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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:41 pm
  • Miller and Franklin are going to be studs for us. Miller has as good of range as Ryan has.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Fri Jul 19, 2013 7:09 pm
  • Screw it, I'm taking the plunge. I am ALL IN on Brad Miller.

    jkitsune: Thanks for the discussion. I like to hear perspectives from other people. About the only thing I know is that I don't know that much about many topics, and baseball is one of 'em.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:04 pm
  • Smelly McUgly wrote:Screw it, I'm taking the plunge. I am ALL IN on Brad Miller.

    jkitsune: Thanks for the discussion. I like to hear perspectives from other people. About the only thing I know is that I don't know that much about many topics, and baseball is one of 'em.


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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:46 am
  • I have even come around on Smoak! Ackley is the piece that needs to put up or move on now. We are creeping up towards .500 which was my expectation for the year with Saunders, Harrang and whatever other scrub we can throw at teams. If the offense continues to gel and we can start to mix in the young guns (when deemed ready) to the back end of the rotation we could be pretty good next year.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:37 pm
  • Tell me how well we are playing when the sun goes down, our improved hitting has happened just about the time the weather here has got hot, ball carries a lot better. I am glad the youngsters are getting better, but consistent play over months and not weeks is the next step and in the heavy weather of fall and early spring. I know the Mariners had the hottest or one of the hottest offense's in July so far.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:54 pm
  • The M's are so hot they got 1 hit and are winning 4-2.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:55 am
  • Can't believe I'm watching these guys. They've got me interested again. Hell, I'm posting on a football forum.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:59 am
  • with Felix on the hill that should be lights out, Franklin with a grand salami !
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:53 am
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:32 pm
  • Look are our young guys. This is turning in to a bright spot on a dim team.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:50 pm
  • The Ms are looking very impressive right now. Really hope they keep it up.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:46 pm
  • The Angels and Astros are still the Angels and Astros. If the Mariners can take a couple series from good teams, I'll be happier. All of that said, it's really nice to see the young guys succeeding, and gives me a fair amount of hope for the future. If Saunders and Ackley can figure something out, that's not an awful roster.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:14 pm
  • Win the next couple of series, and they could be around .500 and only a few game out of the wc.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:09 pm
  • jkitsune wrote:The Angels and Astros are still the Angels and Astros. If the Mariners can take a couple series from good teams, I'll be happier. All of that said, it's really nice to see the young guys succeeding, and gives me a fair amount of hope for the future. If Saunders and Ackley can figure something out, that's not an awful roster.


    How about the Rangers and Reds? Outside of one game vs the red sox, they also played that series very well.

    I'm not too concerned about Ackley or Saunders. The bigger question is can this offense survive when the day comes when they lose Morales and Ibanez.

    Another immediate issue is while all this sudden offense is great. Our pitching is extremely inconsistent. The ball pen is even worse. While they have shown flashes, they often are letting games slip away
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:29 am
  • Ibanez will re sign if its offered (hunch), Morales on the other hand is an unknown, all the team can do is make him an qualifying offer and let the chips fall where they may or trade him. Since Morales agent is a douche I assume we lose him and if so we probably get a compensatory pick? I hate losing one of our only good right handed sticks......
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:06 am
  • Yeah we'll see how they do in this Cleveland series. If they can take 2 of 3 against a good team I'll start to get excited.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:57 am
  • Trenchbroom wrote:Yeah we'll see how they do in this Cleveland series. If they can take 2 of 3 against a good team I'll start to get excited.

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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:37 am
  • As stated, they already took two out of three against two good teams this month, Rangers and Reds, both of those on the road.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:57 pm
  • Vpk0718 wrote:As stated, they already took two out of three against two good teams this month, Rangers and Reds, both of those on the road.

    Yeah but they weren't closing back in on .500. Being the Mariners, as soon as they get close to or at .500, they tend to go on a 7 game losing streak. So forgive some of us for our caution here. Sincerely hope your logic holds my friend.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:44 pm
  • I just want to see the young guys continue to produce - Smoak, Franklin, Miller - and Saunders, Zunino, and Ackley show improvement. With that bullpen and back-end of the rotation I'm not expecting anything too different win/loss wise.

    A splash of Walker, Ramirez, and maybe Paxton in September could give us an idea of what an improved rotation would look like next year.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:34 pm
  • amill87 wrote:
    jkitsune wrote:The Angels and Astros are still the Angels and Astros. If the Mariners can take a couple series from good teams, I'll be happier. All of that said, it's really nice to see the young guys succeeding, and gives me a fair amount of hope for the future. If Saunders and Ackley can figure something out, that's not an awful roster.


    How about the Rangers and Reds? Outside of one game vs the red sox, they also played that series very well.

