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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Summer Soccer Transfer Talk
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If Bale stays he will be under pressure but if he leaves then he won't be.

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Even if he stays, 3rd is unreasonable. He may be under pressure to finish top 4, but with City and probably Chelsea virtual locks for 1 and 2, Man United, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool will all 4 be fighting for the two remaining spots. Spurs won't be expected to come out on top of that group of four.

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PS: I honestly think AVB is going to be under the most pressure this coming season in BPL to get into top 3. Let me know what you guys think?


I think that there will be pressure on AVB, certainly to finish in the top 4 anyway. Surely the manager under the greatest pressure is Moyes. How will he be regarded if United finish 5th?


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PS: I honestly think AVB is going to be under the most pressure this coming season in BPL to get into top 3. Let me know what you guys think?


I think that there will be pressure on AVB, certainly to finish in the top 4 anyway. Surely the manager under the greatest pressure is Moyes. How will he be regarded when United finish 5th?


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I mean...we were definitely in need of attacking options last year, when Borini was injured/shite and Suares was suspended. I think this is a good move either way. Insurance incase we lose Suarez, and gives us a wealth of options to deal with any Suarez injuries or suspensions, and gives us a really strong front three in Suarez, Costa and Sturridge, but just not sure all three could see the field all the time. Coutinho, Gerrard and probably Allen will all want to see the field, with guys like Lucas, Sterling, Aspas, Alberto, etc. all seeking playing time. Better to have too many than too few, though.

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PS: I honestly think AVB is going to be under the most pressure this coming season in BPL to get into top 3. Let me know what you guys think?


I think that there will be pressure on AVB, certainly to finish in the top 4 anyway. Surely the manager under the greatest pressure is Moyes. How will he be regarded if United finish 5th?


Finishing 5th would be unacceptable but I honestly don't think he has to win the league. He is not under that kind of pressure just yet. However if Rooney leaves pressure will rise.

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You're mad if you don't think Moyes is already under pressure. United fans won't accept mediocrity, and i think that's exactly what he'll bring. Fergie left him a patchwork, aging squad with a weak midfield, an injury risk striker and an old, sometimes suspect defense. if United are languishing in the middle of the table come the end of september, watch the media pounce.

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Is anyone else getting more and more confused by the day about the whole Suarez thing. I mean I'm just flat out confused about what that clause that Arsenal activated actually says, one side says it's a release clause, another says it's a clause that give Suarez permission to discuss terms with another club, and another says it's a clause that obligates Liverpool to tell Suarez that someone made a bid for him.


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Is anyone else getting more and more confused by the day about the whole Suarez thing. I mean I'm just flat out confused about what that clause that Arsenal activated actually says, one side says it's a release clause, another says it's a clause that give Suarez permission to discuss terms with another club, and another says it's a clause that obligates Liverpool to tell Suarez that someone made a bid for him.


Nothing to be confused about, it's unlikely there is a release clause. Offer 55 million pounds or take a hike and sign some french middle schoolers.


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The clause states that Liverpool FC have to make Suarez and his people aware of any bid over 40 mil. Not a release clause, not a clause that 'allows the player to discuss terms' with the other team, just that they have to make him aware. Nothing more.

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Is anyone else getting more and more confused by the day about the whole Suarez thing. I mean I'm just flat out confused about what that clause that Arsenal activated actually says, one side says it's a release clause, another says it's a clause that give Suarez permission to discuss terms with another club, and another says it's a clause that obligates Liverpool to tell Suarez that someone made a bid for him.


Nothing to be confused about, it's unlikely there is a release clause. Offer 55 million pounds or take a hike and sign some french middle schoolers.


Sure, give Liverpool the same amount that Napoli got for Cavani even though Cavani has no problems, while Suarez has all those past incidents. I don't think I said this on here but I compared Suarez to a sports car with a history of traffic violations and crashes.


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I should also point out that there's talk that Suarez is pissed at Liverpool as he was, apparently, told that he would be allowed to leave the Reds if a Champions League club came in with a 35 million pound bid.


