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What about two bolts and four nuts?


Now your talking a whole other ball game (pun intended)

I say upfront that it is extreme but pedofiles have to live in hiding too and guess what they don't think they are doing anything wrong either.

Yeah but they are, that's the difference. If you've ever seen what that does to a kid you would absolutely know why it is. HUGE, HUGE difference between 2 consenting adults having sex and what a pedophile does. (Child molesters should be executed on their 2nd offense IMO.)


Oh, and learn to spell a word before breaking it out.

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There's something oddly familiar about sprhawk.....

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There's something oddly familiar about sprhawk.....


Luckily, I'm never going to have to find out what it is. Welcome to the ignore list, bigot.

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Great for him to do this and I am quite sure there will be more to follow. I remember when one of my favorite metal singers of all time came out....Rob Halford.

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peachesenregalia wrote:
There's something oddly familiar about sprhawk.....


Luckily, I'm never going to have to find out what it is. Welcome to the ignore list, bigot.


When in Rome eh. Maybe the true hatred is on the other foot.

Notice I'm not angry? People with mental problems need help. Hear of any bad news stories lately, just keep on ignoring the problems, I'm sure they will go away.


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There's something oddly familiar about sprhawk.....


Luckily, I'm never going to have to find out what it is. Welcome to the ignore list, bigot.


When in Rome eh. Maybe the true hatred is on the other foot.

Notice I'm not angry? People with mental problems need help. Hear of any bad news stories lately, just keep on ignoring the problems, I'm sure they will go away.


Interesting you mention mental problems. :roll:

I hope someone goes away.

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There's something oddly familiar about sprhawk.....


Luckily, I'm never going to have to find out what it is. Welcome to the ignore list, bigot.


When in Rome eh. Maybe the true hatred is on the other foot.

Notice I'm not angry? People with mental problems need help. Hear of any bad news stories lately, just keep on ignoring the problems, I'm sure they will go away.


Yep. I'm sure of it.

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Either that or some crazy Westboro Baptist Church member wandered unto our board.

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sprhawk, this thread is about Collins and the impact of him coming out, not your own bigotry. Please step out of it.

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It's nice that humans can finally start being openly gay like they were in Greek and Roman times and like so many other animal species are, without shame.

Hooray progress.

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There's gay black dudes? From Stanford? Huh...not what Ahmajinedad told me.

I'm just glad its an NBA player. The NBA is simply BETTER at handling such issues. It's PA, players, ownership everything are light years more progressive than any other sport. It's the ONLY professional sport without instituionalized racism. MLB, NFL, NHL, Soccer all have loads of juicy racism that can be seen.


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Nice to see so many fellow players supporting him. Gay people aren't going anywhere, it's time to stop expecting them to hide so that the mentally small people of the world don't have to "feel uncomfortable" with it.


Growing up I heard so many adults say "we are giving up too much" and I wondered what they were talking about. Now that I have kids and am older I understand and can see the trend and where it is leading. The future isn't going to be a pretty place for our children.

There are many things that people used to consider "wrong" that have become "alright". While some of those things may not have been as wrong as others it has changed our quality of life.

A bolt is made for a nut, you can't hold anything together using 2 bolts, or 2 nuts. If your selling one without the other, sorry, but no matter what you say, I ain't buying.

Gay people want acceptance so they can deal with thier guilty consience. We all make choices in life and we all have to live with the consequences. I see no reason why anyone should accept something they consider to be wrong. To me the issue couldn't be any clearer and I find it disturbing reality of the state of our society. Reality people, get there

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Another bigot, welcome to Ignore.

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It's fine to have conflicting views on these types of high-interest topics, but if you feel the need to openly express your views on the subject, please take it to the PWR forum and keep it out of our sports forums. Thanks.

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It's fine to have conflicting views on these types of high-interest topics, but if you feel the need to openly express your views on the subject, please take it to the PWR forum and keep it out of our sports forums. Thanks.


Wow, yet another bigot. Welcome to my ignore list.


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Wow, yet another bigot. Welcome to my ignore list.


Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, and intolerance on the basis of a person's:

race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, religion, language, socioeconomic status, or other status.

So let's play a game, what doesn't belong in the list above?

Answer - Sexual orientation / Gender identification are asking you to believe a lie.

All others are Truths.

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Lol hope you had fun on the board, bro.

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I guess the bright side is that this thread has only caused 2 bigots to pop their heads up ... they'll always be there, and there's no way to reason with them or change their minds: the prejudices and misinformation are just too ingrained ... but the numbers are dwindling. Society evolves slowly, but it does evolve.

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As long as homosexuality is a minority group I expect "coming out" to be a deal. However, I expect eventually that "coming out" will be something done much sooner and with more support. Of course when it comes to the player's prowess on the court I expect a time very soon where their sexual openness has absolutely nothing to do with whether they make the team or not.

