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Spokane doesn't want big name players coming out because he doesn't want to face the reality that one day he too will have to do the same.

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TL;DR Why is this thread 5 pages long?


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TL;DR Why is this thread 5 pages long?


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The bible angle is interesting in that the only place in the bible that openly states anything against homosexuality is Leviticus, which also forbids tattooing. If people were going to heckle a homosexual due to the bible, why not someone who has tattoos? It just seems that people pick and choose whatever from the bible that they think fits their belief and comfort level.

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I find it disgusting when people use the bible to justify their own bigotry. They are so insecure about themselves that they have to hide behind a book in order to display their hate. What they in fact do is put the blame of being a small minded little person on an entire religion, which is just wrong towards the decent loving people of the same religion. But the fact of the matter is, those people use money too, and that can be an issue to an NBA owner, especially in certain parts of the country. Hopefully Collins gets signed and the glass ceiling will be broken.

Edit: And I don't mean any of the participants in this discussion by that. Everyone has seemed very analytical, not raging emotional at all, which in typical for the type I described.

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Spokane doesn't want big name players coming out because he doesn't want to face the reality that one day he too will have to do the same.


LOL - First the guy is not a player with a team, or he would be cut. (Its why they can't find a gay on any team in any major sport today)
Money is bigger to this guy then being gay (or He would have popped out before he was a street walker)
So he is not a an amazing person, he just sold out to the media while he could.

Nosachawk doesn't want transgender folks to make it out cause he is a little concerened about his womans deep voice!

Word on the street is you don't have to defend something that is good...yeah 5 pages is to much.

Really - some street walker makes a gay comment and we are 5 pages deep. Tools of the Media man, tools of the media!

You would be blind if you don't think the bible people(same as owners) will not play a role in this...where else does it say that being gay is wrong? So who else would block any gay rights stuff.

Give me a real player that comes out and I will give you a real post, until then these street clowns do nothing but show people to stay in the closet.
The ones that come out are done! Any word on any teams picking this guy or that one football player up yet? Nadda!


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TL;DR Why is this thread 5 pages long?

Yes I think we can all agree that 5 pages for some random dude's comment who used to play B-ball is way to long...but its the offseason, pointless crap makes it this far.


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The bible angle is interesting in that the only place in the bible that openly states anything against homosexuality is Leviticus, which also forbids tattooing. If people were going to heckle a homosexual due to the bible, why not someone who has tattoos? It just seems that people pick and choose whatever from the bible that they think fits their belief and comfort level.


Some very good points in there!

I think we can all be less judgemental on someone's issues if we don't know them and they are far away.

I would think the difference is this guy's issues are being jammed in everyones face right now, so folks are forced to make a right now choice and will not think highly of the person screaming "GAY GUY PLAYS B-BALL" in their face.

Everything connects and everything is a seed. ***There is a reason why no one has came out, its not a good move!


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Spokane wrote:
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The bible angle is interesting in that the only place in the bible that openly states anything against homosexuality is Leviticus, which also forbids tattooing. If people were going to heckle a homosexual due to the bible, why not someone who has tattoos? It just seems that people pick and choose whatever from the bible that they think fits their belief and comfort level.


Some very good points in there!

I think we can all be less judgemental on someone's issues if we don't know them and they are far away.

I would think the difference is this guy's issues are being jammed in everyones face right now, so folks are forced to make a right now choice and will not think highly of the person screaming "GAY GUY PLAYS B-BALL" in their face.

Everything connects and everything is a seed. ***There is a reason why no one has came out, its not a good move!


jammed in everyones face? or, you could simply ignore it. simple. those that want to make a point are taking an issue. the most telling part of this is that two days later its already moved off the front page.


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Its off the front page because it should have never been there. Street walker = no news value. They found a dude that was a has been and said do you want some cash, press and to talk to the president?

I was watching NFL live and this story is all they were talking about. So they are Jamming it everyehere.

I am just saying when you pull something from under the rug and keep showing it to everyone in the room - Someone will say something and you may not like it.


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Its off the front page because it should have never been there. Street walker = no news value. They found a dude that was a has been and said do you want some cash, press and to talk to the president?

I was watching NFL live and this story is all they were talking about. So they are Jamming it everyehere.

I am just saying when you pull something from under the rug and keep showing it to everyone in the room - Someone will say something and you may not like it.