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Some reports here that fee for Bale has been agreed at £105m + Coentrao with the money being paid in an upfront lump sum. If so....wow. Thanks Gareth! Deal aided by Ronaldo heading back to United for £80m. Sounds pretty far fetched but I'll keep my fingers crossed.


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I should also point out that there's talk that Suarez is pissed at Liverpool as he was, apparently, told that he would be allowed to leave the Reds if a Champions League club came in with a 35 million pound bid.


Nope... Signed a fresh contract and the club has made it clear they aren't selling him.... At least to Arsenal.

If you get confused just listen to the people who actually make the decisions and not sky sports and the Mail

55 million... No one cares if Arsenal fans think its fair. We don't want to sell anyway


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http://www.thisisanfield.com/2013/08/liverpool-in-22m-bid-for-brazilian-forward-diego-costa/

I mean...we were definitely in need of attacking options last year, when Borini was injured/shite and Suares was suspended. I think this is a good move either way. Insurance incase we lose Suarez, and gives us a wealth of options to deal with any Suarez injuries or suspensions, and gives us a really strong front three in Suarez, Costa and Sturridge, but just not sure all three could see the field all the time. Coutinho, Gerrard and probably Allen will all want to see the field, with guys like Lucas, Sterling, Aspas, Alberto, etc. all seeking playing time. Better to have too many than too few, though.


Costa/Muriel, Ericksen/Bernard, Papa and the left back...

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http://www.thisisanfield.com/2013/08/liverpool-in-22m-bid-for-brazilian-forward-diego-costa/

I mean...we were definitely in need of attacking options last year, when Borini was injured/shite and Suares was suspended. I think this is a good move either way. Insurance incase we lose Suarez, and gives us a wealth of options to deal with any Suarez injuries or suspensions, and gives us a really strong front three in Suarez, Costa and Sturridge, but just not sure all three could see the field all the time. Coutinho, Gerrard and probably Allen will all want to see the field, with guys like Lucas, Sterling, Aspas, Alberto, etc. all seeking playing time. Better to have too many than too few, though.


Costa/Muriel, Ericksen/Bernard, Papa and the left back...

4 weeks left


i honestly don't want Ericksen at this point. He's a dedicated CAM, and that means they'll move Coutinho out wide, where I feel like his talent will be somewhat wasted. If we get papa and Cissokho, and keep Suarez, i'll be well chuffed with this summer's business.

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peachesenregalia wrote:
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http://www.thisisanfield.com/2013/08/liverpool-in-22m-bid-for-brazilian-forward-diego-costa/

I mean...we were definitely in need of attacking options last year, when Borini was injured/shite and Suares was suspended. I think this is a good move either way. Insurance incase we lose Suarez, and gives us a wealth of options to deal with any Suarez injuries or suspensions, and gives us a really strong front three in Suarez, Costa and Sturridge, but just not sure all three could see the field all the time. Coutinho, Gerrard and probably Allen will all want to see the field, with guys like Lucas, Sterling, Aspas, Alberto, etc. all seeking playing time. Better to have too many than too few, though.


Costa/Muriel, Ericksen/Bernard, Papa and the left back...

4 weeks left


i honestly don't want Ericksen at this point. He's a dedicated CAM, and that means they'll move Coutinho out wide, where I feel like his talent will be somewhat wasted. If we get papa and Cissokho, and keep Suarez, i'll be well chuffed with this summer's business.


Ericksen underneath Coutinho. Gerrards successor.... Then papa a lb and Costa. Keep Suarez and light a bag full of poop on fire and leave it on Gates doorstep

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Erickson underneath Coutinho would be a waste. Erickson doesn't control a midfield like Stevie does, he's always looking to get forward and link up, Closer to Jari Litmanen than Stevie. I just think it would be a waste. It looks like we're going with three strikers up top, Costa, Suarez and Sturridge, with Aspas and Borini for cover, then Coutino, Gerrard and either Sterling, Ibe or Alberto in the middle. Happy to have plenty of options, I guess.

