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Does anybody care? Good for him for having the balls to come public with it, but its too bad he had too. If youre straight, be straight. If you're gay, be gay. You don't have to announce either one to me.


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I'm a 34-year-old NBA center. I'm black. And I'm gay.

I didn't set out to be the first openly gay athlete playing in a major American team sport. But since I am, I'm happy to start the conversation. I wish I wasn't the kid in the classroom raising his hand and saying, "I'm different." If I had my way, someone else would have already done this. Nobody has, which is why I'm raising my hand.


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Does anybody care? Good for him for having the balls to come public with it, but its too bad he had too. If youre straight, be straight. If you're gay, be gay. You don't have to announce either one to me.


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I'm a 34-year-old NBA center. I'm black. And I'm gay.

I didn't set out to be the first openly gay athlete playing in a major American team sport. But since I am, I'm happy to start the conversation. I wish I wasn't the kid in the classroom raising his hand and saying, "I'm different." If I had my way, someone else would have already done this. Nobody has, which is why I'm raising my hand.


http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-o ... out-as-gay


Well hopefully one day we'll be there.

Where no one cares either way. But until that point, dude has some guts to step out. Good for him. :th2thumbs:

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I don't think its big news because he's gay, it's big news because someone finally broke the ice.

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It's a non issue to me. Hopefully the media doesn't make it bigger than it is.


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Nice to see so many fellow players supporting him. Gay people aren't going anywhere, it's time to stop expecting them to hide so that the mentally small people of the world don't have to "feel uncomfortable" with it.


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Nobody cares. The bigger news is David Stern coming out as a giant douche.

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Nobody cares. The bigger news is David Stern coming out as a giant douche.


He might be playing for the other team too.

But anyway, good for Collins, probably took a lot of courage, I'm sure we'll get some more athletes coming out now.

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Contrary to the media saying so, he's not the first athlete to come out and say he's gay. Former OS DL and Packer Esera Tuala was open about being gay in the 90s.

I beleive most people dont honestly care about this, it's just the media trying to stir the pot. If a hawk came out today, it wouldn't change my view of him at all.


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Seahawk Sailor wrote:
Nobody cares. The bigger news is David Stern coming out as a giant douche.

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Nice to see so many fellow players supporting him. Gay people aren't going anywhere, it's time to stop expecting them to hide so that the mentally small people of the world don't have to "feel uncomfortable" with it.


Growing up I heard so many adults say "we are giving up too much" and I wondered what they were talking about. Now that I have kids and am older I understand and can see the trend and where it is leading. The future isn't going to be a pretty place for our children.

There are many things that people used to consider "wrong" that have become "alright". While some of those things may not have been as wrong as others it has changed our quality of life.

A bolt is made for a nut, you can't hold anything together using 2 bolts, or 2 nuts. If your selling one without the other, sorry, but no matter what you say, I ain't buying.

Gay people want acceptance so they can deal with thier guilty consience. We all make choices in life and we all have to live with the consequences. I see no reason why anyone should accept something they consider to be wrong. To me the issue couldn't be any clearer and I find it disturbing reality of the state of our society. Reality people, get there


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Nobody cares. The bigger news is David Stern coming out as a giant douche.


He might be playing for the other team too.

But anyway, good for Collins, probably took a lot of courage, I'm sure we'll get some more athletes coming out now.

Yeah, ha ha. Stern has kind of got that big fat bottom, J. Edgar Hoover, vibe goin.

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Nice to see so many fellow players supporting him. Gay people aren't going anywhere, it's time to stop expecting them to hide so that the mentally small people of the world don't have to "feel uncomfortable" with it.


Growing up I heard so many adults say "we are giving up too much" and I wondered what they were talking about. Now that I have kids and am older I understand and can see the trend and where it is leading. The future isn't going to be a pretty place for our children.

There are many things that people used to consider "wrong" that have become "alright". While some of those things may not have been as wrong as others it has changed our quality of life.

A bolt is made for a nut, you can't hold anything together using 2 bolts, or 2 nuts. If your selling one without the other, sorry, but no matter what you say, I ain't buying.

Gay people want acceptance so they can deal with thier guilty consience. We all make choices in life and we all have to live with the consequences. I see no reason why anyone should accept something they consider to be wrong.

What about two bolts and four nuts?

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What about two bolts and four nuts?


