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 Post subject: Re: Sources: Clint Dempsey to Sounders
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So the Sounders are the New York Yankees of soccer??????



LA Galaxy are the New York Yankees of Soccer.


As I see it the league has two choices over the next five years....
1. Allow foreign clubs to fund the MLS as minor franchises to send, develop and mine young talent while nesting its aging heroes. Imagine the Sounders funded by Man United let's say

2. Crumble under its own I'll conceived perception of itself.

The MLS as it exists ( and wishes to grow) cannot sustain itself for much longer


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Smurf you've educated us all on the supporter groups over the years and the carnival atmosphere they've created.... I was surprised you mentioned them as a significant part of match build up. What will the other 60000 people do?

Just messing with you. Enjoy it. Should be amazing



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Uncle Si wrote:
Smurf wrote:
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So the Sounders are the New York Yankees of soccer??????



LA Galaxy are the New York Yankees of Soccer.


As I see it the league has two choices over the next five years....
1. Allow foreign clubs to fund the MLS as minor franchises to send, develop and mine young talent while nesting its aging heroes. Imagine the Sounders funded by Man United let's say

2. Crumble under its own I'll conceived perception of itself.

The MLS as it exists ( and wishes to grow) cannot sustain itself for much longer


MLS has been incredibly careful and smart with its growth. Almost every club has soccer specific stadiums now and cities are lining up for expansion. I don't think the league has ever been stronger and I don't get the ill-conceived perception part. Is it like English clubs believing that they're god's gift to the world, and that any self-importance beyond those leagues are wasted and delusional?

Speaking for myself, it's fun to catch a game every now and then from Europe, but they're not something I care about. Let them have their leagues and we'll keep ours. The last thing I want the Sounders to be is some farm team for London.

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I'm not mad that Seattle got Dempsey. What I don't like is that the league execs made up their own rules to trump existing rules, and are helping to PAY for a large market team to get a huge player...... For the good of the league. I'm sure Columbus will be the next team the MLS drops tens of millions to help bring in a superstar.

What's worse is that this is becoming common for the league. There's been a lot of ECS that are thrilled to get Dempsey, but feel that the league's actions were wrong and concerning.


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I'm not mad that Seattle got Dempsey. What I don't like is that the league execs made up their own rules to trump existing rules, and are helping to PAY for a large market team to get a huge player...... For the good of the league. I'm sure Columbus will be the next team the MLS drops tens of millions to help bring in a superstar.

What's worse is that this is becoming common for the league. There's been a lot of ECS that are thrilled to get Dempsey, but feel that the league's actions were wrong and concerning.


A DP is not part of the allocation process. I'm sure if Timbers fans keep beating the 'it's not fair' drum it'll gain some traction down in Portland, but like them and their HGP signings everyone else will move on.

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LA Galaxy are the New York Yankees of Soccer.


As I see it the league has two choices over the next five years....
1. Allow foreign clubs to fund the MLS as minor franchises to send, develop and mine young talent while nesting its aging heroes. Imagine the Sounders funded by Man United let's say

2. Crumble under its own I'll conceived perception of itself.

The MLS as it exists ( and wishes to grow) cannot sustain itself for much longer


MLS has been incredibly careful and smart with its growth. Almost every club has soccer specific stadiums now and cities are lining up for expansion. I don't think the league has ever been stronger and I don't get the ill-conceived perception part. Is it like English clubs believing that they're god's gift to the world, and that any self-importance beyond those leagues are wasted and delusional?

Speaking for myself, it's fun to catch a game every now and then from Europe, but they're not something I care about. Let them have their leagues and we'll keep ours. The last thing I want the Sounders to be is some farm team for London.


Gods gift huh? Wasted and delusional? Jesus, You got all that from my post? Weren't around the last time this league failed were you?

Ill conceived.... Moderate "niche" fan base.(don't get your diapers in a rumple over that before thinking what niche means). Expansion. Rising transfer expenditures and salary expectations. Yet no major TV deal, no major investors. Seen this before. This soccer thing isnt new to Seattle. We were pretty freaking passionate in the 70 s and 80s too.