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Erickson underneath Coutinho would be a waste. Erickson doesn't control a midfield like Stevie does, he's always looking to get forward and link up, Closer to Jari Litmanen than Stevie. I just think it would be a waste. It looks like we're going with three strikers up top, Costa, Suarez and Sturridge, with Aspas and Borini for cover, then Coutino, Gerrard and either Sterling, Ibe or Alberto in the middle. Happy to have plenty of options, I guess.


He's just 22... We need to fill that midfield. If its not ericksen someone needs to step in. Alberto is for the future. Im not willing to pin the season on a 33 year old Gerrard, the inevitable Lucas injury and the inconsistency of Henderson and Allen


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Erickson underneath Coutinho would be a waste. Erickson doesn't control a midfield like Stevie does, he's always looking to get forward and link up, Closer to Jari Litmanen than Stevie. I just think it would be a waste. It looks like we're going with three strikers up top, Costa, Suarez and Sturridge, with Aspas and Borini for cover, then Coutino, Gerrard and either Sterling, Ibe or Alberto in the middle. Happy to have plenty of options, I guess.


He's just 22... We need to fill that midfield. If its not ericksen someone needs to step in. Alberto is for the future. Im not willing to pin the season on a 33 year old Gerrard, the inevitable Lucas injury and the inconsistency of Henderson and Allen


I expect Hendo to take a leap forward this year. He showed a lot more consistency towards the end of last season, for sure. Allen....yeah, not sure. He was carrying an injury last season, so we may not yet have seen even close to his best, but then again - we may have. Just seems an expensive luxury purchase at this point, and one I doubt we can afford after nabbing Costa and forking out for papadopolopodopodous.

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I should also point out that there's talk that Suarez is pissed at Liverpool as he was, apparently, told that he would be allowed to leave the Reds if a Champions League club came in with a 35 million pound bid.


Nope... Signed a fresh contract and the club has made it clear they aren't selling him.... At least to Arsenal.

If you get confused just listen to the people who actually make the decisions and not sky sports and the Mail

55 million... No one cares if Arsenal fans think its fair. We don't want to sell anyway


Well what about BBC?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23550760

I'm now under the impression that there is a misunderstanding between Liverpool and everyone else(namely Suarez and Arsenal). I now think that that clause is what Liverpool claims it to be, but the way they explained it to Suarez when he signed the contract left him with the thought that the clause was an outright release clause.


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Gatehawk wrote:
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I should also point out that there's talk that Suarez is pissed at Liverpool as he was, apparently, told that he would be allowed to leave the Reds if a Champions League club came in with a 35 million pound bid.


Nope... Signed a fresh contract and the club has made it clear they aren't selling him.... At least to Arsenal.

If you get confused just listen to the people who actually make the decisions and not sky sports and the Mail

55 million... No one cares if Arsenal fans think its fair. We don't want to sell anyway


Well what about BBC?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23550760

I'm now under the impression that there is a misunderstanding between Liverpool and everyone else(namely Suarez and Arsenal). I now think that that clause is what Liverpool claims it to be, but the way they explained it to Suarez when he signed the contract left him with the thought that the clause was an outright release clause.


I'm under the impression you get easily confused by reality and sports media...

He's not going to Arsenal. Everyone at Liverpool has made it quite clear. What you have there is a story to wind up Arsenal fans

Let's review..

Someone assumes Suarez will file a transfer request ( which he won't because of the lost wages) and repeats and inside info without fact

This precedes a story about Wenger "assuring" his arsenal fans he's trying to get Suarez but Liverpool just won't budge... And oh don't worry about Spurs and Soldado. He wouldn't make it here at the Emirates.

Start seeing this for what it is Gate...your managers playing games with you again.

While Wenger is trying to be "amicable" Liverpool have already told him to get stuffed


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Money talks, although I'm not sure if it does for Arsenal.

