Can everyone please just boycott the mariners?

therealjohncarlson wrote:I was already pissed off at them for trying to block the sonics from coming here, but now with their pitiful start including A LOSING RECORD TO THE ASTROS!! I am ready to boycott them until some real changes our made. First off they need to can Wedge's ass. Stupid move after stupid move with benching Ryan being the latest. They need new coaches too. Why the hell are our players good at batting until they come to the mariners? And then suddenly they blow after they come here? And Jack Z's trades have mostly all been abysmal. Can his ass as well.

So even though I planned on going to a couple M's game this summer when I got home, I now realized it is full on detrimental to help fund this sinking ship. I pledge to not go to another game until real changes are made

Jazzhawk wrote:

Can everyone please just boycott the mariners?

Ya, 'cause this worked so damn well with the Sonics. Wait......

therealjohncarlson wrote:I was already pissed off at them for trying to block the sonics from coming here, but now with their pitiful start including A LOSING RECORD TO THE ASTROS!! I am ready to boycott them until some real changes our made. First off they need to can Wedge's ass. Stupid move after stupid move with benching Ryan being the latest. They need new coaches too. Why the hell are our players good at batting until they come to the mariners? And then suddenly they blow after they come here? And Jack Z's trades have mostly all been abysmal. Can his ass as well.

So even though I planned on going to a couple M's game this summer when I got home, I now realized it is full on detrimental to help fund this sinking ship. I pledge to not go to another game until real changes are made

m0ng0 wrote:a better seat for me I say

m0ng0 wrote:a better seat for me I say

pinksheets wrote:They didn't give me a god damn beard hat.

pinksheets wrote:They didn't give me a god damn beard hat.

Snohomie wrote:I stuck with the Mariners through the lows and lows of the past 9 years, but I stopped supporting them after they threw a hissyfit over the new NBA/NHL arena.

I can handle losing. I can't handle the slap in the face the Mariners gave all joint Mariners/Sonics fans.

twisted_steel2 wrote:So I dont follow the Mariners enough to know this, but what is the problem? Where is the problem?

Is it the ownership? Arent they owned by some old Japanese dude thats never even been to Safeco?

Wedge?

Year after year, whats the issue?

Hawkfan77 wrote:Nope, I'm still going to the games because that's what fans do.

I'm not one of those fair-weather, bandwagon part time fan though...

therealjohncarlson wrote:

Hawkfan77 wrote:Nope, I'm still going to the games because that's what fans do.

I'm not one of those fair-weather, bandwagon part time fan though...

Do you also buy crappy products because "thats what consumers do"? Sports is a business. Don't sell yourself short by thinking you don't deserve to spend your money on something good.

twisted_steel2 wrote:So I dont follow the Mariners enough to know this, but what is the problem? Where is the problem?

Is it the ownership? Arent they owned by some old Japanese dude thats never even been to Safeco?

Wedge?

Year after year, whats the issue?

therealjohncarlson wrote:

Hawkfan77 wrote:Nope, I'm still going to the games because that's what fans do.

I'm not one of those fair-weather, bandwagon part time fan though...

Do you also buy crappy products because "thats what consumers do"? Sports is a business. Don't sell yourself short by thinking you don't deserve to spend your money on something good.

Throwdown wrote:

therealjohncarlson wrote:
Do you also buy crappy products because "thats what consumers do"? Sports is a business. Don't sell yourself short by thinking you don't deserve to spend your money on something good.

Who cares what he spends his money on? it ain't hurtin' no body.

There's more than just going to root for the M's, going to the stadium itself is fun, if he likes going there why call him a sheep?

jkitsune wrote:
It's a variety of things, which isn't surprising, because I imagine that if the issue were singular it would have much more easily been addressed by now. Ownership is very uninvolved in the team, which in and of itself doesn't have to be a problem, but when an organization isn't working well, having absent ownership can be a problem. That said, having OVERinvolved ownership, particularly when the owner is a buffoon, can also be a problem.

During the Bavasi years, the Mariners were devastated by a series of catastrophically stupid baseball moves. The talent that the Mariners shipped away during the Bavasi years for no returns is staggering, and is enough to make you want to vomit. This is all pretty well-documented and is the absolute foundation of the team's struggles. That Lincoln/Armstrong let Bavasi stick around long enough to devastate the team in this manner is inexcusable.

During the Zduriencik years, the Mariners have made much better baseball decisions (no, not all of them are winners), but have suffered their fair share of awful luck. Everyone thought Smoak, Montero, and Ackley would hit (and maybe Montero and Ackley still will), and if those three players were hitting to their potential right now, the Mariners look like a completely different team. Getting Guti (et al) for Putz was a stroke of brilliance, and if not for injury troubles, he'd be a star. A lot of extremely talented young players have completely tanked on the Mariners, and while you could assume that must be an indictment of coaching staff, I think it's more likely beyond the team's control. Prospects are always fluky in this way, and the Mariners have been on the receiving end of more than their share of highly-touted prospects flaming out.

