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I also am not sold on Beaven or the current #2. I like the potential of the new bats. We will see I guess.

As for the bats tonight, I never fail to marvel at the fact that everyone discounts the A's starter. King Felix was our opening night starter for a reason; he's our best pitcher. Anderson is the A's current best starter, and he was no slouch at all. Tonight's batting results were much more about Anderson being a pretty damned good pitcher than it was about our bats being no good.


Beaven, Furbush and the #2 Iwakuma. Pretty much suck. (OR- I didn't risk spelling his name)


It will go Felix, Iwakuma, Saunders, Maurer, Beaven... Iwakuma is a strange case. Performed well as a starter, posting a sub 4 ERA after being a disaster as a reliever (not the usual progression). As with much of the team, alot has to go well with the starters for the team to compete. But the pen is solid, and unique. If 2-5 can take the game into the 7th for most of their starts the team will be competitive.

Beaven is going to give way to which ever one of the big three come up first. He did make some adjustments to his approach and had a decent Spring keeping the ball down. But the fences are in at Safeco now, if he tried to use the expansive outfield to get outs he's going to struggle


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I also am not sold on Beaven or the current #2. I like the potential of the new bats. We will see I guess.

That's a good thing then, since he's not the #2, Iwakuma is. Beavan is currently the #5.

As for the bats tonight, I never fail to marvel at the fact that everyone discounts the A's starter. King Felix was our opening night starter for a reason; he's our best pitcher. Anderson is the A's current best starter, and he was no slouch at all. Tonight's batting results were much more about Anderson being a pretty damned good pitcher than it was about our bats being no good.


Beaven, Furbush and the #2 Iwakuma. Pretty much suck. (OR- I didn't risk spelling his name)

Ya, I'm not saying you are wrong with the last comment, just clarifying the first one. Tho Furbush is a reliever. At least he was last night. While I don't know how good or bad they'll be, I actually like Iwakuma and Beavan, tho the latter has an uncanny ability to Vargus up a good start too much (give up a big inning).

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I also am not sold on Beaven or the current #2. I like the potential of the new bats. We will see I guess.

That's a good thing then, since he's not the #2, Iwakuma is. Beavan is currently the #5.

As for the bats tonight, I never fail to marvel at the fact that everyone discounts the A's starter. King Felix was our opening night starter for a reason; he's our best pitcher. Anderson is the A's current best starter, and he was no slouch at all. Tonight's batting results were much more about Anderson being a pretty damned good pitcher than it was about our bats being no good.

I was gonna say it if you didn't. This was their #1 vs our #1.

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apparently you're not allowed to have negative comments about the mariners in this particular thread, so i say this.. i hope they can continue with the wins... recent history has shown they start out hot and fade fast.. let's hope that's a trend that ended last season. i'll give their bats a pass in this game, Anderson is one hell of a pitcher and always does well against us...


That's my biggest fear, and the reason why it's hard for me to jump on the M's bandwagon with both feet. Show me you've turned things around and start winning for reals, and I'll mostly forgive you for all the posturing and stampy feet over the Sonics arena.

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Iwakuma is having a great game. Morse! Bamm!

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Go mariners. 5-1 in 7th looks goos so far

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God, Oakland fans are annoying. Constantly tooting horns and yelling "Let's go Oak-land!"


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Good old Dave Sims... "Here comes Oliver Pear-ez"


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We have some serious power this year. It's nice to see our better hitters from last year moved to the back or middle of the order to make room for Moris, Morales, and others. Moris is killing it tonight!

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They do always start off well, don't they?


It might seem like it, but here are the records for the first 10 games of the last 5 seasons:

2012: 5-5 (finished 75-87)
2011: 3-7 (finished 67-95)
2010: 4-6 (finished 61-101)
2009: 7-3 (finished 85-77)
2008: 4-6 (finished 61-101)

With the exception of 2009 (the only winning season), the records are certainly nothing to write home about.

And just for kicks, here are the records for the first 2 games:

2012: 1-1
2011: 2-0
2010: 1-1
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God, Oakland fans are annoying. Constantly tooting horns and yelling "Let's go Oak-land!"



yeah, it really sucks that they try their best to support their club. Damn them!! :thirishdrinkers: :shock:


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I was curious getting to see them all over the central valley here in Arizona during spring training if any of their success down here would transfer into the regular season.

Granted, it is only two games against one team but some of the things look decent already. It will be interesting to see what might continue over as more time passes by.


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I was a little surprised about all the hitting last night. The first week or so of the season is usually not the time to gauge one's hitting as everyone is usually lining up against the other team's top pitchers.


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looking good so far... morse is a monster..

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UNDEFEATED !!! :thirishdrinkers:

They seem to be much more patient at the plate........so far

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I'll be negative about the Mariners right now:

Get rid of Smoak, he's not going to pan out, cut your losses


He gets a month, maybe two.