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All I know is that IF Suarez does leave Liverpool, it's gonna be for Arsenal. Madrid just seem to be more interested Gareth Bale to me.


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I think Arsenal just has more fun counting their gold, cause they don't have any silver. Suarez to Spain or nowhere, the end.


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I think Arsenal just has more fun counting their gold, cause they don't have any silver. Suarez to Spain or nowhere, the end.


I just don't see anyone other than Arsenal interested in Suarez right now. That's all I see. Like I said, Real Madrid seem more concerned with attempting to get Gareth Bale and unless that falls flat and they give up on their pursuit of him, they won't be going after Suarez.

Either Liverpool sells him now, waits till later and start getting lowball offers later in the window from other clubs that might spring up in interest, or just keep a guy who, at least from the games I've seen, has looked almost completely uninterested in playing for Liverpool during the preseason. It's Liverpool's choice.


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I think Arsenal just has more fun counting their gold, cause they don't have any silver. Suarez to Spain or nowhere, the end.


I just don't see anyone other than Arsenal interested in Suarez right now. That's all I see. Like I said, Real Madrid seem more concerned with attempting to get Gareth Bale and unless that falls flat and they give up on their pursuit of him, they won't be going after Suarez.

Either Liverpool sells him now, waits till later and start getting lowball offers later in the window from other clubs that might spring up in interest, or just keep a guy who, at least from the games I've seen, has looked almost completely uninterested in playing for Liverpool during the preseason. It's Liverpool's choice.


LOL. Suarez will be just fine, thanks. We'll keep a hold of him and get the 25-30 goals he's good for this season.

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I think Arsenal just has more fun counting their gold, cause they don't have any silver. Suarez to Spain or nowhere, the end.


I do agree. I know what you're saying Gate and agree, but it doesn't recognize the power position Real is in.

They know Liverpool won't sell to Arsenal. They can afford to wait a bit to see if Liverpool gets anxious and come in with a smaller bid.

Suarez is a gamer Gate. He will do whatever to takes to win regardless of who he plays for. Dont get too wrapped up in twitter pics of an "unhappy" player


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I didn't say it was twitter pictures that I saw. BeIn Sport aired the matches I was referring to.


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I didn't say it was twitter pictures that I saw. BeIn Sport aired the matches I was referring to.


So to be clear you catch him coming in late on in two friendlies against small international sides after a month of play and because he doesn't celebrate an own goal or clip the heels of some Thai kid he's on a moan and wants to leave? Stop playing the game Gate. I've got faith you're better than this.

BTW.... If (if) Suarez decides he wants to go to court (Which he won't) no judge is going to rule against his own signing of the contract. Regardless if the Arsenal press in London believe he was mislead verbally (which again is ridiculous... Someone may have mislead Wenger though) he signed his contract. Those tend to be quite binding...

Time to move forward Gate. Is Arsenal doing anything this window? Its been a strange summer for them


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I didn't say it was twitter pictures that I saw. BeIn Sport aired the matches I was referring to.


So to be clear you catch him coming in late on in two friendlies against small international sides after a month of play and because he doesn't celebrate an own goal or clip the heels of some Thai kid he's on a moan and wants to leave? Stop playing the game Gate. I've got faith you're better than this.

BTW.... If (if) Suarez decides he wants to go to court (Which he won't) no judge is going to rule against his own signing of the contract. Regardless if the Arsenal press in London believe he was mislead verbally (which again is ridiculous... Someone may have mislead Wenger though) he signed his contract. Those tend to be quite binding...

Time to move forward Gate. Is Arsenal doing anything this window? Its been a strange summer for them


1 - you a legal expert now? You haven't seen the contract and you are sure you know how it would be interpreted?

2 - your statement is wrong, as contracts can be struck down due to various circumstances surrounding their entry.

3- it might not be a matter of taking it to court, many contracts in football provide for reference being made to the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Lausanne.

