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 Post subject: Re: Let's Talk Mariners
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Okay, I'm going to stop trying to preach the whole "small sample size" thing, because its obviously not catching. I get that. I'm actually not opposed to the idea of sending our top prospects back down, either. I doubt it will happen, unfortunately, because the only people behind them are less major league-ready prospects. Let the record show that I think all judgments are premature, that the mariners will be slightly better this year than last, that they'll miss the playoffs, and that someday in the distant future the mariners will actually be good again.

But how about the homers? We've hit a lot of them so far. That's got to be worth something right?


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ohmergerdz it's the same as every year! They're doomed already!

The M's still made smart offseason acquisitions, still look poised to be better than last year, and still have a lot of exciting young talent. I'm not worried.

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Good thing we traded a very good pitcher for Montero. Am I the only one starting to thing our front office overrated what they had in the minors pitching wise?


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I don't know why Mauer stsyed on. He plsyed well in spting training but I think hr is due for assignment.


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Good thing we traded a very good pitcher for Montero. Am I the only one starting to thing our front office overrated what they had in the minors pitching wise?


Yes. You are cmplaining about getting a young bat for a pitcher that would have never returned. You are also complaining about a rookie pitcher that was not in what many consider to be "the big three."

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Good thing we traded a very good pitcher for Montero. Am I the only one starting to thing our front office overrated what they had in the minors pitching wise?


Yes. You are cmplaining about getting a young bat for a pitcher that would have never returned. You are also complaining about a rookie pitcher that was not in what many consider to be "the big three."


And Pineda has been injured and invisible for the Yankees.


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Good thing we traded a very good pitcher for Montero. Am I the only one starting to thing our front office overrated what they had in the minors pitching wise?



Well tbf Pineda hasnt done anything for the Yankees.

As for our pitching talent in the minors... they're still in the minors (aside from Maurer and Pryor) and doing very well. There are 3-4 excellent prospects down there.

So i dont think the FO overrated our prospects. I think perhaps our manager overrated Maurer (or underrated one of the vets he tried out).

If we're giving small sample sizes to our hitters we must give it to our pitchers as well

In regards to the homeruns, yes there has been a massive uptick. Alarmingly it has come from the free agents. This is both good and bad. The FO seems to have identified the right bats to bring in to help the younger players. but the younger players havent responded. Again, we're 9 games in. But i think we'd all prefer to see alot different from Ackley (who does have a hit in two consecutive games now, so theres that), Montero, Smoak and Seeger


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good news is we scored 9 runs, bad news is we gave up 16... :shock: it happens , every team has one game like this every year...

now i'm not going to come down on young Mauer, but he needs to get over these nerve issues and get some confidence, he was actually making some good pitches towards the end, i think he just got pissed and said F it... but he needs a strong outing to get his confidence back, hopefully that will happen soon..

Ackley, needs to be sent down and figure it out, smoak is a bust, i'm calling it now... Ryan, does it get to the point where stellar defense does not out way zero production at the plate? i'd settle for a mediocre shortstop with a solid bat..

positive notes, Morales, Saunders, Guti, Morse, Ibanez, Seigler all solid players

early season prediction.. where i think we'll be better than last year record wise, we're still 2 or 3 players away from fielding a winning club, we're getting zero production from our middle infielders, montero is still a question mark at this point, and our starting rotation falls off dramatically after the first two.... going to be a long season boy's...

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hawker84, Ryan is doing fairly well so far this year. He has a .273 average. Hope he can keep it up, because that would be a huge improvement over last year.


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hawker84, Ryan is doing fairly well so far this year. He has a .273 average. Hope he can keep it up, because that would be a huge improvement over last year.


Key phrase, i hope so as well....

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And already down 3-0 to the Astros again..........smh.

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Yeah, it really just appears to be the same issues as the last several years, except now the pitching isn't nearly as good after 1 and 2. Hitting is terrible, and now it seems defense is a problem.

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Same old Mariners. Getting beat at home to the Astros says it all.


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the very definition of insanity.. putting the same product on the field, expecting different results year after year after year....

IT'S THE ATROS FOR PETE'S SAKE!!!!!!!!!

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the very definition of insanity.. putting the same product on the field, expecting different results year after year after year....

IT'S THE ATROS FOR PETE'S SAKE!!!!!!!!!



Its obviously safeco field, can't blame the Pres, GM or team. :sarcasm_off:


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Starting pitching goes from our strength in 2011 to our weakness now. Couldn't hit a home run to save the world that year, now that's all we have--old slow guys that can bash the ball and young kids who cannot hit anything.

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Here we are not half way through April and there are already Ms fans saying "Wait till next year."

I've heard that so long I tend to ignore them completely. As much as I dislike LymonHawks team at least they go to the playoffs now and then.

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I stopped following the M's after I realized they don't care about building a team that will contend. Baseball season in the PNW has become a months long joke with no punch line. It's just not worth my time or energy to support them at this point. REAL changes need to be made, from the top to the bottom. Until that happens, all my M's hats will remain hanging on the wall.

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The Ms obviously have many problems. The "new normal" attendances in the 10k level reflects the unhappiness. Granted Houston is not a team I would pay to see, but it was the opening series.

What I see as a bigger problem is management does not seem to get it. Some examples and a bit of a rant:

Fans pay to see Home Runs or a lot of hits. Pitchers duels are boring except to a purist. In the draft much of the capital was in getting pitching which is high risk .

I question our scouting and coaching. We miss a lot in the draft , on trades and then trade players that go on to do well elsewhere. The "big 3 " position players look worse than when they came up. Who is screwing these guys up..? I see it as the coaches job to help the players improve and not regress. If they don't listen send them down or move them

They need some of the PC competition. When I see players coming into spring training fat, lacking muscle, I question it. Someone needs to light a fire under some posteriors. Can't hit or field? Next! ...