Lose your chip kid. Its the MLS. Its grown (or is close to reaching) as big as it can on its current structure. It will need investment to keep growing. I'd like to see it happen. The fan base us there. Soccer has never been more popular in the US. Take advantage of it

The MLS is a farm league. Its best players (when it produces them) go to bigger leagues. Its not a big deal. Why not embrace it as a continuous symbiotic relationship. Youth soccer in America already is. The MLS academies ( including the Sounders) already work with top tier clubs.

I think foreign club partnership is the evolution of the MLS. I hope so at least.


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Gods gift huh? Wasted and delusional? Jesus, You got all that from my post? Weren't around the last time this league failed were you?

Ill conceived.... Moderate "niche" fan base.(don't get your diapers in a rumple over that before thinking what niche means). Expansion. Rising transfer expenditures and salary expectations. Yet no major TV deal, no major investors. Seen this before. This soccer thing isnt new to Seattle. We were pretty freaking passionate in the 70 s and 80s too.

Lose your chip kid. Its the MLS. Its grown (or is close to reaching) as big as it can on its current structure. It will need investment to keep growing. I'd like to see it happen. The fan base us there. Soccer has never been more popular in the US. Take advantage of it

The MLS is a farm league. Its best players (when it produces them) go to bigger leagues. Its not a big deal. Why not embrace it as a continuous symbiotic relationship. Youth soccer in America already is. The MLS academies ( including the Sounders) already work with top tier clubs.

I think foreign club partnership is the evolution of the MLS. I hope so at least.




TV Contracts are coming up following this season. That should make it super interesting. The League right now lacks the star power necessary to compete in a TV ratings market. Dempsey will have a large impact on that front (US Soccer fans love the hell out of Dempsey), but we could definitely use a few more "stars" in the league....and it would be great if we could produce a few of our own.

In a recent article i read it was brought up that Joe Roth (sounders majority owner) said: "Someone needs to splash the cash and buy Javier "Chicharito" Hernandez sooner rather than later." And I agree with him. Sure it may not be in a couple of years, but if the league can draw a player like Chicharito that would speak volumes about its rise, and also would draw some key demographics.

The TV side of things will get there, the product just needs to be better first, and that is being worked on as well.


One thing that IS concerning to me is expansion. There had better be some increases in Salary cap that comes along with making the league 24 teams by 2020...and a large increase. If you are going to dilute the talent pool that much in 7 years you have to be ready splash a little bit more cash to bring in that upper level of talent.

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You're up early Smurf.

Dempsey is a great story but I just don't see it having a major impact on the league. On the Sounders absolutely but fans in New York or Chicago or Salt Lake are not going to race out to the park because Dempsey's there.

I think you understand where I'm coming from Smurf. TV contracts need to generate viewer ship then advertising or they fail. Its happened to the MLS before. And now that the PL is expanding its viewer ship even more here (I see it as a 2 game a week schedule within 2 years) the MLS is now competing with the top English clubs more than ever.

And this to me is the real issue. Talent will help. But the best players wont be in the MLS in their prime. So saying the product needs to be better ignores the basis of tge MLS altogether. The game could use better players sure but the MLS popularity is banking on the experience more than the play. I think the MLS would be better off reigning under the PL as partners than trying to go head to head. Allow good young players to develop here then send them off. Take the soon to be retirees.

Imagine the Sounders getting Liverpool to send Ibe and Sterling and Suso to the MLS together for two years. Then get Gerrard and a Kuyt or Alonso when they're ready to leave the top league?


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I'm not mad that Seattle got Dempsey. What I don't like is that the league execs made up their own rules to trump existing rules, and are helping to PAY for a large market team to get a huge player...... For the good of the league. I'm sure Columbus will be the next team the MLS drops tens of millions to help bring in a superstar.

What's worse is that this is becoming common for the league. There's been a lot of ECS that are thrilled to get Dempsey, but feel that the league's actions were wrong and concerning.


A DP is not part of the allocation process. I'm sure if Timbers fans keep beating the 'it's not fair' drum it'll gain some traction down in Portland, but like them and their HGP signings everyone else will move on.