4 - the CAS could choose to take an approach similar to the Bosman case by considering EU rules preventing restraint of trade

5 - if Suarez REALLY wanted a move, he could achieve it by taking a contractual ambiguity and pursuing it as a means of (a) justifying his non-performance of his contract with Liverpool, and (b) giving himself leverage. Otherwise, why even put it out in the public forum? Just saying.

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As much a legal expert as the idiots at BBC guessing about Suarez intentions based on a Wenger presser. To that I guess I'm as much an expert in body language as the same morons who think Suarez is moaning when he doesn't smile

To your points.... The Bosman rule doesn't apply here. And while Suarez is more than legally capable if drawing this to court the fact remains no court is to going to force Liverpool to invalidate his contract. Could they enforce a misunderstanding in a provision? Perhaps but the legal wrangling and embarrassment for all involved would make it a ridiculous venture.

Am I wrong? I don't think so in this case. Could it become some courtroom drama? In that sense yes.


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There is a lot of speculation in the papers, but nobody seems to be saying that there is a release clause, instead a clause that has a differing interpretation. Liverpool seem to be saying that the clause requires them to tell Suarez when a bid is made for him, which is a pointless clause as any formal bid gets reported on any relevant media outlet. Suarez's people seem to be saying that the clause allows them to discuss personal terms with any club that bids the relevant amount, which is extremely strange as players under contract are prohibited from such discussions until the last 6 months of their contract.

Bottom line, they wouldn't have put something like that in unless they were asked, and they probably tried to fudge the issue by putting in wording which each side is interpreting how they wish, which gives rise to this issue which is their own creation. And presumably Suarez's people made Arsenal aware of the clause.

I never said anything about Bosman applying, but the same principles could apply. EU law has a number if fundamental principles, including freedom of movement and freedom of trade. The registration of players pre-Bosman was judged incompatible with these laws. A court could always interpret Suarez's contract in a way so as to make it consistent with these principles. That is why every Spanish player contract has a release clause.

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Cdallan....

I got you. I think we are hitting on the same thing. I'm just trying to point out the absurdity in the speculation over the actual reality.

Truth is Suarez is most likely gone. Arsenal seem to be the club that want him the most but that deal seems out of character for them while threatening Liverpools attempt at top 4

Hell.... He will probably be a Gunner in the end. The hell do I know (I just like messing with Gate... But seriously I will be kissed)


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BTW.... If (if) Suarez decides he wants to go to court (Which he won't) no judge is going to rule against his own signing of the contract. Regardless if the Arsenal press in London believe he was mislead verbally (which again is ridiculous... Someone may have mislead Wenger though) he signed his contract. Those tend to be quite binding...

Time to move forward Gate. Is Arsenal doing anything this window? Its been a strange summer for them


Just forget talking about Suarez for now. Cause, one thing I can never agree with is that there's Arsenal press in London or England(John Cross seems to be about the closest you get) every paper seems to be against Arsenal. I said countless times last year, Arsenal grinds out a 1-0(or have a winning margin of 1 goal) and the papers say Arsenal didn't deserve to win or they lucked out, clubs like Man U, City or Chelsea do the same thing and get praised and their wins are called something like "performance of a champion".

Also about the transfers, I do think they'll eventually sign somebody, whether it's a big name like Suarez(as an example Si, no need to go on a rant about that) or a affordable player who does have decent quality, I don't know which it would end up being. And when I say affordable player with quality, I'd mean someone like Podolski and Giroud as those guys were well worth what Arsenal paid for them last season. I'm not gonna be a cynical dick like probably 51% of Arsenal fans who'd rather boo a player who we were linked with but didn't sign(especially when it's not his fault, nor Arsenal's, he's not on our squad) or make stupid threats that they'll likely not follow through with. I'm waiting till the end of the window to judge Arsenal's transfer business.


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Gate... I'd love it if all of Arsenal would forget about Suarez

In the end I've no more of a clue than anyone else.... I just know the press is ridiculous in their speculation regarding any transfers.


