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Baseball headed for extinction
Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:52 pm
  • I was taking to my friend adn we both agreed that baseball is slowly going into extinction. Anybody else agree with this?

    empty stadiums, boring game, best athletes are playing other sports, etc.
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:11 pm
  • bubbrubb wrote:I was taking to my friend adn we both agreed that baseball is slowly going into extinction. Anybody else agree with this?

    empty stadiums, boring game, best athletes are playing other sports, etc.


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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:59 pm
  • It absolutely is not.

    List of attendance figures at domestic professional sports leagues:
    National Football League 254 67,358[6][7][8] 17,124,389
    Bundesliga Association 306 45,179[11] 13,805,496
    Premier League 380 34,601 13,148,465[13]
    Major League Baseball 2,421 30,884[2] 74,859,268
    La Liga 380 30,275 11,504,567
    Nippon Professional Baseball846 25,626[3] 21,679,596

    Those are the top 6 in average attendance per game/match/whatever.

    1 Football, 3 Soccer, 2 Baseball.

    Baseball has great players, gets on TV, is talked about on sports radio and has an international following.

    You and your friend are both very very very ill-informed.
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:05 pm
  • Baseball cares a ton more about TV than they do actual asses in the stands. According to them, TV numbers are great.
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:16 pm
  • Well i think its growing everywhere except for North America. I dont think im ill-informed, moreso have a different opinion?
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:19 pm
  • Baseball to me is boring as hell and I don't care to watch it personally, but there will always be baseball fans and it will remain a viable sport. Although i'm not sure you can still call it "America's pastime" as it used to be known.
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:41 pm
  • Not just. But once my generation (I'm 31) is dead and gone, yes, I can see it. I know every generation thinks the one following them is crazy and different. But really, the level of ADD of kids being born today is going to be so insane through the roof, I can't see how baseball can continue past the age of us old fogies who remember the days when there was no internet.
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:21 am
  • Like Football and Basketball, the Free Agency aspect has cost allegiance of fans, yes attendence is still good now, but teams don't have the identity they once did. I think the Free agency while good for players will eventually make everything vanilla, iconic players are getting more and more rare to witness have a long career. Those are the players that make leagues successful.
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:52 am
  • Dodgers had well over 200,000 for a 4 game series with Colo. before the break, hardly extinct.
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:46 am
  • I think it depends on where you live that may give you that idea. My cousin lives in Spokane and swears the same. Go to Cincinnati, St. Louis and say the same. L.A. is the second largest media market in the US with no NFL and the Dodgers and Anaheim both have good baseball attendance and huge TV contracts.
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:26 pm
  • Disagree entirely. Impossible to predict what is going to happen 50 years from now, but I doubt MLB will fold within our lifetimes. The NFL is more popular for certain, but the NBA and NHL both have a very long way to go to compete with MLB.
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:59 pm
  • SeaTown81 wrote:Not just. But once my generation (I'm 31) is dead and gone, yes, I can see it. I know every generation thinks the one following them is crazy and different. But really, the level of ADD of kids being born today is going to be so insane through the roof, I can't see how baseball can continue past the age of us old fogies who remember the days when there was no internet.



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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:34 pm
  • sc85sis wrote:I find baseball way more interesting at the park than on TV usually.

    Much better game in person for sure, especially on a warm evening.
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:41 am
  • SonicHawk wrote:It absolutely is not.

    List of attendance figures at domestic professional sports leagues:
    National Football League 254 67,358[6][7][8] 17,124,389
    Bundesliga Association 306 45,179[11] 13,805,496
    Premier League 380 34,601 13,148,465[13]
    Major League Baseball 2,421 30,884[2] 74,859,268
    La Liga 380 30,275 11,504,567
    Nippon Professional Baseball846 25,626[3] 21,679,596

    Those are the top 6 in average attendance per game/match/whatever.

    1 Football, 3 Soccer, 2 Baseball.

    Baseball has great players, gets on TV, is talked about on sports radio and has an international following.

    You and your friend are both very very very ill-informed.


    There's also a hell of a lot more games in baseball, so the sum total is higher than the individual game #s
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:04 pm
  • Lords of Scythia wrote:
    SonicHawk wrote:It absolutely is not.