Zduriencik is also hamstrung by a relatively limited budget. It's not true that management is UNWILLING to spend, and they have certainly made their fair share of lucrative offers, but unfortunately, the Mariners' reputation as a club (and the tendency of talented hitters to fade into nothingness in Seattle) makes them a difficult place to sell to free agents. You could argue whether or not buying bats like Fielder and Pujols is a good idea for the team, but I think it's fair to say that IF you had an unlimited budget, it's a fine idea - the Mariners don't, unfortunately.

On top of that, Zduriencik has suddenly decided that adding aging vets on 1-year deals to take up otherwise-useful at-bats from younger players is a fine idea. Jason Bay is one thing, but Raul Ibanez is another entirely. It probably doesn't substantially harm the club, but it certainly doesn't help the club.

I'm sure I could think of others, but the bottom line is - the Mariners are a mess. Their highly-talented farm system/trades produced three top-tier hitting talents that are all tanking. Those three were supposed to be the cornerstone of a new generation of Mariners that would carry the team back to relevance. That it hasn't happened is pretty devastating to the franchise. Seager seems good. Maybe Saunders and Zunino will be good. Maybe Ackley and Montero will turn it around, and Smoak will be the only loss of the three. Here's hoping.

Sports Hernia wrote:"...I will not give the M's another dime thru ticket or merchandise sales until Lincoln and Armstrong are gone..."

Seahawk Sailor wrote:After seeing the Seahawks completely revamp the organization from a laughingstock disaster to the potential for a dynasty in three short years, I have even less faith in the Mariners than I did before. I'm sorry, but fielding a crappy product and actively working against other local sports franchises, and trying to shellac it with a cheep coat of humor and a beard hat is not a professional way to run a sports franchise. Disjointed leadership in the team + concerted effort to keep the Sonics away + laughable product on the field + gimmicks and funny commercials as the only efforts to bring fans in = train wreck I am not willing to pay to see.

RolandDeschain wrote:Their attempts at blocking the Sonics really pissed me off. I already am boycotting them. I normally go to 1-2 games each season to support the local team, but not now. Thank the baby Jesus that the Seahawks officially supported the arena deal.

TheRealDTM wrote:Unless we want to be a 1 sport city we probably shouldn't boycott the Mariners.

TheRealDTM wrote:Unless we want to be a 1 sport city we probably shouldn't boycott the Mariners.

therealjohncarlson wrote:

TheRealDTM wrote:Unless we want to be a 1 sport city we probably shouldn't boycott the Mariners.

Seahawks and Sounders both get great attendance and actually care about winning. Not sure where you're getting 1 potential sport from.

therealjohncarlson wrote:

Hawkfan77 wrote:Nope, I'm still going to the games because that's what fans do.

I'm not one of those fair-weather, bandwagon part time fan though...

Do you also buy crappy products because "thats what consumers do"? Sports is a business. Don't sell yourself short by thinking you don't deserve to spend your money on something good.

CurryStopstheRuns wrote:Are you going to begin trolling a mass of threads now? You are not doing very good at the one thread that you should remain in with your posts that wreak of whining.

pinksheets wrote:

therealjohncarlson wrote:

TheRealDTM wrote:Unless we want to be a 1 sport city we probably shouldn't boycott the Mariners.

Seahawks and Sounders both get great attendance and actually care about winning. Not sure where you're getting 1 potential sport from.

I'm not willing to give up Major League Baseball for a lower tier soccer league.

Uncle Si wrote:I think we can cut salamander some slack here because (despite the consistent inability to grasp the emotions of Sonics fans on this board) he does have a point. Boycotting and poor team attendance only fuel owners to move on, not make changes. On the contrary, in the Premier League fans take to the streets all the time to protest ownership and often help facilitate changes and in some cases push the owners out. However, ownership of teams here in the US know they have the power and dont feel threatened by the whims of its fans.

Now, the Ms seem to be getting things together a little.

salamander wrote:

CurryStopstheRuns wrote:Are you going to begin trolling a mass of threads now? You are not doing very good at the one thread that you should remain in with your posts that wreak of whining.

If this is directed at me, my comment was relevant to the conversation, whereas yours was not. You're calling me out for 'whining' in a board about boycotting your home team. Sacramento was about to (and still might) lose their team because of bad management; if you want to ignore that example then fine; boycott the team until your owner can blame bad attendance on the bad market and move the team to North Carolina.

salamander wrote:First off, I come here because I'm a Seahawks fan. Second, I haven't been disrespectful to any of the Sonics or Mariner fans. In fact I'm doing Mariner fans a favor by warning them what can happen when you don't support a bad team. I'm not trolling. What's the point of a forum if you only say what everyone already believes and wants to hear. I trust the people here can make up their own opinions without censoring or intimidating people with alternate points of view.

salamander wrote:First off, I come here because I'm a Seahawks fan. Second, I haven't been disrespectful to any of the Sonics or Mariner fans. In fact I'm doing Mariner fans a favor by warning them what can happen when you don't support a bad team. I'm not trolling. What's the point of a forum if you only say what everyone already believes and wants to hear. I trust the people here can make up their own opinions without censoring or intimidating people with alternate points of view.