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So who is our striker to start the season with if Sturridge is still recovering? Borini? :/ Would love for him to go on loan to Watford if we could afford to be without him him. Italian manager and players, think he'd score a lot in the championship.


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So who is our striker to start the season with if Sturridge is still recovering? Borini? :/ Would love for him to go on loan to Watford if we could afford to be without him him. Italian manager and players, think he'd score a lot in the championship.


Costa. Probably paired with Aspas and Coutinho tucked in behind them. Then a midfield of Gerrard, Sterling/Ibe, Henderson/Allen.

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So who is our striker to start the season with if Sturridge is still recovering? Borini? :/ Would love for him to go on loan to Watford if we could afford to be without him him. Italian manager and players, think he'd score a lot in the championship.


Costa. Probably paired with Aspas and Coutinho tucked in behind them. Then a midfield of Gerrard, Sterling/Ibe, Henderson/Allen.


And that's good enough. Without Costa its good enough... But word has it Sturridge is ahead of schedule. 50-50 right now he plays against Stoke. Might go up by next week


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Answer - doesn't matter, it's a preseason friendly.

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Answer - doesn't matter, it's a preseason friendly.


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Answer - doesn't matter, it's a preseason friendly.


Didn't you see Gates post about how no one likes Arsenal though? (BTW our own Brendan finally making a mockery of Arsenal and Wengers lack of class in their pursuit of Suarez. ... Tis business but still nice for the manager to address it)


Its a dive Gate... Poor by the player and poor by the ref.


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Didn't you see Gates post about how no one likes Arsenal though?



Let's be honsst here, there's not really a lot to like.


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Answer - doesn't matter, it's a preseason friendly.


That last person is actually why I'm so upset with it. It's a preseason friendly, why do anything that cheap and pathetic?

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our own Brendan finally making a mockery of Arsenal and Wengers lack of class in their pursuit of Suarez. ... Tis business but still nice for the manager to address it


Okay, you're gonna have to explain exactly what Arsenal has done in this transfer saga that would count as "classless". Because all I've seen is Rodgers make ridiculous statements like "Suarez is worth as much as Cavani", and now it's "Suarez is worth 100m", and then there's Liverpool's owner who decides to comment on Arsenal's bid with "What are they smoking at Emirates?"

Arsenal in the meantime, have not said anything about this until a few days ago. The players haven't even mentioned Suarez by name, when asked about possible transfers, until this past week and Wenger has avoided questions about him until this past weekend.

So go ahead with your "all knowing knowledge" that you claim to have over mine. What classless thing did Arsenal do?


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Massively under bidding a clubs superstar. How about we bid 8,000,001 for Cazorla?


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Massively under bidding a clubs superstar. How about we bid 8,000,001 for Cazorla?


Okay if that's the case, we have 2 extremely different views on what "classless" actually means.


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peachesenregalia wrote:
Answer - doesn't matter, it's a preseason friendly.


That last person is actually why I'm so upset with it. It's a preseason friendly, why do anything that cheap and pathetic?

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our own Brendan finally making a mockery of Arsenal and Wengers lack of class in their pursuit of Suarez. ... Tis business but still nice for the manager to address it


Okay, you're gonna have to explain exactly what Arsenal has done in this transfer saga that would count as "classless". Because all I've seen is Rodgers make ridiculous statements like "Suarez is worth as much as Cavani", and now it's "Suarez is worth 100m", and then there's Liverpool's owner who decides to comment on Arsenal's bid with "What are they smoking at Emirates?"

Arsenal in the meantime, have not said anything about this until a few days ago. The players haven't even mentioned Suarez by name, when asked about possible transfers, until this past week and Wenger has avoided questions about him until this past weekend.

So go ahead with your "all knowing knowledge" that you claim to have over mine. What classless thing did Arsenal do?


Tapping up player in regards to transfer. That ridiculous one pound extra bid. And now Wilshere publicly speaking about Suarez. Classless.