    List of attendance figures at domestic professional sports leagues:
    National Football League 254 67,358[6][7][8] 17,124,389
    Bundesliga Association 306 45,179[11] 13,805,496
    Premier League 380 34,601 13,148,465[13]
    Major League Baseball 2,421 30,884[2] 74,859,268
    La Liga 380 30,275 11,504,567
    Nippon Professional Baseball846 25,626[3] 21,679,596

    Those are the top 6 in average attendance per game/match/whatever.

    1 Football, 3 Soccer, 2 Baseball.

    Baseball has great players, gets on TV, is talked about on sports radio and has an international following.

    You and your friend are both very very very ill-informed.


    There's also a hell of a lot more games in baseball, so the sum total is higher than the individual game #s


    I'm sorry you can't read but this is based off AVERAGE attendance.
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:22 pm
  • and also the fact that baseball tix are extremely cheap relative to other sports. Once the nostalgic older generation dies off, baseball will be below MLS and others. That being said, went to my first MLS game with my cousin who is in Timbers Army....what an experience! I was a soccer hater for so long....now thats a sport on the rise.
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:37 pm
  • SonicHawk wrote:
    Lords of Scythia wrote:
    SonicHawk wrote:It absolutely is not.

    List of attendance figures at domestic professional sports leagues:
    National Football League 254 67,358[6][7][8] 17,124,389
    Bundesliga Association 306 45,179[11] 13,805,496
    Premier League 380 34,601 13,148,465[13]
    Major League Baseball 2,421 30,884[2] 74,859,268
    La Liga 380 30,275 11,504,567
    Nippon Professional Baseball846 25,626[3] 21,679,596

    Those are the top 6 in average attendance per game/match/whatever.

    1 Football, 3 Soccer, 2 Baseball.

    Baseball has great players, gets on TV, is talked about on sports radio and has an international following.

    You and your friend are both very very very ill-informed.


    There's also a hell of a lot more games in baseball, so the sum total is higher than the individual game #s


    I'm sorry you can't read but this is based off AVERAGE attendance.


    I can read. You said: "Those are the top 6 in average attendance per game/match/whatever." Reformulate your point.
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:11 pm
  • bubbrubb wrote:and also the fact that baseball tix are extremely cheap relative to other sports. Once the nostalgic older generation dies off, baseball will be below MLS and others. That being said, went to my first MLS game with my cousin who is in Timbers Army....what an experience! I was a soccer hater for so long....now thats a sport on the rise.


    Try watching it on TV.
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:58 pm
  • sc85sis wrote:I find baseball way more interesting at the park than on TV usually.


    I never developed a taste for baseball until I got older and started going to watch the Spokane Indians play single A ball. Baseball is one of the few sports that can be appreciated on every level by fans, from the lowest level through to MLB. Beer, peanuts, sound of the bat hitting the ball, beautiful weather--it's great! Especially in Eastern WA, with the crap winters we have. Baseball says "summer" and I look forward to it all offseason.

    CALIHAWK1 wrote:I think it depends on where you live that may give you that idea. My cousin lives in Spokane and swears the same. Go to Cincinnati, St. Louis and say the same. L.A. is the second largest media market in the US with no NFL and the Dodgers and Anaheim both have good baseball attendance and huge TV contracts.


    I think your cousin needs to attend more Indians games! ;)
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:46 pm
  • CALIHAWK1 wrote:
    bubbrubb wrote:and also the fact that baseball tix are extremely cheap relative to other sports. Once the nostalgic older generation dies off, baseball will be below MLS and others. That being said, went to my first MLS game with my cousin who is in Timbers Army....what an experience! I was a soccer hater for so long....now thats a sport on the rise.


    Try watching it on TV.



    I have. I appreciate it on TV alot more after going in person.
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:15 pm
  • bubbrubb wrote:
    CALIHAWK1 wrote:
    bubbrubb wrote:and also the fact that baseball tix are extremely cheap relative to other sports. Once the nostalgic older generation dies off, baseball will be below MLS and others. That being said, went to my first MLS game with my cousin who is in Timbers Army....what an experience! I was a soccer hater for so long....now thats a sport on the rise.


