mean the one where every Arsenal player stopped when the ref pulled play back? You're probably right the ref shouldn't have halted play there, but there isn't a guarantee you still would've scored if everyone kept playing.


    Nope. No guarantee. Still was clean through. Whistle never should have blown.

    Either way. Game went as I thought.we were hard pressed in the mid (but played better than I thought) and found chances to score. We just didn't take them.

    Arsenal did. All credit to Ramsey. Shame on Toure for not stepping.

    2-1 would have been fair. We needed to be better for a draw
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:17 am
  • Arsenal the better side on the day. Tough place to go and get a win, but as Simon says, long way to go before things are settled.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:30 pm
  • Uncle Si wrote:Nope. No guarantee. Still was clean through. Whistle never should have blown.

    Either way. Game went as I thought.we were hard pressed in the mid (but played better than I thought) and found chances to score. We just didn't take them.

    Arsenal did. All credit to Ramsey. Shame on Toure for not stepping.

    2-1 would have been fair. We needed to be better for a draw


    I thought it was gonna be 3-1 to Arsenal, like 2-1 late and then with Liverpool desperately trying to get that tying goal get caught on the counter and Arsenal got a 3rd, that didn't happen, but Arsenal won so I'm not upset about being wrong on that front.

    It's probably also fitting that Kolo Toure was the one that "should've done more" on the Ramsey goal, namely after the comments earlier in the week that he was gonna prove that Arsenal were wrong to let him go.

    I think this game actually showed that Liverpool aren't as good as everyone thought they were, I'm not saying they aren't good, but it's too blatantly obvious that they are extremely reliant on SAS, and in that match, they were kept off the board. They might(and I actually hope they will) be in contention for a Top 4 finish, but they just don't have enough to challenge for the title in my mind.

    I could be proven wrong, but they need to start spreading the wealth more. For example, Liverpool only have 4 different players score in the EPL in the first 10 matches, City have 7, Chelsea has 10(8 of which only have a single goal) and Arsenal have 10 too(5 of which have at least 2 goals). Liverpool are either gonna have to go back and get another scorer they can rely on(and hope Suarez is still there after January) or start to spreading the goal scoring burden, cause unless SAS both score 20-30 goals each, there isn't any way they can challenge for the title.
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Re: 2013-14 EPL Season
Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:38 pm
  • Something that I want to point out, that I believe is impressive to say the least, and I know some of you are gonna rip me about it. But Arsenal have posted a better first 10 games than they have in the 3 seasons in which they've won the Premier League title, including 10 years ago when the Invincibles ruled the league.
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