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 Post Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:10 pm 
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Watching the "Coyotes" search on Twitter is quite the mixed bag. One thing's for sure: things moved too damn fast for any optimism the team's staying put there. Tonight's the night! Don't break my heart again, NHL.


Yea, I'm watching #coyotes and #nhlseattle

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Watching the "Coyotes" search on Twitter is quite the mixed bag. One thing's for sure: things moved too damn fast for any optimism the team's staying put there. Tonight's the night! Don't break my heart again, NHL.


Yea, I'm watching #coyotes and #nhlseattle

No one knows what is going on! All over the map on comments.


I'm just trying hard not to get pissed at getting used all over again before it actually happens. Do you know how hard it is to use a keyboard with your fingers crossed like this?

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You guts are wasting your time and effort. We aren't getting jack. We suck. I want to jump off a bridge.


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Probably.

I told myself not to get involved, to not waste my time.

But somehow I started reading, following news.... funny I didn't even realize how much I was doing it. Son of a B! :evil:

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You guts are wasting your time and effort. We aren't getting jack. We suck. I want to jump off a bridge.


I really wish you would with your whining ass

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The CoG is going to vote yes on a counter-proposal that the prospective owners already called a non-starter. The NHL will announce that they are forced to relocate and as Seattle NHL fans start celebrating, the coyotes quietly move to Quebec City. I can already see it.

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The CoG is going to vote yes on a counter-proposal that the prospective owners already called a non-starter. The NHL will announce that they are forced to relocate and as Seattle NHL fans start celebrating, the coyotes quietly move to Quebec City. I can already see it.


That's my second-worst fear. I'd love to see hockey back in Quebec City, but not at the expense of Seattle.

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Come on, it' stupid to start celbrating before we got skates on the ice, people. Not to mention blood and teeth and colon fragments.

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You guts are wasting your time and effort. We aren't getting jack. We suck. I want to jump off a bridge.


I really wish you would with your whining ass

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Revealed at City of Glendale council meeting that if #hockey deal passes, @phoenixcoyotes name would be changed to Arizona Coyotes. #NHL


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RSE attorney describing parking fee structure, splitting parking income with Glendale. $10 per car hockey, $15 per car other events


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"Guys we are totally going to get more people to come to game by charging more for tickets and parking!" - actual people in Glendale

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Oh God! PARKING! Parking killed us on the Kings to Seattle deal!

Glendal & Sacramento must love to park.

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This taken during the heat of the city council debate on keeping the Coyotes in Glendale.

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Waiting anxiously, but won't be too upset if this doesn't work out. For me this feels way different than the Sonics did - and at this point I actually care far more about the NHL than the NBA. I think it's been clear enough that we are a backup plan that I won't feel jilted if the city re-ups with their team. Good for them if they do, but I'll be sad.

I don't think Bettman will move the team to Quebec City rather than Seattle. He has ALWAYS had an issue with increasing the number of Canadian teams, and it is not in keeping with his MO to relocate an American team to Canadian soil.


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With this we really are a football town. No NBA,NHL. Our MLB is crap for a decade. 8 managers later. And soccer doesn't count I mean come on watching 90 min and get a 0-0 tie, I'm done right there. And which one of you guys are gunna tell me you watch the storm.

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I'M SO CONFUSED! WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?!

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I'M SO CONFUSED! WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?!


Looks like the Kings are staying in Sacramento

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Right now, Sherwood, Knaack, Martinez and Chavira probably the yes votes. Should pass 4-3 unless one of the four changes mind. #coyotes


Apparently a council member against it said "I know it's going to pass" during her speech