Sounders fans can keep repeating the DP excuse (though it was more of another kind of DP to the rest of the league), but it's still the MLS ignoring its own rules about allocation. Embrace the fact that the MLS did it just for you because they have a vested interest in a playoff Seattle team, but don't try and play it off as something it isn't.

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I'm not mad that Seattle got Dempsey. What I don't like is that the league execs made up their own rules to trump existing rules, and are helping to PAY for a large market team to get a huge player...... For the good of the league. I'm sure Columbus will be the next team the MLS drops tens of millions to help bring in a superstar.

What's worse is that this is becoming common for the league. There's been a lot of ECS that are thrilled to get Dempsey, but feel that the league's actions were wrong and concerning.


A DP is not part of the allocation process. I'm sure if Timbers fans keep beating the 'it's not fair' drum it'll gain some traction down in Portland, but like them and their HGP signings everyone else will move on.


I understand that the league keeps repeating "DPs are not part of the allocation process" over and over and over again. The problem is that if you read the rules regarding DPs, Dempsey does not qualify as a DP. I'm not trying to be snarky, but explain how Dempsey actually qualifies as a DP other than the league bending the rules and calling him one. Then there's the whole issue of the League paying the $9 million transfer fee for Seattle....

Don't get me wrong, I think that having Dempsey in the league is great for US soccer. I'm a big fan. I'm not even sure that Portland would have paid the money for him, and he still might have ended up in Seattle regardless, but the process was super shady. And the issue isn't Seattle, the issue is the the lack of consistency and transparency in the league.


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Gods gift huh? Wasted and delusional? Jesus, You got all that from my post? Weren't around the last time this league failed were you?

Ill conceived.... Moderate "niche" fan base.(don't get your diapers in a rumple over that before thinking what niche means). Expansion. Rising transfer expenditures and salary expectations. Yet no major TV deal, no major investors. Seen this before. This soccer thing isnt new to Seattle. We were pretty freaking passionate in the 70 s and 80s too.

Lose your chip kid. Its the MLS. Its grown (or is close to reaching) as big as it can on its current structure. It will need investment to keep growing. I'd like to see it happen. The fan base us there. Soccer has never been more popular in the US. Take advantage of it

The MLS is a farm league. Its best players (when it produces them) go to bigger leagues. Its not a big deal. Why not embrace it as a continuous symbiotic relationship. Youth soccer in America already is. The MLS academies ( including the Sounders) already work with top tier clubs.

I think foreign club partnership is the evolution of the MLS. I hope so at least.


Kid/diapers? That actually makes me laugh a little. It's true I wasn't around in the 70's. It's also true that there are others more heavily invested in the future of soccer. I can respect that.

No one will argue MLS is small time. The only people who seem to have a problem with that are those who love the European game. That's fine. I just don't see the pinnacle of soccer in the US being parented to a bunch of fiscally irresponsible teams in Europe. It's not like their leagues don't have their own problems, or that clubs don't disappear from terrible management. I'll just leave it at this: I think having ambitious owners like Joe Roth and Merritt Paulson does more for soccer here than Manchester City will for NYCFC. I guess we'll see in five years, because MLS will still be here--rough around the edges and stupid in some ways. Just like every other league in the world.

Zerohero, I don't understand how he's not a DP. He's being paid like one. He was brought into the league like one. There are 3 ways to enter MLS: Allocation, DP, Discovery. I think Dempsey was clearly brought in as a DP, but maybe I'm missing something. I won't argue MLS has convoluted rules. Honestly, I'm too happy to get worked up about it. A Timbers fan won't have that perspective. I'll just tip my hat to you guys down South. Great hire for coach and I guess the race is on for who gets the 1st MLS Cup. I can tell you the bragging rights will be unbearable. As more of a fan than a supporter I passively root for and follow the other two Cascadia teams. Good luck.

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You're up early Smurf.

Dempsey is a great story but I just don't see it having a major impact on the league. On the Sounders absolutely but fans in New York or Chicago or Salt Lake are not going to race out to the park because Dempsey's there.

I think you understand where I'm coming from Smurf. TV contracts need to generate viewer ship then advertising or they fail. Its happened to the MLS before. And now that the PL is expanding its viewer ship even more here (I see it as a 2 game a week schedule within 2 years) the MLS is now competing with the top English clubs more than ever.