Explain to me how Suarez isn't worth as much as cavani? Because he bit someone? Grow up Peter pan. And whether you believe he us or isn't is immaterial. He's a Liverpool player. We want this much for him.

Its not all knowing hotshot. Pretty common knowledge in honesty. And now the Liverpool manager has finally said something on it.

Look like I said.... Its business. And its ruthless. Not going to sit here and discuss the merits of what you feel is classless and what isn't it. But you made an underwhelming bid. Was rejected. You added one pound more. That's effing classless. Call it "cheeky" if you want.
The owner felt it stupid enough to address it with a tweet about it. You want the player? Meet the valuation. Don't add one pound to a poor bid.

Arsenal look stupid at the moment. Have a different opinion? Save it Gate. We will never agree on this. You obviously can't see beyond Arsenals side on it. But I can't bear another moan from you.

Jesus you were about to lose it on a dive in a friendly (which you lost. Arsenal can't even win a fake preseason trophy. And don't you guys host this one?)


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our own Brendan finally making a mockery of Arsenal and Wengers lack of class in their pursuit of Suarez. ... Tis business but still nice for the manager to address it


Okay, you're gonna have to explain exactly what Arsenal has done in this transfer saga that would count as "classless". Because all I've seen is Rodgers make ridiculous statements like "Suarez is worth as much as Cavani", and now it's "Suarez is worth 100m", and then there's Liverpool's owner who decides to comment on Arsenal's bid with "What are they smoking at Emirates?"

Arsenal in the meantime, have not said anything about this until a few days ago. The players haven't even mentioned Suarez by name, when asked about possible transfers, until this past week and Wenger has avoided questions about him until this past weekend.

So go ahead with your "all knowing knowledge" that you claim to have over mine. What classless thing did Arsenal do?


Tapping up player in regards to transfer. That ridiculous one pound extra bid. And now Wilshere publicly speaking about Suarez. Classless.

Explain to me how Suarez isn't worth as much as cavani? Because he bit someone? Grow up Peter pan. And whether you believe he us or isn't is immaterial. He's a Liverpool player. We want this much for him.

Its not all knowing hotshot. Pretty common knowledge in honesty. And now the Liverpool manager has finally said something on it.

Look like I said.... Its business. And its ruthless. Not going to sit here and discuss the merits of what you feel is classless and what isn't it. But you made an underwhelming bid. Was rejected. You added one pound more. That's effing classless. Call it "cheeky" if you want.
The owner felt it stupid enough to address it with a tweet about it. You want the player? Meet the valuation. Don't add one pound to a poor bid.

Arsenal look stupid at the moment. Have a different opinion? Save it Gate. We will never agree on this. You obviously can't see beyond Arsenals side on it. But I can't bear another moan from you.

Jesus you were about to lose it on a dive in a friendly (which you lost. Arsenal can't even win a fake preseason trophy. And don't you guys host this one?)


All Wilshere has said was that he would like to have a player like Suarez on Arsenal. Doesn't seem classless to me. I also haven't seen anything that makes it sound like Arsenal tapped up with Suarez. Oh and want to read something interesting? Here's what Rodgers said:

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"I've got to say I've always associated ARSENAL as a club with class and so there was a wee bit of a game there. For us, it's about moving on and doing our own work."


and here's what Wenger said about Suarez

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"I don't want to speak about Suarez, because that is between Liverpool and Arsenal. We will completely respect what Liverpool wants to do. We want to (sign the player) if it is feasible in an amicable way."


Who's being classless again?

And about why I don't think Suarez is worth 55 million? I said it before, I wouldn't want to buy a sports car with a history of engine troubles, crashes, etc. You guys are free to think he's worth 55 million with all the past behavior problems, I've pointed it out that I agree that his talent alone is worth the 55m, but he's got that rap sheet of past issues and that wouldn't make him worth that much in my eyes, that's a massive gamble on a player who at any moment could lose his mind and get suspended for important runs in the season.

This whole saga is embarrassing to both sides and I'd rather it be done and over with sooner than later.


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