Now your talking a whole other ball game (pun intended)

I say upfront that it is extreme but pedofiles have to live in hiding too and guess what they don't think they are doing anything wrong either.


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Contrary to the media saying so, he's not the first athlete to come out and say he's gay. Former OS DL and Packer Esera Tuala was open about being gay in the 90s.

I beleive most people dont honestly care about this, it's just the media trying to stir the pot. If a hawk came out today, it wouldn't change my view of him at all.


The difference is that Tuaolo came out after he retired, Collins is the first athlete to come out while still active.


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What the hell is the nba? First currently active openly gay athlete doesn't count if its in a league that doesn't exist

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Does anyone really care? I think most reasonable folks have better things to do in their life then worry about if somebody's gay.


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Threads like this are perfect for updating my ignore filter.

Good for him, and I'm glad he did. It may seem like not that big a deal to people who live on the West Coast, which I think speaks to the progressiveness of the region in general, but leave coastal Washington/Oregon/California and you'd be surprised.

Maybe someday it genuinely won't be an issue and won't need to be announced, but for now, it's a pretty big milestone for professional sports.


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Hmm, according to some post here, an active professional athlete coming out as gay is a big deal to some.

I think it's great, bigots are losing this battle and this 'should' not be a big deal but it is as long as people care about what sexual behavior others practice.

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Hmm, according to some post here, an active professional athlete coming out as gay is a big deal to some.

I think it's great, bigots are losing this battle and this 'should' not be a big deal but it is as long as people care about what sexual behavior others practice.


Just like with everything if it doesn't affect you why care right? Nice attitude maybe someday you might care about someone other than yourself. My brother was lured and almost molested by a gay man who tried to get him drunk. My brother introduced him to baseball and the famous Wilson line of bats.

Crazy people are only a little step below gay people imo. Dig a little into any gay person you know and you'll uncover the truth. Almost all of them had a childhood molestation occur. What makes it worse is they become convinced that if they can get others to accept them it will make it better. Sounds like a disease to me.

I hope no one ever has to deal with reality of effed up people but to support them isn't cool.


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I hope no one ever has to deal with reality of effed up people but to support them isn't cool.

Great, that's why I'm taking your advice and adding you to my ignore list. It's a sad fact that small-minded bigots like you will always exist, but hopefully in another 10 years or so society will have evolved and left you as the small fringe minority you deserve to be.

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What about two bolts and four nuts?


Now your talking a whole other ball game (pun intended)

I say upfront that it is extreme but pedofiles have to live in hiding too and guess what they don't think they are doing anything wrong either.

Yeah but they are, that's the difference. If you've ever seen what that does to a kid you would absolutely know why it is. HUGE, HUGE difference between 2 consenting adults having sex and what a pedophile does. (Child molesters should be executed on their 2nd offense IMO.)


Oh, and learn to spell a word before breaking it out.

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There's something oddly familiar about sprhawk.....

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There's something oddly familiar about sprhawk.....


Luckily, I'm never going to have to find out what it is. Welcome to the ignore list, bigot.

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Great for him to do this and I am quite sure there will be more to follow. I remember when one of my favorite metal singers of all time came out....Rob Halford.

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There's something oddly familiar about sprhawk.....


Luckily, I'm never going to have to find out what it is. Welcome to the ignore list, bigot.


When in Rome eh. Maybe the true hatred is on the other foot.

Notice I'm not angry? People with mental problems need help. Hear of any bad news stories lately, just keep on ignoring the problems, I'm sure they will go away.


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Luckily, I'm never going to have to find out what it is. Welcome to the ignore list, bigot.


When in Rome eh. Maybe the true hatred is on the other foot.

Notice I'm not angry? People with mental problems need help. Hear of any bad news stories lately, just keep on ignoring the problems, I'm sure they will go away.


Interesting you mention mental problems. :roll:

I hope someone goes away.

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Luckily, I'm never going to have to find out what it is. Welcome to the ignore list, bigot.


When in Rome eh. Maybe the true hatred is on the other foot.

Notice I'm not angry? People with mental problems need help. Hear of any bad news stories lately, just keep on ignoring the problems, I'm sure they will go away.


Yep. I'm sure of it.

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Either that or some crazy Westboro Baptist Church member wandered unto our board.

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sprhawk, this thread is about Collins and the impact of him coming out, not your own bigotry. Please step out of it.