    Try watching it on TV.



    I have. I appreciate it on TV alot more after going in person.



    Okay. Please explain why.
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Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:16 pm
  • Trenchbroom wrote:
    sc85sis wrote:I find baseball way more interesting at the park than on TV usually.


    I never developed a taste for baseball until I got older and started going to watch the Spokane Indians play single A ball. Baseball is one of the few sports that can be appreciated on every level by fans, from the lowest level through to MLB. Beer, peanuts, sound of the bat hitting the ball, beautiful weather--it's great! Especially in Eastern WA, with the crap winters we have. Baseball says "summer" and I look forward to it all offseason.

    CALIHAWK1 wrote:I think it depends on where you live that may give you that idea. My cousin lives in Spokane and swears the same. Go to Cincinnati, St. Louis and say the same. L.A. is the second largest media market in the US with no NFL and the Dodgers and Anaheim both have good baseball attendance and huge TV contracts.


    I think your cousin needs to attend more Indians games! ;)



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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:13 pm
  • I wonder how much longer the NFL can attract the top athletes with concussions, injuries, non-guaranteed contracts, and a really short average career. Baseball seems like a smarter decision.
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Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:19 pm
  • pinksheets wrote:I wonder how much longer the NFL can attract the top athletes with concussions, injuries, non-guaranteed contracts, and a really short average career. Baseball seems like a smarter decision.



    That's what I don't get and can't explain.
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:24 am
  • bubbrubb wrote:
    CALIHAWK1 wrote:
    bubbrubb wrote:and also the fact that baseball tix are extremely cheap relative to other sports. Once the nostalgic older generation dies off, baseball will be below MLS and others. That being said, went to my first MLS game with my cousin who is in Timbers Army....what an experience! I was a soccer hater for so long....now thats a sport on the rise.



    I have. I appreciate it on TV alot more after going in person.



    Okay. Please explain why.


    Because I enjoyed the atmosphere at the game and it made me feel more inclined to follow the league, even if its on TV.

    Yes I agree with football being at a crossroads too. But baseball just isn't cool anymore. There are no athletes I look up to in baseball...BRaun is like 205lbs, McCutcheon same deal.....I just dont take baseball seriously. They act like they're elite athletes but they ain't.....ok ill show Harper some love, but other than that nada....

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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:53 am
  • CALIHAWK1 wrote:
    pinksheets wrote:I wonder how much longer the NFL can attract the top athletes with concussions, injuries, non-guaranteed contracts, and a really short average career. Baseball seems like a smarter decision.



    That's what I don't get and can't explain.


    Because football is easier. Granted, the NFL is a bunch of ridiculous athletic freaks who are incredibly talented at the sport they play... but in High School? Athleticism goes a lot longer than most sports. In basketball you have to put the ball in the hole, in baseball you have to swing and hit a ball thrown from 60 feet travelling at 80-90MPH. In football? Run away from people or hit someone.

    Football's also the biggest sport in high school. In high school we'd play in front of a 1,000 people, a baseball game would get like 150? Even in college the baseball team hardly brought 250 people.
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:09 pm
  • SonicHawk wrote:
    CALIHAWK1 wrote:
    pinksheets wrote:I wonder how much longer the NFL can attract the top athletes with concussions, injuries, non-guaranteed contracts, and a really short average career. Baseball seems like a smarter decision.



    That's what I don't get and can't explain.


    Because football is easier. Granted, the NFL is a bunch of ridiculous athletic freaks who are incredibly talented at the sport they play... but in High School? Athleticism goes a lot longer than most sports. In basketball you have to put the ball in the hole, in baseball you have to swing and hit a ball thrown from 60 feet travelling at 80-90MPH. In football? Run away from people or hit someone.

    Football's also the biggest sport in high school. In high school we'd play in front of a 1,000 people, a baseball game would get like 150? Even in college the baseball team hardly brought 250 people.


    No I understand all that. I use a similar argument against the soccer crowd. They say soccee is fastest growing. I say until those boys get to high school and want to get......

