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 Post subject: Re: Let's Talk Mariners
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The Ms obviously are not a very good team. The White Sox are just worse than they are; a decent team like the NYY exposes them. My fear is that I don't see the Ms getting better in the future (3-5 years) after looking at the Seahawks and how they draft and contrasting that the Ms I have reached some conclusions.

The Seahawks draft high upside players. Players that for whatever reason are athletes but didn't show it in combine tests or try outs. A bad year, injury, out of position etc.

The Ms try as much as possible to go for the safe bet. Low risk, good character bit most of the time have a low upside. Pretty much what you see is what you get.

They seem to do better when they sign free agents that have a good track record but a bad year or two. That is pretty much the only position players doing anything on the team today.

It seems to me that the Ms are betting a whole lot on the Farm system developing position players for the team and it has just not happened. Doing the same thing over and over when it is not working is foolish.

I would take a hard look at the scouting and coaching in the minor league system. If they really want to use a farm team centric approach they need to find out why the farm system is failing and fix it


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Sounds like RW is throwing out the first pitch tonight, with our pitching it may be the best we see tonight ! :D

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Sounds like RW is throwing out the first pitch tonight, with our pitching it may be the best we see tonight ! :D



Go to the vine video site Kam Chancellor has a video of RW throwing the "first pitch" in the the Hawks locker room. He is user bambamkam


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I'd request that he pitch the rest of the game if it weren't for the possibility of him getting hurt.


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Two batters in and Bonderman looks like Bonderman. Time for Wilson!

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Two batters in and Bonderman looks like Bonderman. Time for Wilson!


6 Innings 3 hits, one run (earned) not bad. Bartender closed the deal.


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Really good to see Bonderman have a decent outing. Dude's a Washington native (Pasco) and I always root for homegrowns.

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Zunino was called up and is being flown in from Vegas as we speak


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WHen's his first game? :) I hope they're not rushing the kid.

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WHen's his first game? :) I hope they're not rushing the kid.


Dont worry they are

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He's hitting like .240 in the PCL. Yeah, he's being rushed. Watch the Ms ruin another prospect.

Edited to note that his line is .238/.303/.503. In AAA. Yep.

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Well, they do need a catcher as Kelly isn't an everyday catcher anymore and Sucre is hurt and probably headed to the DL. The Banks kid they just called up was barely hitting .200 in AA and Montero is hurt for 6-8 weeks and probably suspended for 50 games once the MLB drops the hammer on him and the others on the PED list. They are calling him up because they are out of options at C.

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I'd rather keep Bantz until either Jesus is ready to come back than rush Zunino to the majors. Awful move that could seriously hurt his development. He's not ready.


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Yeah, I've got a lot of faith and hope invested in Zunino, but I think it's too early.


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So, Aaron Harang just threw a two-hit shutout.

In other news, the Astros are truly abysmal.

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So, Aaron Harang just threw a two-hit shutout.

In other news, the Astros are truly abysmal.


Marlins are worse than the Astros right now.

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So, Aaron Harang just threw a two-hit shutout.

In other news, the Astros are truly abysmal.



True but Harrang is like that. He will get shelled one night and throw a cgso. Even against decent competition.


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Well, they do need a catcher as Kelly isn't an everyday catcher anymore and Sucre is hurt and probably headed to the DL. The Banks kid they just called up was barely hitting .200 in AA and Montero is hurt for 6-8 weeks and probably suspended for 50 games once the MLB drops the hammer on him and the others on the PED list. They are calling him up because they are out of options at C.

What's Montero got to do with the catcher position?

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Well, they do need a catcher as Kelly isn't an everyday catcher anymore and Sucre is hurt and probably headed to the DL. The Banks kid they just called up was barely hitting .200 in AA and Montero is hurt for 6-8 weeks and probably suspended for 50 games once the MLB drops the hammer on him and the others on the PED list. They are calling him up because they are out of options at C.

What's Montero got to do with the catcher position?