Until the ice is broken, and eventually it happens more and more and THEN it's no longer news. Have to get past this part of it to get there, though.

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I don't think it should be a big deal, personally. I understand that it is because it's sort of a first. I do, however, think that the only reason this guy is doing it is to try to get on a team next year and make some money. Can't blame him, really.

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I think its fair to say all has been said in this thread that needed to be.

At this point any post are agenda pushers

Really all has been said, So now we get to see how posts can be made into agenda tools.

Have at it boys

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Spokane wrote:
I think its fair to say all has been said in this thread that needed to be.

At this point any post are agenda pushers

Really all has been said, So now we get to see how posts can be made into agenda tools.

Have at it boys

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As if that's not what you've been doing the entire time, jackhole. :roll:

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volsunghawk wrote:
Spokane wrote:
I think its fair to say all has been said in this thread that needed to be.

At this point any post are agenda pushers

Really all has been said, So now we get to see how posts can be made into agenda tools.

Have at it boys

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As if that's not what you've been doing the entire time, jackhole. :roll:


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The guy who posts most to this thread complains about too many posts in this thread :D

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Spokane wrote:
I think its fair to say all has been said in this thread that needed to be.

At this point any post are agenda pushers

Really all has been said, So now we get to see how posts can be made into agenda tools.

Have at it boys

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Truth. I felt the same way when Rosa Parks refused to sit in the back of the bus. How dare some black woman push their agenda on the rest of us and cause a distraction for bus riders everywhere. Totally selfish. I mean c'mon, she didn't HAVE to choose to be black.

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SacHawk2.0 wrote:
Spokane wrote:
I think its fair to say all has been said in this thread that needed to be.

At this point any post are agenda pushers

Really all has been said, So now we get to see how posts can be made into agenda tools.

Have at it boys

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Truth. I felt the same way when Rosa Parks refused to sit in the back of the bus. How dare some black woman push their agenda on the rest of us and cause a distraction for bus riders everywhere. Totally selfish. I mean c'mon, she didn't HAVE to choose to be black.


SacHawk.... do you see this as that groundbreaking of an event? Ive heard some say that sports was the final frontier of acceptance for homosexuality. But whats interesting, is atleast on the front pages, is that its the same old religious criticism coming out, nothing (that ive seen) from the actual sports world about its impact on athletics.

Just interested in your thoughts as I feel like you and a couple others really see this as a major deal.


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That's the thing, i don't think it's a major deal. What i think is a major deal is people like Spokane being obstructions to fairness and equality.

That's what matters.

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For the past decade or so, I've felt like American society has been split 50/50 on the issue. With the events of recent years, I think we've finally reached the tipping point - now it's more like 55%-60% support and 40%-45% oppose.

As a general rule, the people that oppose will ALWAYS oppose - there's really no arguing or changing their minds. It's like most other changes in society ... you wait for them to die off and be replaced by younger generations with different beliefs. They'll keep screaming loudly as they go, but eventually the voice gets quieter & quieter ....

I do think the Collins story is a big deal - not because of who he is, but because of the reaction it's been getting. I remember when Tuaolo & Ameaechi came out. Obviously, it wasn't a facebook & twitter world, so the stories didn't receive near the exposure - but the tone of the coverage was much different. They were treated more as outliers & oddities. The debate wasn't "will sports ever accept homosexuals", it was "will homsexuals ever be able to make it in sports" - a cruicial difference, because it clearly left the burden on the descriminated party. Acceptance was still in the minority.

With Collins, the attitude has been different - it's more like "okay, we know there's more and that they'll be coming out eventually too" and the pundits & players who have made negative comments have been called out and shouted down. So IMO, that just reinforces my belief society is past the tipping point and acceptance is becoming the majority.

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Spokane wrote:
I think its fair to say all has been said in this thread that needed to be.

At this point any post are agenda pushers

Really all has been said, So now we get to see how posts can be made into agenda tools.

Have at it boys

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That's the thing, i don't think it's a major deal. What i think is a major deal is people like Spokane being obstructions to fairness and equality.

That's what matters.

I just ordered up 2 packs of .net tissue, just in case I started crying too.

And its closer to...

"That's the thing, i don't think it's a major deal. What i think is a major deal is people like Spokane WHO DISAGREES WITH ME.