And this to me is the real issue. Talent will help. But the best players wont be in the MLS in their prime. So saying the product needs to be better ignores the basis of tge MLS altogether. The game could use better players sure but the MLS popularity is banking on the experience more than the play. I think the MLS would be better off reigning under the PL as partners than trying to go head to head. Allow good young players to develop here then send them off. Take the soon to be retirees.

Imagine the Sounders getting Liverpool to send Ibe and Sterling and Suso to the MLS together for two years. Then get Gerrard and a Kuyt or Alonso when they're ready to leave the top league?



Yeah, have super early shifts at work this week for some training so i did some Early morning .Netting to get my brain thinking.


As far as MLS and Dempsey's impact, I think you're underestimating it a bit, and I think I am over estimating it a tad as well. If that makes sense. I think Dempsey will get people in the seats. Ticket sales of Sounder away game have gone up about 15-20% since he was signed. Thats fairly significant.

That plan would be great....if i din't have such a problem with being a procieved feeder club. Thats not what I want. I don't want the league to turn into a glorified Ajax.

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I'm not mad that Seattle got Dempsey. What I don't like is that the league execs made up their own rules to trump existing rules, and are helping to PAY for a large market team to get a huge player...... For the good of the league. I'm sure Columbus will be the next team the MLS drops tens of millions to help bring in a superstar.

What's worse is that this is becoming common for the league. There's been a lot of ECS that are thrilled to get Dempsey, but feel that the league's actions were wrong and concerning.


A DP is not part of the allocation process. I'm sure if Timbers fans keep beating the 'it's not fair' drum it'll gain some traction down in Portland, but like them and their HGP signings everyone else will move on.


Sounders fans can keep repeating the DP excuse (though it was more of another kind of DP to the rest of the league), but it's still the MLS ignoring its own rules about allocation. Embrace the fact that the MLS did it just for you because they have a vested interest in a playoff Seattle team, but don't try and play it off as something it isn't.




Its not sounders fans....Its the league.

They cited the 2006 Reyna DP signing to NYRB...there is a precedent for a USMNT player coming home as a DP and not going through the allocation process....Even the Timbers army has said he wasn't upset about how it went down and felt the rules were understood well by everyone internally. It's unlikely the Timbers would have even paid the $32 million to Dempsey either, even if htey had wanted him, he was too expensive. There were only 3 teams in MLS that wanted him, LA, Seattle and Toronto...


If you want to be upset about something, be upset that the league paid the transfer fee for Dempsey ($9 Million) not the team.

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I'm not mad that Seattle got Dempsey. What I don't like is that the league execs made up their own rules to trump existing rules, and are helping to PAY for a large market team to get a huge player...... For the good of the league. I'm sure Columbus will be the next team the MLS drops tens of millions to help bring in a superstar.

What's worse is that this is becoming common for the league. There's been a lot of ECS that are thrilled to get Dempsey, but feel that the league's actions were wrong and concerning.


A DP is not part of the allocation process. I'm sure if Timbers fans keep beating the 'it's not fair' drum it'll gain some traction down in Portland, but like them and their HGP signings everyone else will move on.


I understand that the league keeps repeating "DPs are not part of the allocation process" over and over and over again. The problem is that if you read the rules regarding DPs, Dempsey does not qualify as a DP. I'm not trying to be snarky, but explain how Dempsey actually qualifies as a DP other than the league bending the rules and calling him one. Then there's the whole issue of the League paying the $9 million transfer fee for Seattle....

Don't get me wrong, I think that having Dempsey in the league is great for US soccer. I'm a big fan. I'm not even sure that Portland would have paid the money for him, and he still might have ended up in Seattle regardless, but the process was super shady. And the issue isn't Seattle, the issue is the the lack of consistency and transparency in the league.



Does Dempsey's contract qualify him as a DP?

Yes.

End. Of. Story.

You cannot come into the league via multiple channels. The contract offered was that of a DP, not a player via allocation (See: Bocanegra)

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Fuzz man you're very much missing the point. This isn't an indictment on the MLS. You can play the defensive soccer fan that's fine. But the MLS obviously wants to grow. That growth is leading to expansion, higher wages and now an astounding transfer fee.... I imagine Dempsey's move will spur more of the same.