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It's nice that humans can finally start being openly gay like they were in Greek and Roman times and like so many other animal species are, without shame.

Hooray progress.

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There's gay black dudes? From Stanford? Huh...not what Ahmajinedad told me.

I'm just glad its an NBA player. The NBA is simply BETTER at handling such issues. It's PA, players, ownership everything are light years more progressive than any other sport. It's the ONLY professional sport without instituionalized racism. MLB, NFL, NHL, Soccer all have loads of juicy racism that can be seen.


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Nice to see so many fellow players supporting him. Gay people aren't going anywhere, it's time to stop expecting them to hide so that the mentally small people of the world don't have to "feel uncomfortable" with it.


Growing up I heard so many adults say "we are giving up too much" and I wondered what they were talking about. Now that I have kids and am older I understand and can see the trend and where it is leading. The future isn't going to be a pretty place for our children.

There are many things that people used to consider "wrong" that have become "alright". While some of those things may not have been as wrong as others it has changed our quality of life.

A bolt is made for a nut, you can't hold anything together using 2 bolts, or 2 nuts. If your selling one without the other, sorry, but no matter what you say, I ain't buying.

Gay people want acceptance so they can deal with thier guilty consience. We all make choices in life and we all have to live with the consequences. I see no reason why anyone should accept something they consider to be wrong. To me the issue couldn't be any clearer and I find it disturbing reality of the state of our society. Reality people, get there

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It's fine to have conflicting views on these types of high-interest topics, but if you feel the need to openly express your views on the subject, please take it to the PWR forum and keep it out of our sports forums. Thanks.


Wow, yet another bigot. Welcome to my ignore list.


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Wow, yet another bigot. Welcome to my ignore list.


Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, and intolerance on the basis of a person's:

race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, religion, language, socioeconomic status, or other status.

So let's play a game, what doesn't belong in the list above?

Answer - Sexual orientation / Gender identification are asking you to believe a lie.

All others are Truths.

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I guess the bright side is that this thread has only caused 2 bigots to pop their heads up ... they'll always be there, and there's no way to reason with them or change their minds: the prejudices and misinformation are just too ingrained ... but the numbers are dwindling. Society evolves slowly, but it does evolve.

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As long as homosexuality is a minority group I expect "coming out" to be a deal. However, I expect eventually that "coming out" will be something done much sooner and with more support. Of course when it comes to the player's prowess on the court I expect a time very soon where their sexual openness has absolutely nothing to do with whether they make the team or not.

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lol I don't see what the big deal is, whats the harm in letting people do their business if it isn't hurting someone?

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Answer - Sexual orientation / Gender identification are asking you to believe a lie.



Funny, every legit scientific study I've heard of points to these things bring inborn, not choices.

What evidence have you to the contrary?

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It absolutely amazes me that an athlete can literally commit murder and fans will continue to support them yet those same fans can't forgive someone because they like to put a body part somewhere that they don't.

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 Post subject: Re: So NBA player Jason Collins is gay.
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Contrary to the media saying so, he's not the first athlete to come out and say he's gay. Former OS DL and Packer Esera Tuala was open about being gay in the 90s.

I beleive most people dont honestly care about this, it's just the media trying to stir the pot. If a hawk came out today, it wouldn't change my view of him at all.


The difference is that Tuaolo came out after he retired, Collins is the first athlete to come out while still active.


Yeah, but barely. He isn't signed by any team, and he's 34 almost 35. There is no guarantee he will be the first "active" athlete who's gay.


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 Post subject: Re: So NBA player Jason Collins is gay.
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Wow, that was some of the most reactionary, anecdotal bull I've come across in a while. Most adults here seem to have a strong grip on reality (I applaud those); but sometimes you have to step back in amazement and almost shock at the responses an action like this will get out of people.

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I wonder what sprhawk would think of Russell Wilson came out. Would you support him?


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 Post subject: Re: So NBA player Jason Collins is gay.
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I wonder what sprhawk would think of Russell Wilson came out. Would you support him?


That would be hilarious. I doubt it, but hilarious none the less.

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 Post subject: Re: So NBA player Jason Collins is gay.
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I wonder what sprhawk would think of Russell Wilson came out. Would you support him?


That would be hilarious. I doubt it, but hilarious none the less.


I'm thinking 75% of this board would be trying to date him.

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