    What I was getting at here with baseball is why is it not popular here in the inner cities anymore or anywhere in America for that matter? Look at the monster deals and career longevity of baseball players compared to football. Why isn't MLB shouting that from the top of every mountain?
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:23 pm
  • SonicHawk wrote:
    Lords of Scythia wrote:
    SonicHawk wrote:It absolutely is not.

    List of attendance figures at domestic professional sports leagues:
    National Football League 254 67,358[6][7][8] 17,124,389
    Bundesliga Association 306 45,179[11] 13,805,496
    Premier League 380 34,601 13,148,465[13]
    Major League Baseball 2,421 30,884[2] 74,859,268
    La Liga 380 30,275 11,504,567
    Nippon Professional Baseball846 25,626[3] 21,679,596

    Those are the top 6 in average attendance per game/match/whatever.

    1 Football, 3 Soccer, 2 Baseball.

    Baseball has great players, gets on TV, is talked about on sports radio and has an international following.

    You and your friend are both very very very ill-informed.


    There's also a hell of a lot more games in baseball, so the sum total is higher than the individual game #s


    I'm sorry you can't read but this is based off AVERAGE attendance.


    I'm not trying to be a dick, but the numbers you posted are pretty much nonsensical in this format. What the heck does each column of numbers mean? Why are there random numbers posted in brackets?
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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:17 pm
  • bubbrubb wrote:
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    CALIHAWK1 wrote:[quote="bubbrubb"]and also the fact that baseball tix are extremely cheap relative to other sports. Once the nostalgic older generation dies off, baseball will be below MLS and others. That being said, went to my first MLS game with my cousin who is in Timbers Army....what an experience! I was a soccer hater for so long....now thats a sport on the rise.



    I have. I appreciate it on TV alot more after going in person.



    Okay. Please explain why.


    Because I enjoyed the atmosphere at the game and it made me feel more inclined to follow the league, even if its on TV.

    Yes I agree with football being at a crossroads too. But baseball just isn't cool anymore. There are no athletes I look up to in baseball...BRaun is like 205lbs, McCutcheon same deal.....I just dont take baseball seriously. They act like they're elite athletes but they ain't.....ok ill show Harper some love, but other than that nada....

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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:19 pm
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    bubbrubb wrote:[quote="CALIHAWK1"][quote="bubbrubb"]and also the fact that baseball tix are extremely cheap relative to other sports. Once the nostalgic older generation dies off, baseball will be below MLS and others. That being said, went to my first MLS game with my cousin who is in Timbers Army....what an experience! I was a soccer hater for so long....now thats a sport on the rise.



    I have. I appreciate it on TV alot more after going in person.



    Okay. Please explain why.


    Because I enjoyed the atmosphere at the game and it made me feel more inclined to follow the league, even if its on TV.

    Yes I agree with football being at a crossroads too. But baseball just isn't cool anymore. There are no athletes I look up to in baseball...BRaun is like 205lbs, McCutcheon same deal.....I just dont take baseball seriously. They act like they're elite athletes but they ain't.....ok ill show Harper some love, but other than that nada....

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Re: Baseball headed for extinction
Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:45 am
  • Baseball is a thinking man's game, like football. In the internet age where fantasy sports is all the rage, I think there will always be a market for baseball, which is still America's #2 sport. What might surprise you is that baseball is more popular than college football (sort of - the NFL cannibalizes college football's popularity numbers, I'm sure) and has a much larger lead on the NBA and NHL than you might have guessed.

    I don't find baseball boring, but then again, I always watch on DVR and fast forward between pitches. So maybe it is boring. But on DVR, I enjoy watching a good baseball team quite a lot. Watching a team with a terrible offense is torture though.

    I love the explosive nature of baseball. Games can turn very quickly. Statistically, a 3 run lead (at the start of an inning) in baseball is the rough equivalent of a 17 point lead in the NFL, in terms of win probability. But there is no play you can make in the NFL that instantly overcomes a 17 deficit for an instant lead change. But in baseball, a timely home run can change a game suddenly and unexpectedly.

    I also enjoy the relative low stress of the 162 game season compared to the do-or-die pressures of the 16 game NFL regular season.
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