But can the landscape of soccer fandom in the US support a growing MLS? Hard to say. The Europeans are obviously aware the market exists here and are pushing into it hard.

Its not just TV deals with Fox and ESPN (which ultimately steal opportunities for the MLS). 8 major clubs in Europe are owned by Americans.

Chelsea Bayern Arsenal Club America Real Madrid and Man City all have youth academies here in the US with United and Liverpool working similar deals.
My club is working with West Ham (I don't know why....)

So don't be so defensive about what I'm suggesting. I grew up a Sounders fan. Watched George Best, Canaglia, Pele, Beckenbauer play here.

European soccer is coming hard and fast to the US. They see how ready the nation is to embrace the game and how much money is here. Can the MLS thrive under that competition? Why not embrace it back. I've got a strong feeling they will. The Rapids are already partnered with Arsenal. Sporting with Bayern. More will come. And soon.

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A DP is not part of the allocation process. I'm sure if Timbers fans keep beating the 'it's not fair' drum it'll gain some traction down in Portland, but like them and their HGP signings everyone else will move on.


I understand that the league keeps repeating "DPs are not part of the allocation process" over and over and over again. The problem is that if you read the rules regarding DPs, Dempsey does not qualify as a DP. I'm not trying to be snarky, but explain how Dempsey actually qualifies as a DP other than the league bending the rules and calling him one. Then there's the whole issue of the League paying the $9 million transfer fee for Seattle....

Don't get me wrong, I think that having Dempsey in the league is great for US soccer. I'm a big fan. I'm not even sure that Portland would have paid the money for him, and he still might have ended up in Seattle regardless, but the process was super shady. And the issue isn't Seattle, the issue is the the lack of consistency and transparency in the league.



Does Dempsey's contract qualify him as a DP?

Yes.

End. Of. Story.

You cannot come into the league via multiple channels. The contract offered was that of a DP, not a player via allocation (See: Bocanegra)


Congratulations, his contract isn't part of the written rules. The fact that he's a former MLS player and USMNT player is. You're skipping step 1 of where this should have began, and your proofs begging the question by assuming the DP designation was correct and then setting out to 'prove' it. Saying End. Of. 5 times doesn't make your argument any less fallacious.

Also, see that Bocanegra has to go through the allocation process which meant Chivas had to trade up for him. As the Sounders should have had to do with Portland. Surprise!

Anyway, this my last post on this subject because Seattle fans have already started to rationalize their peachy position with the MLS. I guess it makes sense. They can set you up as the Boston Red Sox to LA's New York Yankees and in the process fill all the seats at Century Link by keeping your team relevant, so why not bend the rules for money? (This is why the paid your transfer fee, btw.) Fortunately, deep down, if Seattle wins anything with Dempsey, everyone is going to know in their hearts that it was done illicitly, and that includes Sounders fans.

P.S. The Timbers Army is not 'fine' with this. The crowd at the Vancouver game was rabid and my Facebook feed has been blowing up.

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Weird...I left a bowl of sour grapes laying around in the Portland area but all that I could find left was the bowl.

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Weird...I left a bowl of sour grapes laying around in the Portland area but all that I could find left was the bowl.


Do you disagree Seattle got preferential treatment and the league skirted a handful of policies to get Dempsey to Seattle?


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Weird...I left a bowl of sour grapes laying around in the Portland area but all that I could find left was the bowl.


Do you disagree Seattle got preferential treatment and the league skirted a handful of policies to get Dempsey to Seattle?


An argument could certainly be made that paying the transfer fee is suspect, if that's indeed what happened. But...I don't know how many times this needs to be said, and it'll be my last time, but DPs enter the league differently. Both Eddie Johnson and Bocanegro entered the league as non-DPs, thus they went through the Allocation process. Even Paulson tweeted that the rules were followed as the owners understand them. Players have entered the league before in the same manner, so... :| . Some won't ever accept the explanation. I certainly couldn't be more happy with the way things went, but that's the difference of a couple hundred miles.

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Fuzzman55 wrote:
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Weird...I left a bowl of sour grapes laying around in the Portland area but all that I could find left was the bowl.