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A bolt is made for a nut, you can't hold anything together using 2 bolts, or 2 nuts. If your selling one without the other, sorry, but no matter what you say, I ain't buying.


If only simple colloquialisms could solve all of societies great debates. Yet, they don't, because they are just ignorant generalizations.


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lol I don't see what the big deal is, whats the harm in letting people do their business if it isn't hurting someone?

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Answer - Sexual orientation / Gender identification are asking you to believe a lie.



Funny, every legit scientific study I've heard of points to these things bring inborn, not choices.

What evidence have you to the contrary?

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It absolutely amazes me that an athlete can literally commit murder and fans will continue to support them yet those same fans can't forgive someone because they like to put a body part somewhere that they don't.

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Contrary to the media saying so, he's not the first athlete to come out and say he's gay. Former OS DL and Packer Esera Tuala was open about being gay in the 90s.

I beleive most people dont honestly care about this, it's just the media trying to stir the pot. If a hawk came out today, it wouldn't change my view of him at all.


The difference is that Tuaolo came out after he retired, Collins is the first athlete to come out while still active.


Yeah, but barely. He isn't signed by any team, and he's 34 almost 35. There is no guarantee he will be the first "active" athlete who's gay.


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Wow, that was some of the most reactionary, anecdotal bull I've come across in a while. Most adults here seem to have a strong grip on reality (I applaud those); but sometimes you have to step back in amazement and almost shock at the responses an action like this will get out of people.

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I wonder what sprhawk would think of Russell Wilson came out. Would you support him?


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I wonder what sprhawk would think of Russell Wilson came out. Would you support him?


That would be hilarious. I doubt it, but hilarious none the less.

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I wonder what sprhawk would think of Russell Wilson came out. Would you support him?


That would be hilarious. I doubt it, but hilarious none the less.


I'm thinking 75% of this board would be trying to date him.

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I wonder what sprhawk would think of Russell Wilson came out. Would you support him?


That would be hilarious. I doubt it, but hilarious none the less.


I'm thinking 75% of this board would be trying to date him.


I'm thinking he would get 110% of pehawks attention.

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I wonder what sprhawk would think of Russell Wilson came out. Would you support him?


That would be hilarious. I doubt it, but hilarious none the less.


I'm thinking 75% of this board would be trying to date him.


I've already called dibs. My wife understands - she's got dibs until he comes out.


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Not surprising he chose a career on the hardwood. And specializes on D.


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Not surprising he chose a career on the hardwood. And specializes on D.


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This whole issue has no effect on any of us, so I don't care what way the chips fall.
I hope the very best for that young man and hopefully he can grab a spot on an NBA team this year!

It does seem to have an effect on the workers around the person who "come out" at the pro sports level. Our own Chris Clemons had this to say about someone comeing out while still playing...

"I'm not against anyone but I think it's a selfish act. They are just trying to make themselves bigger than the team. I just think something's should be left at home"
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The key is "leaving it at home" A player really creates a tough spot for the entire team when they add anything from outside the sport, into the sport (Example Tebow and the Bible) All the other players/FO are now forced to answer questions about some activity outside of the sport.

Try the same thing at your work and see if it flys...Stand at the door and say "Hi my name is Tom, I am gay, weclome to Walmart. (Fired)

This truly is something that should be left at home,

When you cause others to strian due to your non job related comments, you may be asked to leave...its why you don't know 99.895% of pro players politcal views. Its just not the right time. His next team's owner will have to ask himself if the lifetime full of the same questions about this guy is worth it? If this guy makes a team, The drama will be like Dennis Rodman x 10 and thats a distraction no owner wants. But maybe he is worth it. We will know if he gets picked up. I hope so!


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So at a team function where families are invited, does someone who hasn't come out show up with his partner or not?

One way or another, it's going to be news to some level. That's just the way it is right now. Seems like the only way it "creates a tough spot" is for people who are uncomfortable around homosexuality. That's on them, isn't it?

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If there was a sport to come out in, the NBA is it. There's a lot of players from areas where its a lot more acceptable, talking like New York, DC, Chicago, California, Seattle, so called "liberal" areas.

NFL on the other hand, its going to be a tougher road, you do have guys from areas that are stuck in their ways and frown upon homosexuality.

Hope I didn't come across as ignorant in this post.

Also can we stop calling this dude a current player? he's only considered that because he hasn't filed for retirement from the league. He's a 34-year-old journey man career back up, I'd be surprised if anyone comes calling for him for anything other than a camp invite to see whats there, and its not because of his orientation.

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He'll play next year. He's 7'. It may take an injury or two, but he'll play.


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He'll play next year. He's 7'. It may take an injury or two, but he'll play.


He may have just assured himself a spot on the roster with this move. Teams will be falling over themselves to be the first team with an openly gay player. Well played, Jason Collins....well played.