That's what matters."

Just think about your loving post on Tebow...Did they all show 100% fairness and equality?

Not even close...Man up, crying is for soft men. Did that guy jason they pulled off the street to say he was gay even cry for joy like this?


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Spokane wrote:
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That's the thing, i don't think it's a major deal. What i think is a major deal is people like Spokane being obstructions to fairness and equality.

That's what matters.

I just ordered up 2 packs of .net tissue, just in case I started crying too.

And its closer to...

"That's the thing, i don't think it's a major deal. What i think is a major deal is people like Spokane WHO DISAGREES WITH ME.

That's what matters."

Just think about your loving post on Tebow...Did they all show 100% fairness and equality?

Not even close...Man up, crying is for soft men. Did that guy jason they pulled off the street to say he was gay even cry for joy like this?


I'm not a person of faith but I'm going to take a crack at this anyway.

Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged"

Pretty simple right? Who are you to pass judgment.

Mark 12:18 "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars, and give to God what belongs to God"

I take this to mean that you should follow the laws of the state, whatever they may be. Give your soul to God through worship.

Take both of those together and you get "Be righteous, follow the laws of the State (Caesar) and mind your own fucking business"

Sound about right?

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^^^chuuuuch!

God gave us free will didn't he? At least that's what I was taught and how I choose to live, if someone isn't directly hurting you what the hell is the damn issue?

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^^^chuuuuch!

God gave us free will didn't he? At least that's what I was taught and how I choose to live, if someone isn't directly hurting you what the hell is the damn issue?


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SacHawk2.0 wrote:
Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged"
Pretty simple right? Who are you to pass judgment.
Mark 12:18 "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars, and give to God what belongs to God"


Who are you to pass judgment?
I am not judging. I am looking at the impact that Clemons said would happen, and trusting him. Its just not fair to the other players.
like Clemons said...Its selfish. Its just one of many reasons why it does not happen. Tip your hat to the gays for knowing when to pipe down.

Mark 12:18 "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars
Sounds like the taxes go to Caesar to me. You would think he hands out the law and would not need the law Rendered back to him.


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Could be taxes, i assumed it was obedience in general.

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Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged"
Pretty simple right? Who are you to pass judgment.
Mark 12:18 "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars, and give to God what belongs to God"


Who are you to pass judgment?
I am not judging. I am looking at the impact that Clemons said would happen, and trusting him. Its just not fair to the other players.
like Clemons said...Its selfish. Its just one of many reasons why it does not happen. Tip your hat to the gays for knowing when to pipe down.

Mark 12:18 "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars
Sounds like the taxes go to Caesar to me. You would think he hands out the law and would not need the law Rendered back to him.


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Thats my point, this thread has been done! lets work on bringing the sonics back so I can go to my one game a year! I miss them!


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I walked away, but I noticed my post were being viewed as unfair. I wanted to note my post were not any more unfair then others. We all lean. But can we do it respectfully is the key question? And so far yes. .Net is easy going. No real issues here

Don't say Spokane, and I wont post in this thread.


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I walked away, but I noticed my post were being viewed as unfair. I wanted to note my post were not any more unfair then others. We all lean. But can we do it respectfully is the key question? And so far yes. .Net is easy going. No real issues here

Don't say Spokane, and I wont post in this thread.


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Yeah but that doesn't count

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I walked away, but I noticed my post were being viewed as unfair. I wanted to note my post were not any more unfair then others. We all lean. But can we do it respectfully is the key question? And so far yes. .Net is easy going. No real issues here

Don't say Spokane, and I wont post in this thread.


Is this EnglisH?

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Does anybody care? Good for him for having the balls to come public with it, but its too bad he had too. If youre straight, be straight. If you're gay, be gay. You don't have to announce either one to me.


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I'm a 34-year-old NBA center. I'm black. And I'm gay.

I didn't set out to be the first openly gay athlete playing in a major American team sport. But since I am, I'm happy to start the conversation. I wish I wasn't the kid in the classroom raising his hand and saying, "I'm different." If I had my way, someone else would have already done this. Nobody has, which is why I'm raising my hand.


http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-o ... out-as-gay


Good for him. I heard that when he told his twin brother that he was gay, his brother was shocked. So glad this has finally happened and will be even happier when its not news anymore.

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