Do you disagree Seattle got preferential treatment and the league skirted a handful of policies to get Dempsey to Seattle?


An argument could certainly be made that paying the transfer fee is suspect, if that's indeed what happened. But...I don't know how many times this needs to be said, and it'll be my last time, but DPs enter the league differently. Both Eddie Johnson and Bocanegro entered the league as non-DPs, thus they went through the Allocation process. Even Paulson tweeted that the rules were followed as the owners understand them. Players have entered the league before in the same manner, so... :| . Some won't ever accept the explanation. I certainly couldn't be more happy with the way things went, but that's the difference of a couple hundred miles.


Well put... (I'm just trying to get more Sounders fans to justify it to piss off more Timbers fans)


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Well put... (I'm just trying to get more Sounders fans to justify it to piss off more Timbers fans)


Ha, nice! I'm honestly trying not to tweak Timbers fans, as I like the good-natured rivalry but am not a fan of anything beyond that.

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It's the first part of the DP rules....a player who makes more than x is DP. Dempsey makes more than x....is a DP.


Being a DP skips all other methods of entering the league (allocation and discovery). Its right there in the rules. NYRB did it with Reyna, we did it with Dempsey...if you want to go get Michael Bradley or Jozy...by all means, pony up and pay them. I have no doubt the league will pay your fee too.

Seriously. No rules were broken or skated around. Thats a fact.

The league paying the transfer fee is a little odd, but it makes sense. Its an investment in the league. As MLS fans its hard to be upset at that.

Tell your FO you want a player like Dempsey and I'm sure they will work on getting you one. Talent is to be had, it just costs $$$$

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It's the first part of the DP rules....a player who makes more than x is DP. Dempsey makes more than x....is a DP.


Being a DP skips all other methods of entering the league (allocation and discovery). Its right there in the rules. NYRB did it with Reyna, we did it with Dempsey...if you want to go get Michael Bradley or Jozy...by all means, pony up and pay them. I have no doubt the league will pay your fee too.

Seriously. No rules were broken or skated around. Thats a fact.

The league paying the transfer fee is a little odd, but it makes sense. Its an investment in the league. As MLS fans its hard to be upset at that.

Tell your FO you want a player like Dempsey and I'm sure they will work on getting you one. Talent is to be had, it just costs $$$$


Designated Player rules:

B) DESIGNATED PLAYER
The Designated Player Rule allows clubs to acquire up to three players whose salaries exceed their budget charges, with the club bearing financial responsibility for the amount of compensation above each player’s budget charge. Designated Player slots may be used to acquire players new to MLS or to retain current MLS players, subject to League approval.

In 2012, a Designated Player over the age of 23** will carry a salary budget charge of $350,000, unless the player joins his club in the middle of the season, in which case his budget charge will be $175,000.

A Designated Player 20 years old or younger** counts as $150,000 against the club’s salary budget and a Designated Player 21-23 years old counts as $200,000 against the club’s salary budget.

Clubs have the option of “buying down” the budget charge of a Designated Player with allocation money. The reduced charge may not be less than $150,000.

The budget charge for the midseason signing of a young Designated Player (23 years old and younger) is $150,000 and this amount cannot be lowered with allocation funds.

Each club has two Designated Player slots and clubs are allowed to “purchase” a third Designated Player slot for a one-time fee of $250,000 that will be dispersed in the form of allocation money to all clubs that do not have three Designated Players. Clubs will not have to buy the third DP roster slot to accommodate Designated Players 23 years old and younger.

Designated Player slots are not tradable.

** Age of player is determined by year (not date) of birth.


Not in there. So, you're the one who has to source your claim.

Reyna was not a former MLS player. Keep reaching.

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CurryStopstheRuns wrote:
Weird...I left a bowl of sour grapes laying around in the Portland area but all that I could find left was the bowl.


Do you disagree Seattle got preferential treatment and the league skirted a handful of policies to get Dempsey to Seattle?


Yes, the Sounders were given preferential treatment when the league paid the transfer fee but according to Deuce the only other teams in the mix were Toronto and LA. Portland can only afford one DP so they never stood a chance.