    I'm not too concerned about Ackley or Saunders. The bigger question is can this offense survive when the day comes when they lose Morales and Ibanez.

    Another immediate issue is while all this sudden offense is great. Our pitching is extremely inconsistent. The ball pen is even worse. While they have shown flashes, they often are letting games slip away


    I'm aware that they've won some series against good teams, but if regression to the mean is going to occur, it's going to occur, and 4-run 9th innings won't produce wins against other teams... as you said. So, yeah, we'll see. If Saunders can get back on track and Ackley can start to pick it up, the Mariners are suddenly young and effective (starting pitching pending).
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:00 pm
  • That was a close one, 7 straight. Man I can only imagine how other teams fans feel that are right there in the hunt for the playoffs, I'm sitting here getting all excited to just approach .500 lol
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:01 pm
  • GoldenIsThyTate wrote:That was a close one, 7 straight. Man I can only imagine how other teams fans feel that are right there in the hunt for the playoffs, I'm sitting here getting all excited to just approach .500 lol


    Your boy Tate threw out the first pitch. That was pretty cool
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:08 pm
  • therealjohncarlson wrote:
    GoldenIsThyTate wrote:Your boy Tate threw out the first pitch. That was pretty cool


    Yup, It's so awesome how I've loved Tate since he was in college and now he plays for and roots for my favorite teams.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:13 pm
  • jkitsune wrote:
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    jkitsune wrote:The Angels and Astros are still the Angels and Astros. If the Mariners can take a couple series from good teams, I'll be happier. All of that said, it's really nice to see the young guys succeeding, and gives me a fair amount of hope for the future. If Saunders and Ackley can figure something out, that's not an awful roster.


    How about the Rangers and Reds? Outside of one game vs the red sox, they also played that series very well.

    I'm not too concerned about Ackley or Saunders. The bigger question is can this offense survive when the day comes when they lose Morales and Ibanez.

    Another immediate issue is while all this sudden offense is great. Our pitching is extremely inconsistent. The ball pen is even worse. While they have shown flashes, they often are letting games slip away


    I'm aware that they've won some series against good teams, but if regression to the mean is going to occur, it's going to occur, and 4-run 9th innings won't produce wins against other teams... as you said. So, yeah, we'll see. If Saunders can get back on track and Ackley can start to pick it up, the Mariners are suddenly young and effective (starting pitching pending).


    Assuming you're talking about Sunday's game with that 4-run 9th inning comment, that doesn't happen if it's not a 12-1 blowout. They're not going to trot out LaFramboise and Farquhar if it's a close game.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:32 am
  • Vpk0718 wrote:
    Assuming you're talking about Sunday's game with that 4-run 9th inning comment, that doesn't happen if it's not a 12-1 blowout. They're not going to trot out LaFramboise and Farquhar if it's a close game.


    I think he was speaking of the Indians game last night that Seattle won 2-1 with Harrang pitching 8)
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:41 am
  • Bartender got the Indians monkey off of his back--hopefully.

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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:20 am
  • Hard to stay up to see the conclusions of home games (work at 3am), but I've been watching intensely this past week or so. Keep it up! Miller time!
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:41 am
  • Reading through a lot of this thread it makes me wonder to what level people actually know the game of baseball and how it's played and managed or if they're just box-score and standings fans. The 4-run 9th comment is a perfect example of not understanding situational baseball and this is a simple one. Our 4 weakest relievers closed out that game with a 12 run cushion. None of those guys are throwing in a tight game. Medina, Bartender, Furbush and Perez are not going in that game unless things really got out of hand in the 9th.

    If that was a 3-1 type game, Felix for sure pitches in the 7th and maybe the 8th depending on how quick he got out of the 7th. He threw 99 after 8 days of starter rest(with 1 inning in the ASG). 115 pitches is a good soft cap for Felix. He threw 125+ in a few games last season.

    I'm no longer in the "wait and see" mode. This team is going to be a contender next year and Im just going to enjoy watching them grow together the rest of this season. They'll finish within a couple games of .500 on either side, and that'll be a successful year. I wish people would stop being so tentative about how much fun they're to watch right now, throwing a turd in the punchbowl with the fears that they'll go on a slide. So what? We're seeing the growth and the potential. They'll hit a few bumps in the road. I'm an optimist and still don't expect them to pull a miracle run to 90+ wins. Enjoy the ride.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:39 pm
  • Morse is finding his stroke in Tacoma, so I can see him joining the team quite soon !
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:40 pm
  • Will be interesting to see how Morse fits into the lineup now. It's going to be one of those "good" problems if he is ready to go and comes back stroking like he did the first few weeks of the season.