Not much......... :th2thumbs:

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And of course Tom craps the bed and costs the M's their first sweep of the season. Still only team to not have swept a series yet in the majors.......pathetic.

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Gotta stick with Wilhelmsen, he's your closer.

What if we made him...not our closer?

Gotta stick with him, he's your closer.

Yeah but what if he wasn't.

But he is.

But we can replace him.

But you gotta stick with him, he's your closer.


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Gotta stick with Wilhelmsen, he's your closer.

What if we made him...not our closer?

Gotta stick with him, he's your closer.

Yeah but what if he wasn't.

But he is.

But we can replace him.

But you gotta stick with him, he's your closer.


But what if we found someone better?

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pinksheets wrote:
Gotta stick with Wilhelmsen, he's your closer.

What if we made him...not our closer?

Gotta stick with him, he's your closer.

Yeah but what if he wasn't.

But he is.

But we can replace him.

But you gotta stick with him, he's your closer.


But what if we found someone better?


But that guy's not your closer.

Tom Wilhelmsen is, you gotta stick with him.


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Gotta stick with Wilhelmsen, he's your closer.

What if we made him...not our closer?

Gotta stick with him, he's your closer.

Yeah but what if he wasn't.

But he is.

But we can replace him.

But you gotta stick with him, he's your closer.


He was so good to start the year........what happened to him? Oh wait......he plays for the M's, that answers it.

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My honest opinion is that with a team this bad, with a season all but lost, who gives a flying fffffffccckkkk(no u makes it ok, right?) about a closer? It's not a big deal. We can pitch whatever relievers we want to see some time. If Wilhelmsen isn't closing anything, just play guys you want to see in the big leagues. He can't control his pitches at all lately, move on, pitch Furbush for ffffffccckkkk's sake. Who cares? Get younger guys some experience and build a sample size you're happy with to make decisions on them. Let Wilhelmsen work out his problems in a non-game situation. He's young enough that he might be an asset worth holding onto if we can put something together with our prospects in a couple of years, but he's not so young that you need to force it.


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Gotta stick with Wilhelmsen, he's your closer.

What if we made him...not our closer?

Gotta stick with him, he's your closer.

Yeah but what if he wasn't.

But he is.

But we can replace him.

But you gotta stick with him, he's your closer.


But what if we found someone better?


But that guy's not your closer.

Tom Wilhelmsen is, you gotta stick with him.


What if we get another closer who is better, and have him change his name to Tom WIlhelmsen? Can we rebuild him? Do we have the money to do so?

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What if we get another closer who is better, and have him change his name to Tom WIlhelmsen? Can we rebuild him? Do we have the money to do so?

No, we only have the money to acquire television stations, not good baseball players.


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What if we get another closer who is better, and have him change his name to Tom WIlhelmsen? Can we rebuild him? Do we have the money to do so?

No, we only have the money to acquire television stations, not good baseball players.


Well, damn...

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yep I think the bartender needs to get 86'd. Just odd to see his control go to crap like that, I see a trip to the DL coming for him, something aint right with him.

Bonderman pitched a gem, Franklin is hitting and even Zunino got a hit its not all bad :D

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He was so good to start the year........what happened to him? Oh wait......he plays for the M's, that answers it.

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I think he needs to be removed from the role temporarily, not forever but tell him he's out for 2 weeks or a month or something and let him have some mop up time to work on his problems. I'm sure he can get his control back. I feel bad for the guy, in the interview after the game he just looked like he was in a daze and was devastated.

I also think the CDC needs to come to Seattle and check out the clubhouse in Safeco field because it looks like we have a new disease called suckusballitus that seems to be spreading and they need to contain it ASAP.

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I think he needs to be removed from the role temporarily, not forever but tell him he's out for 2 weeks or a month or something and let him have some mop up time to work on his problems. I'm sure he can get his control back. I feel bad for the guy, in the interview after the game he just looked like he was in a daze and was devastated.


I agree. Put Capps or Furbush in as closer, put the Bartender in relief. Cannot be worse.