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"We have to vote to keep these Coyotes so we can find out just what the NHL is, and if anybody here even cares about it." - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"Nobody has ever abused us quite as kindly as you good folks have, so we really have to vote yes on this deal." - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"Three quarters of all jobs in Glendale exist solely because of the Coyotes." - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"We plan on installing a salary cap on municipal services such as police and fire departments, because that's how dedicated we are to hockey here." - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"What's $90 Mil among friends, anyway?" - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"If the team moved, Glendale would lose thousands of dollars worth of revenue from Canadian tourists." - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"The annual operating cost for the Glendale arena is 10 percent of whatever we can raise in tomorrow's telethon, so let's get calling." - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"Can someone pass a hat around and take up a collection so we can keep this team here?" - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"How can we lose this team when we just learned what icing is?" - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"In this economy, losing the team would mean devastation to thousands of Glendale-area dentists." - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"Losing the team would mean thousands of fans of other teams would have to pay higher prices to see those teams at other venues." - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"At least we aren't the Predators." - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"If the Coyotes leave town, where else will the good citizens of Glendale be able to find enough ice to escape from the blazing temperatures outside?" - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"This meeting is proof that Coyote fans do in fact exist, therefore we must keep the team." - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"We really owe it to both our season ticket holders to keep the team here." - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"There are literally hundreds of hockey fans down here who would be devastated if we lost the team." - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"You can tell what a dedicated hockey fan base we have here in Arizona, because they all showed up for this meeting." - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"We are going to mortgage goddamn city hall if that's what it takes to keep the Coyotes here in the desert." - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"We fully trust Gary Bettman, and that shows how educated and dedicated we are as hockey fans here in Arizona." - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"We plan on dropping funding from firefighters to support the Coyotes, as that's money that never goes to use here in Arizona anyway." - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"If we stop throwing money on this fire, it will go out, and we can't have that." - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"Vote yes on this deal and receive a free hockey puck to celebrate the start of next season." - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"High sticking, boarding, icing, cross checking, fighting, penalizing, zamboniing, curling, the luge - see we know our hockey terms!" - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"Just to show how dedicated to our hockey down here, we're dropping the gloves right here tonight for a bench-clearing brawl!" - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

"The Coyotes will move from Arizona when hell freezes over, and it ain't even cold here!" - The entire Glendale City Council (probably).

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Sounds like a suicide deal for either, 2028 for the Coyotes? can they even survive that? I mean after 5 years they can opted out, but that screws over the city.

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lol I truely hope for you NHL Fanatics this happens, hell even I want to try NHL hockey out to see what it be like!

Plus having the NHL would give me a great idea on things with the NBA.

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Looks like a deal is gonna get done, with the stadium being in westgate a lot of the business are pushing hard, and the attorneys are in lobby talking.


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Deal is passed, 4-3. What a train wreck that was. See you in five years, Coyotes!

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I watched all 4 hours of that council meeting. That city is screwed. It elects people with no public speaking or apparently even basic English skills, they are mortgaging their future for projected... I'm not even sure project what they are projecting 6m + loss for 5 years, they say the payoff is in 20 year? What in the world is going on. Sad stupid little city, gives America a bad name.

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I don't see why anyone would ever give us a team when they can keep using us like this.

Note to professional sports teams: If you want ANYTHING just threaten to move to Seattle and the city wallets open right up! even if police and fire and teachers are being laid off.

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police and fire and teachers are being laid off.



That is what is sooooooo baffling. I don't want to steal anybodies team away, but I just can't understand how irresponsible these cities are to keep a failing business at their tax payers expense. If I were a resident of Sacramento or Glendale I would be livid. More so than the tax payers that paid gor Safeco.


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I watched all 4 hours of that council meeting. That city is screwed. It elects people with no public speaking or apparently even basic English skills, they are mortgaging their future for projected... I'm not even sure project what they are projecting 6m + loss for 5 years, they say the payoff is in 20 year? What in the world is going on. Sad stupid little city, gives America a bad name.


I watched the whole thing unfold via Twitter, and some of the stuff I was seeing was completely baffling. That's exactly what I took from it - that no matter the outcome of the team, that city's public officials have worse leadership and decision-making skills than Wile E. Coyote. It was seriously like watching a train wreck happen over and over again in slow motion.

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Reading an article on an Arizona news site, first two comments.

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Great news. More than four years of this mess is OVER!


Um Paul, its just postpones 5 years, that out-clause will be used.

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Now we can get on with the next 5 yrs of heavy financial losses till the $50 mil out clause kicks in, Quebec has their arena completed or Seattle has their NBA situation settled and then the team can pull up stakes and re-locate. This is a stop-gap measure for the NHL to unload the team to a smoke and mirrors third party, who will "run" the team, while Glendale funds 2/3's of the losses, giving the re-location cities time to get their ducks in a row and thenl the magic $50 mil in losses appear triggering the out clause and they are gone.