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If he's the top, does his partner have to start with a PG or something? I'd assume you have to work your way up to a 7'? There's got to be a gateway partner in these situations.

"Jason, sweetie, can we start with Nate Robinson coming over for a night, first?"


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If he's the top, does his partner have to start with a PG or something? I'd assume you have to work your way up to a 7'? There's got to be a gateway partner in these situations.

"Jason, sweetie, can we start with Nate Robinson coming over for a night, first?"


I think it's the opposite. He'd start with Hasheem Thabeet and work his way down. Start with what you know, then gradually work your way out of your comfort zone. Nate Robinson is the end result, not the gateway.

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He'll play next year. He's 7'. It may take an injury or two, but he'll play.


He may have just assured himself a spot on the roster with this move. Teams will be falling over themselves to be the first team with an openly gay player. Well played, Jason Collins....well played.


I was thinking this the other day as well. Coming out now may have extended his career, not ended it.

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If he's the top, does his partner have to start with a PG or something? I'd assume you have to work your way up to a 7'? There's got to be a gateway partner in these situations.

"Jason, sweetie, can we start with Nate Robinson coming over for a night, first?"


I think it's the opposite. He'd start with Hasheem Thabeet and work his way down. Start with what you know, then gradually work your way out of your comfort zone. Nate Robinson is the end result, not the gateway.


Hmmm, it would appear we've reached a genuine disagreement here. We need an expert to put this to rest.

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It's based on shoe size I believe

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If he's the top, does his partner have to start with a PG or something? I'd assume you have to work your way up to a 7'? There's got to be a gateway partner in these situations.

"Jason, sweetie, can we start with Nate Robinson coming over for a night, first?"


I think it's the opposite. He'd start with Hasheem Thabeet and work his way down. Start with what you know, then gradually work your way out of your comfort zone. Nate Robinson is the end result, not the gateway.


Hmmm, it would appear we've reached a genuine disagreement here. We need an expert to put this to rest.

Can you contact that bear, Zeb?


Yeah, I'll hit him up. If anyone can sort us out on this issue, it's him.

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 Post subject: Re: So NBA player Jason Collins is gay.
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Seems like the only way it "creates a tough spot" is for people who are uncomfortable around homosexuality. That's on them, isn't it?


I can see what you are saying but not in real life. The owners have so much money, power and people loving up on them for all the good they do...the LAST thing anyone of them wants is their named dragged through the mud. That is why companies have so many different levels of managment however only one guy at the top is really in charge.

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The owners have so much cash and so little time left in life that all they want to do is give and play!
This topic will be laughed at the club house and questioned at church (even though nobody should judge)
These two areas can be everything to these owners! They are unwilling to have one pawn create a joke at the owners expense in the locker room at the club house....aint going to happen!

Clemons said it was bad for the team, in real time it puts one guy above the rest (Think Tebow). He knows and lives through it. We can't question someone who is walking in his shoes without looking blind.

Sales will go down. Jokes will go up. Nobody wants to be the butt of a joke...the team who picks up a gay is DONE!
Fans are no joke, they will bring the heat to the whole team. ALL DAY, would you want that? Nobody wants to deal with other people's crap. You think the locker room will be a sweet place for him after getting the team cussed out everytime they walk out?

Like Clemons said, its selfish to "come out" and I think the gays understand that - so they don't.


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 Post subject: Re: So NBA player Jason Collins is gay.
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I strongly disagree with your perception, Spokane, but you've taken pains to present it in a reasonable light so I'll try my best to respond in a reasonable light.

Clearly there is going to be some difficulty for the first gay player and the first team with an openly gay player. In my opinion, this is absolutely no different than the first black player and the first team with a black player. Was that 'selfish' because race was brought into the sport? Or was that a wholly positive thing for the sport in the long run? I would argue the latter. Fear and hatred of homosexuality in the public at large should not be a reason for players to feel they need to hide the fact that they're gay, and while I don't think that a player's homosexuality should be newsworthy, it currently is. And it won't stop being newsworthy until we stop making the same heteronormative assumptions.

So while I agree that it will cause some difficulties in the short run, that doesn't mean that in the long run this isn't a battle worth having. I'm glad he's out. I hope he lands on a team, because this is a fight worth having.


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 Post subject: Re: So NBA player Jason Collins is gay.
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Having the first black player was a big issue, so is the first openly gay player. I hope Collins gets signed. That way the step has truly been taken and we are a lot closer to the goal, which is the point where this will be a non-issue. Collins will be remembered as an important man, and rightly so.

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 Post subject: Re: So NBA player Jason Collins is gay.
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Spokane wrote:
AbsolutNET wrote:
Seems like the only way it "creates a tough spot" is for people who are uncomfortable around homosexuality. That's on them, isn't it?


I can see what you are saying but not in real life...


So a gay athlete should pretend to be straight until he is out of the league? He isn't allowed to engage in an open romantic relationship while playing?

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