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JOz56 wrote:
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Gotta stick with Wilhelmsen, he's your closer.

What if we made him...not our closer?

Gotta stick with him, he's your closer.

Yeah but what if he wasn't.

But he is.

But we can replace him.

But you gotta stick with him, he's your closer.


But what if we found someone better?


But that guy's not your closer.

Tom Wilhelmsen is, you gotta stick with him.

Ha ha. I can hear Wedgie's voice. But do you got to stick with your majority owner/team pres/team exec/manager/coach?

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And yet another beat down last night 9-2 or somethig like that.. wooohooo go Mariners.

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And yet another beat down last night 9-2 or somethig like that.. wooohooo go Mariners.


You're only seeing what you want to see. Mariners took 2 of 3 from one of the better teams in baseball.


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And yet another beat down last night 9-2 or somethig like that.. wooohooo go Mariners.


You're only seeing what you want to see. Mariners took 2 of 3 from one of the better teams in baseball.

True and I like it. Still, would've been nice to get their first series sweep of the year.

What I'm afraid of is that they'll climb tantalizingly close to .500 again and then go on another 7-8 game losing streak. In other words, like they almost always do, give us hope and then pull the rug out from under our feet. I sincerely hope not.

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I hate being right about Tom Wilhemsen, but damned if I didn't see us losing lots of games with him as the closer. Makes Brandon League look like Mariano Rivera.

I find myself wondering something.. Why the hell is Carter Capps not the closer? Now that kid has an arm on him.

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Wilhelmsen is nothing like League. Wilhelmsen has (had?) an ace-curveball. League just threw really hard.

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Wilhelmsen was amazing to start the year. Then came the Cleveland Indians game on May 20th, where the ump would not call a strike for him. This made Wilhelmsen have to throw the ball over the plate, which of course was hit, causing a run to be scored. Ever since that game, he has been shaky. He has confidence issues that need to be resolved.


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So can we DFA Harang and bring up Erasmo Ramirez now?

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Wilhelmsen is nothing like League. Wilhelmsen has (had?) an ace-curveball. League just threw really hard.


That curve is the ONLY thing Wilhelmsen has, but he can't throw it every damn pitch! Not many pitches are harder on the wrist, arm, and elbow.

League wasn't a bad closer. When he could find that split fingered fastball, he was unhittable. The heat was always on tap.

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Wilhelmsen is nothing like League. Wilhelmsen has (had?) an ace-curveball. League just threw really hard.


That curve is the ONLY thing Wilhelmsen has, but he can't throw it every damn pitch! Not many pitches are harder on the wrist, arm, and elbow.

League wasn't a bad closer. When he could find that split fingered fastball, he was unhittable. The heat was always on tap.


You mean besides the 98 MPH fastball. I think he will be fine. All pitchers go through this, he will get through it. We definitely shouldn't give up on him.


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Wilhelmsen is nothing like League. Wilhelmsen has (had?) an ace-curveball. League just threw really hard.


That curve is the ONLY thing Wilhelmsen has, but he can't throw it every damn pitch! Not many pitches are harder on the wrist, arm, and elbow.

League wasn't a bad closer. When he could find that split fingered fastball, he was unhittable. The heat was always on tap.


You mean besides the 98 MPH fastball. I think he will be fine. All pitchers go through this, he will get through it. We definitely shouldn't give up on him.


Wilhelmsen has the heat, but every hitter facing him knows exactly where he is going to place it.

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You mean besides the 98 MPH fastball. I think he will be fine. All pitchers go through this, he will get through it. We definitely shouldn't give up on him.


Yup. For whatever reason (and there could be myriads of them) the bartender has lost his mojo right now, but i have no reservations that it's not coming back. His stuff is just too good.

As far as Brandon League, well, mattingly has figured out what he's got there now too, hence League's removal from the closer role.


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His last few outings have been impressive, but his strikeout rate hasn't been. Not sure if he can keep this up without striking people out.


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