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I for one look forward to Sacramento and Glendale as being the prime examples as to why more cities are going to be passing their own versions of I-91. What a trainwreck that I just don't feel bad for watching. And yeah, if I was a tax payer, I would be livid for these deals.

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As much as I hated I-91, and as much as I cried when the sonics were stolen, looking back now it's far better than the alternative. Imagine being a citizen of Glendale watching your house burn down because the fire department can't afford gas. I bet you wouldn't be thinking about watching hockey.

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As much as I hated I-91, and as much as I cried when the sonics were stolen, looking back now it's far better than the alternative. Imagine being a citizen of Glendale watching your house burn down because the fire department can't afford gas. I bet you wouldn't be thinking about watching hockey.


From what I've gathered and heard from people in the know, most don't think about watching hockey anyways.

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Great perspective from a poster on another site

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I rode the Kings rollercoaster, and to a smaller degree the Coyotes rollercoaster too. What I learned is, I woke-up today in my beautiful city (born here too) and have two great deep pocket ownership groups to look forward too. The Sacto and Glendale folks are looking at tax bills, parking fees, surcharges, leveraged owners, and they awoke in Glendale and Sacto.

I’ll await the return of the green & gold, and the guys on ice. Patience. Ok, I’ll wait for the better deal. My wallet will be buying tickets, jerseys and beer—not parking surcharges …

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As much as I hated I-91, and as much as I cried when the sonics were stolen, looking back now it's far better than the alternative. Imagine being a citizen of Glendale watching your house burn down because the fire department can't afford gas. I bet you wouldn't be thinking about watching hockey.


From what I've gathered and heard from people in the know, most don't think about watching hockey anyways.



That's strange, as most of the people I've worked with at 2 different places are hockey fans... people talk more about hockey here than the dbacks


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Everybody knew Portland was in the conversation and really were in a better situation to get the team then Seattle was, but I think Vulcan braintrust saw the writing on the wall no sense making a big push when everybody knew the yotes were going nowhere.

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Ready for plan B again? League to take over NJ Devils with no plans for relocation... something sounds familliar. Altgou this time the owner can't pay for his brand new building despite pretty good attendance. I think there are a few teams out there in trouble that the league is keeping quiet about. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=429396

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Do they like to "park" in New Jersey? If so we have no chance!

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 Post subject: Re: ATTN NHL Fans: Coyotes to Seattle is Plan B?
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Seattle wasn't even plan B, Paul Allen was ready to bring the team to Portland if it fell through with Phx, but he didn't want to be used like Seattle so they stayed quit in the media. Expect he and his group will watch this situation as well.


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Seattle wasn't even plan B, Paul Allen was ready to bring the team to Portland if it fell through with Phx, but he didn't want to be used like Seattle so they stayed quit in the media. Expect he and his group will watch this situation as well.


I get this feeling also.

Allen's group: is the team for sale? Yes? We'll take it. 8)

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I'd love confirmation that Portland was truly Plan B. The NHL wants Seattle far more. Allen has the money, but when it comes to a league decision like the movement of a team they own or expansion, they're going to go after Seattle and locking down its building plan well before they make a move to Portland.


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I'd love confirmation that Portland was truly Plan B. The NHL wants Seattle far more. Allen has the money, but when it comes to a league decision like the movement of a team they own or expansion, they're going to go after Seattle and locking down its building plan well before they make a move to Portland.


Portland has been on the radar for at least the last 12 years. They where very close to getting the Penguins before Lemeuix saved them from BK.


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http://www.csnnw.com/blog/dwight/trail- ... hl-coyotes

If the Yotes were to be sold who do you think the NHL would rather have? Someone who got screwed by the nba already and has no building other then plans on paper OR one of the richest men in the world that already successfully runs 2 teams and has a beautiful NHL ready building?

This is not meant to be a slight on you folks in seattle, but its not rocket science.

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also this little nugget was gleaned from the Devils article posted "The team will not relocate, the source said, adding that Vanberbeek will retain a minority ownership with the Devils."

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