If the Timber's bitches and whines were nickels and dimes they could afford two more DP's

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CurryStopstheRuns wrote:
Uncle Si wrote:
CurryStopstheRuns wrote:
Weird...I left a bowl of sour grapes laying around in the Portland area but all that I could find left was the bowl.


Do you disagree Seattle got preferential treatment and the league skirted a handful of policies to get Dempsey to Seattle?


Yes, the Sounders were given preferential treatment when the league paid the transfer fee but according to Deuce the only other teams in the mix were Toronto and LA. Portland can only afford one DP so they never stood a chance.

If the Timber's bitches and whines were nickels and dimes they could afford two more DP's


See... It worked. OK Timbers fans your turn


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It's the first part of the DP rules....a player who makes more than x is DP. Dempsey makes more than x....is a DP.


Being a DP skips all other methods of entering the league (allocation and discovery). Its right there in the rules. NYRB did it with Reyna, we did it with Dempsey...if you want to go get Michael Bradley or Jozy...by all means, pony up and pay them. I have no doubt the league will pay your fee too.

Seriously. No rules were broken or skated around. Thats a fact.

The league paying the transfer fee is a little odd, but it makes sense. Its an investment in the league. As MLS fans its hard to be upset at that.

Tell your FO you want a player like Dempsey and I'm sure they will work on getting you one. Talent is to be had, it just costs $$$$


Designated Player rules:

B) DESIGNATED PLAYER
The Designated Player Rule allows clubs to acquire up to three players whose salaries exceed their budget charges, with the club bearing financial responsibility for the amount of compensation above each player’s budget charge. Designated Player slots may be used to acquire players new to MLS or to retain current MLS players, subject to League approval.

In 2012, a Designated Player over the age of 23** will carry a salary budget charge of $350,000, unless the player joins his club in the middle of the season, in which case his budget charge will be $175,000.

A Designated Player 20 years old or younger** counts as $150,000 against the club’s salary budget and a Designated Player 21-23 years old counts as $200,000 against the club’s salary budget.

Clubs have the option of “buying down” the budget charge of a Designated Player with allocation money. The reduced charge may not be less than $150,000.

The budget charge for the midseason signing of a young Designated Player (23 years old and younger) is $150,000 and this amount cannot be lowered with allocation funds.

Each club has two Designated Player slots and clubs are allowed to “purchase” a third Designated Player slot for a one-time fee of $250,000 that will be dispersed in the form of allocation money to all clubs that do not have three Designated Players. Clubs will not have to buy the third DP roster slot to accommodate Designated Players 23 years old and younger.

Designated Player slots are not tradable.

** Age of player is determined by year (not date) of birth.


Not in there. So, you're the one who has to source your claim.

Reyna was not a former MLS player. Keep reaching.



Not reaching at all. I'm fairly comfortable knowing that the people in charge of the franchises know the rules...and i explained the rules as they are, and work. sorry thats not good enough for you....but acting like you've been wronged is just inaccurate.

Your poor little club would of had to pass on Dempsey anyway cause they couldn't afford him.

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Weird...I left a bowl of sour grapes laying around in the Portland area but all that I could find left was the bowl.


Do you disagree Seattle got preferential treatment and the league skirted a handful of policies to get Dempsey to Seattle?


Yes, the Sounders were given preferential treatment when the league paid the transfer fee but according to Deuce the only other teams in the mix were Toronto and LA. Portland can only afford one DP so they never stood a chance.

If the Timber's bitches and whines were nickels and dimes they could afford two more DP's



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Seeing our little sister Portland getting all worked up is kinda gettin' me all hot for this soccer thing.


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Yes, the Sounders were given preferential treatment when the league paid the transfer fee but according to Deuce the only other teams in the mix were Toronto and LA. Portland can only afford one DP so they never stood a chance.

If the Timber's bitches and whines were nickels and dimes they could afford two more DP's



omg i love you.


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Seeing our little sister Portland getting all worked up is kinda gettin' me all hot for this soccer thing.


Right?

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Seeing our little sister Portland getting all worked up is kinda gettin' me all hot for this soccer thing.


Right?


I guess if I were them, I would be a little upset as well. But Clint Dempsey never wanted to go to Portland.


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