    If Ackley keeps improving at the dish, it'll be hard to keep him on the bench for defensive reasons, which then puts Morse into the OF/DH/1B rotation bucket between he, Raul, Morales and Smoak. Might actually be a good time to give Raul a little more rest with the ridiculous traveling they're going to be doing over the next month. Home til Sunday, @ Boston starting tuesday, then to Baltimore, then back home for TOR and MIL, then all the way down to Tampa, Texas and Oakland(that's a trip).
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:51 pm
  • I am hoping that Morse comes back, mashes for a week, and then we trade him for a third starter or someone who can play left field, take walks, and hit for enough power to have a decent ISO.

    Well, that, or I hope Kendrys Morales magically figures out how to run and play left, but that last one isn't happening.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:57 pm
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:01 pm
  • Wow, the M's are really coming together. Amazing the amount of young guys who give Raul props for their hitting, maybe we should hire him as the hitting coach once he retires.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:26 pm
  • CrimsonWazzu wrote:Reading through a lot of this thread it makes me wonder to what level people actually know the game of baseball and how it's played and managed or if they're just box-score and standings fans. The 4-run 9th comment is a perfect example of not understanding situational baseball and this is a simple one. Our 4 weakest relievers closed out that game with a 12 run cushion. None of those guys are throwing in a tight game. Medina, Bartender, Furbush and Perez are not going in that game unless things really got out of hand in the 9th.

    If that was a 3-1 type game, Felix for sure pitches in the 7th and maybe the 8th depending on how quick he got out of the 7th. He threw 99 after 8 days of starter rest(with 1 inning in the ASG). 115 pitches is a good soft cap for Felix. He threw 125+ in a few games last season.

    I'm no longer in the "wait and see" mode. This team is going to be a contender next year and Im just going to enjoy watching them grow together the rest of this season. They'll finish within a couple games of .500 on either side, and that'll be a successful year. I wish people would stop being so tentative about how much fun they're to watch right now, throwing a turd in the punchbowl with the fears that they'll go on a slide. So what? We're seeing the growth and the potential. They'll hit a few bumps in the road. I'm an optimist and still don't expect them to pull a miracle run to 90+ wins. Enjoy the ride.


    I'm going to ignore the jab at my baseball knowledge (except for that comment acknowledging its existence, and this one clarifying it), and instead point out that blowing 9th-inning leads is far from unfamiliar territory for the Mariners this year. Wilhelmson managed to wriggle his way out of this one, but near-calamity occurs with alarming frequency this year, and walking such a tightrope is not going to lead to consistently good results. 4 runs in a blowout ninth against the Astros against our worst relievers is not something to jump off a cliff over, but I think the team trend of losing games late and in high-pressure situations is worth noting, commenting on, and hoping improves.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:31 pm
  • Zunino seems to be adjusting to breaking balls at the MLB level from the eye test, and he actually plays good defense at catcher. I was wrong about it being a mistake to bring him up this early.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:54 am
  • What's weird is they aren't playing necessarily 'good' baseball. They are just finding ways to win, which is something they haven't done in YEARS.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:11 am
  • I would say that the M's are indeed playing 'good' baseball of late.

    Few stats for the month of July (and what a month!)

    18 games played
    Record 13-5 (0.722%)
    Outscored opponents 108-83 (or 6 runs/game vs. 4.6 runs/game averaged)
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:16 am
  • Our streak will inevitably end soon enough, that's just baseball. But if we keep winning series, and if Baltimore, Texas & New York struggle - just a bit - we might actually be in a position of contention for the 2nd wild card slot.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:30 am
  • SonicHawk wrote:What's weird is they aren't playing necessarily 'good' baseball. They are just finding ways to win, which is something they haven't done in YEARS.


    There is quite a bit of good baseball being played right now, certainly far more than the sloppy ball we saw last night and the weirdness of Saturday's game.

    So yeah, disagree.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:05 am
  • Very interesting turn of events with the trade deadline fast approaching. The kids have certainly been playing well and in the absence of veteran help outside Morales and Ibanez.

    So now what? Can't trade the youngsters as outside Seager, Iwakuma and the King no one has real value in return. But the hope of potential is raised again.

    The vets have frittered away. Bay, Morse, Guti et all really wouldn't bring anything back. Saunders and Ramirez the same.

    Ibanez and Morales are it and I just wouldn't do it.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:08 am
  • Morales, but only if you can get a TOP prospect in return.

    Then we turn around and re-sign him in the off-season.
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Re: Let's Talk Mariners
Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:15 am
  • This Mariners team is turning out to be a rather pleasant surprise. They are making a run of it and will probably fall short this season, but there is actually hope for the future. It would not surprise me if they managed to turn a winning record out of the shit show they put on at the start of the season, much as our Seahawks did.
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