He does have 4 walks in two games, plus a couple hits. not a bad start.

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Good old Dave Sims... "Here comes Oliver Pear-ez"


Gotta love Sims! I still remember the first time he really got into the King's Court night. Sims: "And the fans are chanting K-K-K". There was a pause, then laughter from the whole announcers box. The guy makes it fun to listen to!

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Very Nice. I have seen a lot of As games in the past at the coliseum and it was excellent for baseball ( much of the time no ones goes and you can sit almost anywhere ) TV and a ball .... Maybe buy some lottery tickets !


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Morse is at it again as well as Guit witha leadoff HR.

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If Saunders is the M's replacement for Jason Vargus . . . Color me unimpressed


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Yeah, I'm a bit worried about him. Hopefully he'll settle in.


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Back-to-back home runs off Loe.

Ugh, I'm not liking this game. This reminds me of last year.


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Can't expect to win or look good every game. I find that baseball is too exhausting to follow with the game by game intensity we all follow football. There's just too many games to get too upset over any one.

I'm just really happy to see Gutierrez show some power.


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The Mariners are moving to Sacramento!

You guys got your River Cats or whatever. Be happy, that's all you're getting!


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Maybe the A's will move to Sacramento. They have only had like 15k attendance on their 2nd and 3rd games.


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Maybe the A's will move to Sacramento. They have only had like 15k attendance on their 2nd and 3rd games.

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@pinksheets - wow, I had no idea there was ever any actual discussion of that move, lol.


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If Saunders is the M's replacement for Jason Vargus . . . Color me unimpressed


Exactly what I was talking about. Joe had 11.75 era in this preseason? Why did they trot this bum out?

They supposedly have have great pitching and this is .......baffling.

Morse has three homers already? Awesome.

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If Saunders is the M's replacement for Jason Vargus . . . Color me unimpressed


Exactly what I was talking about. Joe had 11.75 era in this preseason? Why did they trot this bum out?

They supposedly have have great pitching and this is .......baffling.

Morse has three homers already? Awesome.


CC Sabathia has a 7.2 ERA after one game, does he suck? Baseball is all about sample size. You can't judge anyone off of one game. Take a look at Saunder's 2012-2011 numbers, he and Vargas are very nearly the same player. And that's based upon 382 innings of work, not four.

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Saunders (P) came out rusty - which is just like his predecessor, Jason-whoopsbiginning-Vargas.. I'll take 2 out of 3 every series, hell yes I will. And against a division rival who was quite strong last year.

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Saunders (P) came out rusty - which is just like his predecessor, Jason-whoopsbiginning-Vargas.. I'll take 2 out of 3 every series, hell yes I will. And against a division rival who was quite strong last year.


Our hit totals are a little scary being 5-9-5 so far, but yes we took 2/3 from the division champs in their ballpark. Its nice to see some pop in our bats for once also!

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Let's just see what Maurer does today--very excited for this kid! I can see him leaping Saunders to be the 3rd arm in the rotation in no time.

*edit--Crap, looks like it might be a rainout. That sucks.

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The game starts at 12:35pm today.


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Let's just see what Maurer does today--very excited for this kid! I can see him leaping Saunders to be the 3rd arm in the rotation in no time.


I am onboard! :th2thumbs:

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Morse AGAIN !!!

I was thinking this was a bit of a ho hum signing, but man this guy is a stud !

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Remember when everybody freaked out about us trading a backup catcher to get that guy?


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I think Mike Morse is going to be fun to watch this year! If he keeps this up, I have no problem with him sharing the nickname of "Beast mode."


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How "beast mode" could a baseball player be? Maybe we can call him baby beast mode. But hitting 4 times a game and standing around the outfield doesn't constitute sharing a nickname with a guy who runs into, through and over 250-300 lb men 25-30 times a game.


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Beast mode has been Mike Morse's nickname for a while now.


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Maybe the A's will move to Sacramento. They have only had like 15k attendance on their 2nd and 3rd games.

Oaklands attendance on a weeknight isn't any worse than the mariners... And the athletics have been one of the few franchises over the last decade that have been as futile as the mariners. It'll pick up if the wins keep coming.


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It would not be out of the question to suggest "here we go again".... the hitting has been sparse after.a torrid spring and the back end of the rotation struggled. But let's remember... baseball is 162 games and there will be many stretches we go 2-2 on the road and are happy with it. And the As are a good club

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It would not be out of the question to suggest "here we go again".... the hitting has been sparse after.a torrid spring and the back end of the rotation struggled. But let's remember... baseball is 162 games and there will be many stretches we go 2-2 on the road and are happy with it. And the As are a good club

Still.... aside from Morse the plate appearances have been less than encouraging. Hopefully a change in location will inspire


.500 ball against the A's is A-OK. Now let's get the White Sox monkey off of our backs.

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