It is common to hear in baseball that its not the same as football... It takes more time. I disagree when the players also played in college. During one of Tony LaRussa 's animal events years ago, I asked him about player expectation out of the draft (when would he expect a player to be ready) he told me college players 1-2 years and out of High School 5 years. He said if they didn't make it to the majors and produce by then they probably never would.


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Mariners acquire Aaron Harang from the Rockies for an unspecified minor league prospect...
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/91608 ... ies-source

Interesting, but who did we give up? I'm worried.


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Lost 2 of 3 to the Astros...........let that sink in Ms fans..........2 out of 3 at home to the FRAKIN' ASTROS!!!!!!! Jesus.


I'm not at all a fan of Mahler, but he's been saying (when I'm up there and hear him) for the last several years that Armstrong is the constant in all this losing and that he must go. I think he's correct cuz the people he's hired to run this orginization have failed consistently for far too long now.

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Looks like the M's traded Steven Hensley for Aaron Harang. Not a bad deal.


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Mariners acquire Aaron Harang from the Rockies for an unspecified minor league prospect...
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/91608 ... ies-source

Interesting, but who did we give up? I'm worried.



Not a bad get at all. Harang can be okay.


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Hopefully he doesn't Harang a curve ball.....

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Well the wife and I watched about 80 games last year, and we had the team down to an acronym:

Me: you want to watch some SMB?

Her: is there nothing else on?



The M and B are easy to figure out. The S doesn't stand for sucky...

Looks like another year of SMB to me!

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Well the wife and I watched about 80 games last year, and we had the team down to an acronym:

Me: you want to watch some SMB?

Her: is there nothing else on?



The M and B are easy to figure out. The S doesn't stand for sucky...

Looks like another year of SMB to me!




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Son of a...

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/mariners/ ... -continue/

Mike Morse has a fractured finger....


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this team is gutless, full of wussies...they can't hit, can't field (see ibanez error), pitching stinks...and when morse gets hit not once but twice in an at-bat, what's the response? Nothing...pathetic...


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At least they're clutch at the plate


yeah..and all the whiffs at the plate should give the 8 fans at the stadium a cool breeze during the hot summer month...


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Looks like I might have been way too generous on predicting 84 wins, DOH! Yes its a small sample size but I can see this season snowballing the wrong way real fast. The core of this team Montero, Smoak, Ackley are the epitone of suck right now. I think the above core that I mentioned needs a wake up call, I wouldnt hesitate to send Ackley and Montero down, and bring Zanino and screw his FA clock. The worst thing for this team is that they are boring yet again, and outside of opening day and when Felix pitched they cant dray flys to attend the game.

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You know what was the biggest mistake they ever did?

Giving Felix that big contract extension.


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You know what was the biggest mistake they ever did?

Giving Felix that big contract extension.

Wow it took you all of 2 bad starts to come up with this conclusion?

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but the worst of it all is i really want to root for these guys...if they could just give me something..anything..i'd jump on..but they give me absolutely nothing to grab a hold of...maybe felix every fifth day but man...its tough being a native here sometimes...


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this team is gutless, full of wussies...they can't hit, can't field (see ibanez error), pitching stinks...and when morse gets hit not once but twice in an at-bat, what's the response? Nothing...pathetic...



The pitch that broke the finger was inside but since he swung at it I was willing to give the pitcher the benefit of doubt that he probably wasn't trying to hit him. Until he went right back with the up and in crap and plunked him in the same at bat.

I have a feeling morse may have been more upset at the pitcher if his hand wasn't hurting.

Texas wanted to play the role of the bully and pick on and intimidate the weaker team, and it worked.

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So are we talking world series yet?.........................................

Oops guess not, didn't even make it out of the second week in April this year.

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Just don't fall too far below .500 and hope will remain (no more than 7+ games under). For now, I will continue to browse box scores. They get on a streak, I'll start to watch again. They fall deeper into a slide, I will cut off anything M's related the remainder of the year.

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You know what was the biggest mistake they ever did?

Giving Felix that big contract extension.


Umm.. why?


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A lot of whining over a 5-7 start. Probably going to be a lot of 5 win stretches over 12 games this season. It hasn't been a great start (although Morse, Morales and Iwakuma have had strong beginnings)... but its early folks. Let's give it a month. Bad pitching and poor hitting by a lot of people. If its mid may and no improvemenstart the "next year" posts


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Well last year it was just poor hitting, the pitching was the strength, now other then Felix it appears there is a few holes there also. Typically early on pitching is ahead of the hitters till things begin to warm up.

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Well last year it was just poor hitting, the pitching was the strength, now other then Felix it appears there is a few holes there also. Typically early on pitching is ahead of the hitters till things begin to warm up.




Huh? Iwakuma has pitched very well so far.

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In case anyone was wondering what happened to him, Kawasaki got called up from the Blue Jays AAA team when Reyes went down. He had an RBI in his first plate appearance.

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Mauer's last start was pretty solid as well. We are ahead of the "dream team" angels so far :D

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You know what was the biggest mistake they ever did?

Giving Felix that big contract extension.


By far some of the dumber opinions I've heard. What are you going to do... not pay a perennial cy-young contender who's only 27 and by all means took a hometown pay cut?

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Harang is looking pretty damn goo in his first start. Especially good considering it is against the offensive juggernaut that is the Detroit Tigers.

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And, immediately after hitting submit, Harang allows a 2-run bomb to Cabrerra.

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Well you did say that he was looking goo, so perhaps no need to edit?


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